Comments on: MSNBC Shrugs About Liz Cheney’s Over-Exposure: “Liz Is A Great Guest” http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/torture/msnbc-shrugs-about-liz-cheney-over-exposure-liz-is-a-great-guest/ Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:40:44 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Sam H http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/torture/msnbc-shrugs-about-liz-cheney-over-exposure-liz-is-a-great-guest/comment-page-2/#comment-22410 Sam H Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:44:42 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=8058#comment-22410 Good God! Liberal dunderheads surely are idiots. Quoting Keith Olbermann calling somebody a liar?? Good God! Good luck to you all in the land of Unicorns, dreams, Obama and penny-whistles. What a bunch of effete tools. Good God! Liberal dunderheads surely are idiots.
Quoting Keith Olbermann calling somebody a liar??

Good God!
Good luck to you all in the land of Unicorns, dreams, Obama and penny-whistles.

What a bunch of effete tools.

]]> By: Patrick http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/torture/msnbc-shrugs-about-liz-cheney-over-exposure-liz-is-a-great-guest/comment-page-2/#comment-22018 Patrick Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:34:25 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=8058#comment-22018 Mark: It is almost impossible to follow your logic. Are you really that concerned about the fact that Israel has nuclear weapons? They have probably has them since the early 1970s so despite all the violence that has been directed at them for decades they have shown the kind of restraint of a responsible democracy. I am afraid I don't share the moral equivalency in regards to Iran because I can just about guarantee that if they are allowed to possess nuclear weapons they will use them and it will be Israel and perhaps even us that will be on the receiving end. And you have the unmitigated gall to compare Israel's behavior to the Nazis - you should be ashamed of yourself for even making such a statement. The Palestinians live in abject poverty and squalor for a number of reasons - not the least of which is the fact that the surrounding Muslim countries force them to live in refugee camps that are unfit for human habitation. They do not recognize them as full citizens of their nations and care not a wit about them other than to use them as a convenient club for them to hit Israel over the head with. Don't even compare Israel's human rights record with ANY Muslim nation. They don't hang homosexuals and treat women like objects. And why did Israel invade Lebanon? Because that is where the terrorists that launch daily attacks on Israel live to plot and plan future attacks. Are you saying they just have to take the daily missile and mortar attacks and not fight back. What the hell is wrong with you? Israel gives up Gaza and what happens? The Palestinian terrorists use it as a launching pad for rockets. If anybody needs to wake up it is you. The Palestinians have time and again been let down by their lack of leadership. Many Palestinians actually prefer living under Israeli rule because as one put it "that in order to get in trouble with the Israelis you have to do something wrong" whereas corrupt people like Arafat (when he was alive) and his successors terrorize and extort money from their own people to satisfy their own greed and lust for power. As long as groups like Hamas try to exploit Palestinian suffering in the worst possible way there will never be peace. They steadfastly refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state and as long as that is the state of play nothing will ever change nor should it probably. And you can throw Iran into the mix there because all they have done is throw gasoline on that fire - they play nothing but a destructive role in the region which is why they should never be allowed to have nuclear weapons because they will only use them to finish the job they have already started. And to you really believe a Halal meal, a Koran and a prayer rug is all we need to provide and the terrorist detainee will then tell us everything we want to know? It is so dumbfounding to hear somebody so intellectually dishonest that he refuses to believe anything from anybody he does not agree with about this issue. Using EITs was done as a last resort on a mere THREE detainees. Nothing else had worked up to that point and there was an urgent need to find out what Al Qaeda was planning because at that time we had very little knowledge about their organization. We did not have the luxury of waiting until we got hit again. If we did, I am sure you would have been one of the first to criticize the effort. It is amazing what over seven years of safety and security will do for the average liberal - they tend to believe there is no longer any threat and it is precisely because what had been done at that time that has kept us safe for all the years. You can deny the success of the EIT program all you want. The fact that Obama refuses to release those memos to me proves the case that they worked. Nothing you have said in your post proves that EITs were not effective. Just saying they weren't is not proof. I am more than willing to call out the previous administration for running up far too much debt. I have always been uncomfortable with the whole compassionate conservative philosophy because far too much of that unnecessary spending was done to placate Democrats who more often than not thought many of his programs like education and Medicare reform were actually UNDERFUNDED! But still, Bush made mistakes but it is far less concerning than Obama's quadrupling down on stupid deficit spending which is doing NOTHING to grow our economy and create jobs. Mark:

