Tea Partiers To Republicans: You Better Call For Full Repeal of Reform, Or Else
It’s now becoming clear that this could be a major issue for Republicans in 2010: the Tea Party movement, as well as high-profile conservatives, are going to demand that candidates call for a full repeal of the Dem healthcare reform bill, presuming it passes.
Multiple figures on the right are beginning to make this demand explicit.
In an interview with me just now, Max Pappas, the Vice President for Public Policy of Dick Armey’s FreedomWorks, said that if the bill passes, politicians should call for a full repeal.
“This has an unusual ability to be repealed, and the public is on that side.” he said. “The Republicans are going to have to prove that they are worthy of their votes.”
He emphasized that all the different parts of the bill fit together, and that Congress would need to try to repeal the whole thing.
This could put GOP candidates in a bind. We first reported that the Dem game plan in 2010 is to put politicians on the spot on this question, but Mitch McConnell this Sunday declined to go that far when Jake Tapper asked him if Republican candidates would call for full repeal. “There’s no question that this bill, if it were to become law, and frankly even if it doesn’t become law, will be a big, if not central issue not only in the 2010 election, but in the 2012 election,” he said.
That’s not good enough for right wing activists. Erick Erickson of redstate.org criticized McConnell for dodging the question. “Politicians should actually say ‘yes’ when they mean ‘yes’ and ‘no’ when they mean ‘no,’ instead of dancing around the issue,” he wrote.
Newt Gingrich threw down the same gauntlet on “Meet the Press” yesterday when he said, “I suspect that every Republican in 2010 and 2012 will run on an absolute pledge to repeal this bill.”
By insisting on ideological purity and making a bet that the bill will be universally unpopular, conservatives are leaving Republican candidates with no room for flexibility.
This one isn’t going away.
Jeff, your remarks about “socialist friends and the National debt” are not only inane but totally ingenuious if you are a conservative. “We the People” no longer live in a Democracy…we are in a Fascist businsess state, where corporations are running the government through their lobbyists. Corporations now have the power, not “We the People”. The Corporate Lobbyists now write the bills and ply the politicians with enough greenbacks to keep them in THEIR pocket. Sometimes, I am mesmerized by the sheer stupidity of the population of this country. We know that we need to fix healthcare because it WILL eventually bankrupt this country, but we let a bunch of folks called Teabaggers lead our charge? I live around a whole boatload of these people…they are not for this country…they are nothing but soreheaded loser Republicans who can’t stand the fact that they lost the Presidency last time out. They are selfish, mean-spirited and if they were sincere about all this National Debt outrage and spending, where in the hell have they been for the last 8 years while BushCo Inc and a Republican Congress ran our spending into the ditch? George W. walked into office in January 2000 with a SURPLUS and a decent economy. Obama inherited nothing but trash from day one. I am not crazy about the National Debt, but since I have been voting for the last 40 years +/-, we have had more of them than not and this country is still standing. The Government IS NOT a business…it is a service built on our taxes. Yes, we could do things more prudently but running it like a corporation and “starving” funding for our own needs INSIDE our own country is lunacy. You will never get a dime back from the Feds because we are now spending 50%+ of our National BUdget on war and talk of war. If you buy the idea that “smaller government” is the fix, you are delusional.
Cigi
You started out sounding half way smart and half way correct until we read on and see through your rhetoric and name calling. By doing so in my humble opinion you eliminate any credibility. Not a single person in this nation does not want health care reform. But health care reform is not the same thing as what Obama and his socialist friends are doing. They are embarking on a health care takeover which equates to 1/6 of the nations economy based on a false crises. 30 million Americans not having health insurance is not a crisis, and anyone that cannot afford it can go to any free clinic that is out there in just about every county of this nation, or into an emergency room. I do buy the idea that smaller government and spending is the fix and just because you call me delusional does not make it a fact. It just makes you a person that when discussing a topic where you are attempting to defend the indefensable you must result to insults and name calling to make your point. It takes away all your credibilty. By the way health care is not a right, oh you have the right to buy it, but it’s not the governments job to guarantee it and provide it for you on the tax payers dime.
How will the mouth-breathers explain this away…
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/majority_of_tea_party_groups_spending_went_to_gop.php?ref=fpb
“The political action committee behind the Tea Party Express (TPE) — which already has been slammed as inauthentic and corporate-controlled by rival factions in the Tea Party movement — directed around two thirds of its spending during a recent reporting period back to the Republican consulting firm that created the PAC in the first place.”
How do you spell tea partiers? L E M M I N G S.
Forget making the filibuster harder to do, make it easier to force the majority to act in good faith. Offering a 400 page amendment to a 2000 page bill and not allowing any debate or amendments to it, is corrupt and un-American. The founders had it right, the Dems are making a mockery out of a great system. The Dems will pay dearly whether the worst bill ever written get passed or not.
This stuff is all planned out. BIG Corporations, BIG Media, and the BIG Government all get in lock step behind closed doors. Then they play out the script, and we react.
Government is like pro wrestling. Fight in the ring, then go eat lunch and have a beer together. “yeah that was great, they actually believed we were REALLY arguing”.
At least it seems that way most of the time.
Good guys and bad guys all eat from the same chow wagon off the set…
For all of you knuckleheads that keep spouting the Dems line “The GOP wants to do nothing”, don’t be so stupid. Tort reform, insurance across state line, tax credits for the poor and drug importation, is what the GOP’s bills and amendment are touting. Much cheaper for the working people, premiums and drug costs go down, not up like this monster of a mess. So if you chose to stay uninformed, stop towing the lines of the corrupt Dems that jammed this thru. Ask yourself, if this bill was a good one, why would it pass the house by 3 votes, and take bribes and payoffs to get the bare minimum in the Senate. And if it was worth the paper it was printed on, why would they need midnight votes, closed door bribery sessions and blocks on debate and amendments? Common sense wins out on this one, terrible bill, which will be repealed.
Jeff,
You might consider getting a new playbook. Yours seems to be vintage 1952 McCarthyist era tripe. Can’t you think of something better than the mindless, meaningless, more than trite “socialist” that you on the right so carelessly hurl about?
What’s next? Commie? Pinko? Better dead than red?
By their nature and by definition, teabaggers are all morons. You have confirmed that axiom.
All of these points are already moot. We, the people, are already bankrupt! Why, oh, why do you think that the banks aren’t lending, even though the Pres. says that they should be doing just that? Because, they aren’t stupid and they know the end is near. And, because they are being told in private that they must not lend a dime, because the Gov has to recall all of the ‘play’ money the Fed has already printed, so it can be shreaded. They [Fed and others in Gov.] think they are still in control of it all. They are NOT. Get youself completely out of debt, right NOW! Just as the bankers are doing. Not only will this ‘double-dip’, it is going to make it “The Greatest Depression”. The “rich” only have so much money, and it is not nearly enough to buy all of the poor those things they want, but are unwilling to earn for themselves. If the bankers are “the rich” and they make their money by charging interest on the money they loan out, why aren’t they loaning it out? Because the end is near, and they know it. The National Socialists think they will just ‘restart’ it, a ‘make-over’, but they don’t really understand how the ’system’ works, they only think they do.What we, the people, ALREADY owe CANNOT ever be paid in full!
http://www.usdebtclock.org/#
Congress will not need to convince Zero to help repeal this fascist bill. If he’s still president in Nov. 2010 and not in prison he’ll just need to sign whatever spending bill the republican majority decides to give him. The legislation is nigh on useless without the money.
BTW – reapeal this bill?? Sorry you worthless marxists. We intend to repeal everything passed in 1913 as well. http://repeal1913.us/
Deception, Lies, Back room closed door meetings, bribes, intimidation, and total contempt for the majority of Americans. Total disregard for our elderly, and our children. You bet this bill will be repealed if it passes in any form.
Gasman, you’re not a socialist, you are a Nazi:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi
Nazism, known officially in German as National Socialism[1][2][3][4] (German: Nationalsozialismus), is the totalitarian ideology and practices of the Nazi Party or National Socialist German Workers’ Party under Adolf Hitler, and the policies adopted by the dictatorial government of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945.[5][6][7][8]
In response to the instability created by the Great Depression, the Nazis sought a Third Way managed economy that was neither capitalism nor communism.[14][15]
The term Nazism refers to the ideology of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party and its worldview which permeated German society (and to some degree European and American society) during the party’s years as the German government (1933 to 1945). Free elections in 1932 under Germany’s Weimar Republic made the NSDAP the largest parliamentary faction; no similar party in any country at that time had achieved comparable electoral success. Hitler’s January 30, 1933 appointment as Chancellor of Germany and his subsequent consolidation of dictatorial power marked the beginning of Nazi Germany. During its first year in power, the NSDAP announced the Tausendjähriges Reich (“Thousand Years’ Empire”) or Drittes Reich (“Third Reich”), a putative successor to the Holy Roman Empire and the German Empire).
Nazi rule effectively ended on May 7, 1945, V-E Day, when the Nazis unconditionally surrendered to the Allied Powers, who took over Germany’s administration until Germany could form its own democratic government.
Nazi-ism was defeted once before, by we, the people, and we can do it again, if we, the people, chose to take back OUR government,from the special interests, like SEIU, AFLCIO, government employee unions, as well as the lawyers and the lobbyists from big corporations. We, the people, pay the bills and WE should decide what to do with our money, and not let these politicians ignor our will.
This President is digging a hole deep enough to bury all of his liberal supporters. Its already happening. Every week you hear about two or three more liberals that are bailing out. No need to argue about 2010, its already happening. All of the so called blue dogs will be history.
Excellent Tea Party article! I loved it and think it’s time we put the pressure on the republicans to wake up and state what they stand for. If they don’t stand for fiscal conservative values and they don’t want to be Defenders of the Constitution and our founding fathers original intentions of limited government then we need to know. If Republicans won’t be the party of True Conservatives then we will form a 3rd Party “The Tea Party” to be representatives of “We The People”
Hey Gasman, you really are full of hot air aren’t you? I bet you’ve heard that one before. What you don’t get is that “Teabaggers”, as you called them, care about their country, not any specific party you twit. Someone like you wouldn’t understand that….
GaHd,
In fine teabagger style you trot out the “Nazi” moniker. Pray tell, in what way have I professed anything that qualifies as being a Nazi? I guess that you failed to actually read the definition which you posted. You also left out ACORN from your imbecilic rant. I’m sure that was an oversight. Come on, let fly “Marxist,” “Maoist,” Stalist,” and any other inappropriate nouns and adjectives that your febrile brain can conjure up.
Teabaggers are still morons.
Wow, you people are something else. I hope that when Nov. rolls around, you’re not looking around wondering what happened.
I have absolutely had it with teabaggers and their ilk appropriating holocaust language and imagery to further their hateful agenda. I’m Jewish. You make me sick. BTW, numbskulls, you can’t be both a communist/Marxist and a facist – they’re at opposite ends of the philosphical spectrum. Get a soul. Leave the “Nazi” rhetoric alone. Any and all who use it in this context disgusts me.
Well, the Dems are trying to push this bill thru with a little publicized clause that states it can not be repealed by Congress in the future. As it is this bill is UNCONSTITUTIONAL plus I am hoping there is enough differences that the House and the Senate will not be able to reconcile it. That is my prayer. Our government is becoming TYRANNICAL and the founding fathers knew it could happen and provided the American citizen and way out – we need to use it!!!
I wonder if the “or else” challenge will stir up some heroic action in some true republicans to yank off the yolk of the conservative mantle strapped on them by the misguided extremists of the theologically challenged religionist tea party?
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If the GOP plays its cards right, you could see one of those most dramatic shifts in electoral history.
I don’t know what the Dems are thinking by ramming through an unpopular law, but it’s cutting off their head to spite their body.
LOL. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a big supporter of the current health care bill, only because I think it tries to appease the right too much, but I think the GOP should call their bluff see how strong this so called teaparty movment actually is, and ask all those elederly tea partiers if they want to go back to the GOP donut hole that this bill will fix…
Gasbag, obviously you failed to read the part about “totalitarian ideology” and “managed economy”.
And I quote:
“If Reid and the Dems have the backbone to get rid of the filibuster, the irritants that are Liebermann, the Blue Dogs, and the 40 buffoons in the GOP are all suddenly rendered impotent.”
‘Removing’ any and all Constitutional, legal or political opposition. Sounds just like “totalitarian ideology” to me.
You don’t you agree with me? Read the following, for the first time, then:
Free elections in 1932 under Germany’s Weimar Republic made the NSDAP the largest parliamentary faction; no similar party in any country at that time had achieved comparable electoral success. Hitler’s January 30, 1933 appointment as Chancellor of Germany and his subsequent consolidation of dictatorial power marked the beginning of Nazi Germany.
Those politicians, ‘Republican’ or ‘Democrat’ who think they can continue to buy votes with MY tax dollars are mistaken. It is Taxation without representation and at some point, perhaps in the very near future, I and others will refuse to pay any more. And if/when ‘they’ come to place me or my neighbors under arrest, they will be fired upon, just as my ancestors did in 1775.
Sic Semper Tyrannis.
The entire bill is unconstitutional. This is a rare teachable moment for the nation to set the Constitution in it’s proper light. NEITHER side wants the Constitution to win, because that would strip them of much of their power. This is what the hesitation to call this bill what it is, is all about. Power: both sides want to retain it.
sickofteabags,
So, because you are Jewish, you can sit in judgment of how others use historical facts and/or language?
The very FIRST Amendment to the Constitution of the United States guaranties me, as a legal citizen, the right to free speech, and yours, as well. IF you don’t like that idea, then move and go live somewhere else. You are actually free to do that, in THIS country. Too many in 1930’s Germany were silenced by fear. Fear of their own government. Fear to speak out against government oppression. Then, the unspeakable happened. My uncle fought in and was in Germany at the end of WWII. My father would have, too, but was only 15 when the war ended. He served 24 years in the US Navy and served in Viet Nam.
In actual practice there is no such thing as communism or Marxism, ONLY fascism – and in Nazi [fascist] Germany there was no free speech, either, or have you chosen to ignore this fact… My Scottish ancestors fought against the oppression of English kings, from before 1066 until 1783. My ancestors have fought in every American war since the Revolution. My ancestors have lived in the Commonwealth of Virginia for over three hundred years.
I have every right to speak up and to speak out. I am willing to fight for and die for my country and for the principals of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights.
I am also willing to kill.
Are you?
Third party will hurt GOP. Prefer to wipe out Democrats – permanently. Here’s a plan:
1. Back off and let those men who want to marry men, marry men.
2. Allow those women who want to marry women, marry women.
3. Allow those folks who want to abort their babies, abort their babies.
4. In three generations, there will be NO Democrats.
A Couple of weeks ago, something happened that has only happened 4 times in the history of this country..The interest rate on Treasury bonds went to 0 (zero)%. That is like putting your money in the middle of the mattress-you’re making nothing but you still have it and the uber rich are putting their money into T-bonds. Do you think that maybe…just maybe…they see something coming down the road?
William,
You are exactly right, and the only way forward is term limits AND A BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT TO THE US CONSTITUTION. The Commonwealth of Virginia has them and a balanced budget amendment to the state constitution, as well. The Governor, Lieutenant Governor and Attorney General must all run on separate tickets. Each can be elected as often as the people wish, but they may not serve consecutive terms. And although our current governor is Chairman of the DNC, a fiscal Conservative Republican won by a large majority and receiving the highest percentage of the vote for any candidate for governor since 1961.
I would also point out to all, that the Commonwealth of Virginia has provided more US presidents than any other state, to date. Furthermore, the Commonwealth of Virginia was the first in the US to elect an African-American as Governor. I have nothing against the President, based on his race or religion, but his ‘Chicago’ style of vote-buying politics will be ‘repealed’, by force if necessary. How strange that the unions want ‘government mandated health-care reform’, yet don’t want to PAY MORE TAXES!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Wilder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_McDonnell
Buck,
Interesting ideas!
Debra,
Truly, very scary, huh? I now have only a mortgage, no other debt, as of the 1st of the year. I think I can pay it off in the next 5 or 6 years, but I really don’t think “we” will have/get that much time.
Yonkers, New York
29 December 2009
The Democratic health-care reform bills, referring to the House and Senate versions here, are not out of the woods yet.
These two versions would still have to be “reconciled” by a committee composed of members of both the Senate and the House. There will be Republicans as well as Democrats in that reconciliation committee.
Nobody really knows how the reconciled and final version will come out. This is the version that will be sent to President Obama for his signature. If he signs it, as is expected, the bill becomes law.
There is no certain way of telling now whether or not the Republicans in both the House and the Senate will go for complete repeal of the law on health-care reform.
If on balance the benefits far outweigh the negatives of the law, the Republicans run a very real political risk if they go for complete repeal. If on the other hand the negatives outweigh the benefits, then the Republicans may decide to go for complete repeal of the law.
It is very likely that Democratic legislators will limit themselves to finding out how precisely the health-care reform law will work as intended. There are bound to be certain “imperfections” as the law’s impact starts to be experienced by all concerned. The Democrats will then do what needs to be done to correct those perceived imperfections.
Mariano Patalinjug
This whole thing needs to be worked at the state level – period. Under the 10th Amendment the states have the right to “nullify” the health care bill or any other unconstitutional bill for that matter. Fighting Washington via states sovereignty rights under the 10th is really gaining momentum. States rights is the key to victory. Take it to the bank! They already stopped the “Read ID Act” and they can do it again. Congress dropped the idea when the states began to stand up against it.
Visit http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com for more info.
GaHD: You’re exactly right, the First Amendment is a wonderful thing. I know that because being Jewish does not preclude my being an American citizen (and an attorney, btw). The same right to free speech that allows you to say what you like allows others to react, as I have. It also allows me to call you a jackass. I’m proud that my grandfather, who fought in WWII, and was present for the liberation of Buchenwald, helped to protect that freedom so I could do just that today. God Bless America!
Wow, you Obama loving Democrats have no idea about the extensive track record your party has put as a burden on the prosperity of this country. First it was social security, then it was welfare, then it was medicare, then it was the housing bubble, now the Democrats want to spend more taxpayer money to fix all of these programs they established in the first place, even though the programs they already have established have been found that they don’t work! Everyone currently pays for social security, medicare and welfare already everytime they have taxes withdrawn from their paychecks. Now they want to mandate health insurance after bailing out the banks that they forced lenders to approve in the first place because they insisted that Fannie and Freddie will back all mortgage backed securities. Bush and McCain were concerned about the systemic risks developing among these GSEs when the CBO was addressed their financial disposition – Bush labeled them as a potential problem. Republicans insisted on strengthening regulations after HUD during the Clinton administration insisted on using ‘aggressive’ lending practices – forcing banks to approve even with low incomes and bad credit. Obama even acted as an attorney for ACORN and still has strong ties with them despite the scandals that they’ve been caught in the act of committing. The CEO of Fannie has admitted to the black caucus that they’ve offered more compensation to low income and minority groups than any other class of people in this country in recent history, which led to this economic collapse. Obama was even considering to have executives of Lehman Brothers as a candidate for VP before they collapsed. Instead we have a Treasurer that just happened to forget to pay his taxes for 3 years while working for the IMF. Now the Democrats have power over both the house AND the senate as well as the White House with NO bi-partisanship involved in passing this bill. Who’s to stop them from giving unlimited taxpayer money for the next three year to the corrupt GSEs they encouraged to continue operating with their shady accounting measures? The only reason Obama won was because we was able to decieve millions of americans by telling them what they wanted to hear. But nobody seemed to check to see that the Democrats have been strong arming the Republicans every chance they got, now there’s nobody to stop them. Their supporters are as naive as they are.
Frank, what you have just said sounds like something that my dad (a conservative/libertarian nutcase) would say… He lectured me repeatedly before the 2008 Presidential elections on how Clinton and the HUD caused the housing crisis by forcing banks to make loans to “minorities who couldn’t afford them” ( His take on the CRA), conveniently forgetting that the CRA did nothing like what he is discribing, and conveinently forgetting that it was the repeal of the Glass-Stegall Act (and with it, any regulations on banks and other financial institutions) which helped contribute to the sub-prime mortgage crisis. He also rants and raves to me about the “virtues of the Free market system” and how Obama and the Democrats want to take away the “great” free market system (his own words) and replace it with the dreaded “Socialism” ( which of course, he can’t define when asked what he means by Socialism). What is it with you right-wingers and your obsession about taxes and tax cheats? Yes, I know you guys don’t like to pay taxes, no body does, but it’s the price we have to pay for the privilige of being U.S. citizens.Isn’t the right-wing calling Geithner a tax cheat simply because he didn’t deduct his own Social Security taxes (he thought his employer, the IMF had been doing it for him and he’s since paid it back) a case of the pot calling the kettle back, since how many “free market capitalists” have found tax loopholes, such as putting their assets/profits in offshore accounts, etc? Besides, who is the right to complain about tax cheats, since they are not exactly the “pillar of morality” either? ( i.e. Ensign, Sanford, etc)
TEA PARTY TO TAKE OVER DEMOCRAT PARTY
NEW YEAR REVELATION:
All the Tea Party members should plan to join the Democrat Party and oust the leftist-marxist leaders that won control of that party by default when all the common sense people, like the Tea Party members of old, vacated their post because the morally sound were jumping onto the elephant instead of staying with the donkey and fighting off the onslaught of liberal, immoral, pro-abortion activists. Let’s RUN TO THE ROAR, as they say, and watch the liberal airbags fall on their own swords when they realize facts don’t back up their leftist ideology.
Our country depends on BOTH PARTIES’ leadership being accountable to the free-market, common sense, freedom-loving, constitution-honoring public!
Putting all our Tea Party bags in one basket (the GOP) is dangerous…as history has proven: “Complete power corrupts completely”.
This is some very information, I just completed my paper for class and wish i would had found this article sooner. You may have just made me a regular
OK…fast-forward to AFTER the special election in Massachusetts for Teddy Kennedy’s seat.
Refering to the Tea Party folks as teabaggers is nothing more then far left rhetoric designed to distract from the real issues.
These far left ideologs have nothing of substance to offer other then name calling in true Saul Alinski style. Read Saul Alinski’s book rules for radicals and your eyes will open wide. Heck just Google him and see what he is all about and you will have a clear veiw of what the far left is trying to do to our great nation.
They hate our contstitution that our founding fathers have given us and will do and say anything including name calling, lies, and slander that in their mind the end justifies the means.
Their goal is to transform our great nation into a socialist nanny state and demonized those that have worked hard and sacraficed to live the American dream.
The fact is 40% of the people attending the tea party rallies are either independents or democrats. Thats 4 out of 10 people attending these rallies. These people scare the hell out of the far left because the movement is opening the eyes of millions of regular everyday working people that have taken their eyes off the ball and are now paying close attention thus making it harder for them to transform our nation in the far left direction.
“The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money”….Margrat Thrasher
There is no free lunch, no free ride. At the end of the day someone has to pay the check.
Call the Tea Party folks all the names you like, and provide no substance to the debate other then vile name calling and rhetoric. Come November the tide will change and this socialist healthscam bill will not get a dime when it comes time for congress to fund it. The reason will be because the people will have fired those that have voted for it against their will.
Obama will be a one hit wonder just like Jimmy Cater and will go in the history books as one of the worse presidents in American History.