It is almost impossible to follow your logic. Are you really that concerned about the fact that Israel has nuclear weapons? They have probably has them since the early 1970s so despite all the violence that has been directed at them for decades they have shown the kind of restraint of a responsible democracy. I am afraid I don’t share the moral equivalency in regards to Iran because I can just about guarantee that if they are allowed to possess nuclear weapons they will use them and it will be Israel and perhaps even us that will be on the receiving end. And you have the unmitigated gall to compare Israel’s behavior to the Nazis – you should be ashamed of yourself for even making such a statement. The Palestinians live in abject poverty and squalor for a number of reasons – not the least of which is the fact that the surrounding Muslim countries force them to live in refugee camps that are unfit for human habitation. They do not recognize them as full citizens of their nations and care not a wit about them other than to use them as a convenient club for them to hit Israel over the head with. Don’t even compare Israel’s human rights record with ANY Muslim nation. They don’t hang homosexuals and treat women like objects. And why did Israel invade Lebanon? Because that is where the terrorists that launch daily attacks on Israel live to plot and plan future attacks. Are you saying they just have to take the daily missile and mortar attacks and not fight back. What the hell is wrong with you? Israel gives up Gaza and what happens? The Palestinian terrorists use it as a launching pad for rockets. If anybody needs to wake up it is you. The Palestinians have time and again been let down by their lack of leadership. Many Palestinians actually prefer living under Israeli rule because as one put it “that in order to get in trouble with the Israelis you have to do something wrong” whereas corrupt people like Arafat (when he was alive) and his successors terrorize and extort money from their own people to satisfy their own greed and lust for power. As long as groups like Hamas try to exploit Palestinian suffering in the worst possible way there will never be peace. They steadfastly refuse to recognize Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state and as long as that is the state of play nothing will ever change nor should it probably. And you can throw Iran into the mix there because all they have done is throw gasoline on that fire – they play nothing but a destructive role in the region which is why they should never be allowed to have nuclear weapons because they will only use them to finish the job they have already started.

And to you really believe a Halal meal, a Koran and a prayer rug is all we need to provide and the terrorist detainee will then tell us everything we want to know? It is so dumbfounding to hear somebody so intellectually dishonest that he refuses to believe anything from anybody he does not agree with about this issue. Using EITs was done as a last resort on a mere THREE detainees. Nothing else had worked up to that point and there was an urgent need to find out what Al Qaeda was planning because at that time we had very little knowledge about their organization. We did not have the luxury of waiting until we got hit again. If we did, I am sure you would have been one of the first to criticize the effort. It is amazing what over seven years of safety and security will do for the average liberal – they tend to believe there is no longer any threat and it is precisely because what had been done at that time that has kept us safe for all the years. You can deny the success of the EIT program all you want. The fact that Obama refuses to release those memos to me proves the case that they worked. Nothing you have said in your post proves that EITs were not effective. Just saying they weren’t is not proof.

I am more than willing to call out the previous administration for running up far too much debt. I have always been uncomfortable with the whole compassionate conservative philosophy because far too much of that unnecessary spending was done to placate Democrats who more often than not thought many of his programs like education and Medicare reform were actually UNDERFUNDED! But still, Bush made mistakes but it is far less concerning than Obama’s quadrupling down on stupid deficit spending which is doing NOTHING to grow our economy and create jobs.

]]> By: AllButCertain http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/torture/msnbc-shrugs-about-liz-cheney-over-exposure-liz-is-a-great-guest/comment-page-2/#comment-22008 AllButCertain Sat, 06 Jun 2009 15:43:22 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=8058#comment-22008 Mark - I like your squid analogy. Mark – I like your squid analogy.

]]> By: Aluceo http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/torture/msnbc-shrugs-about-liz-cheney-over-exposure-liz-is-a-great-guest/comment-page-2/#comment-22006 Aluceo Sat, 06 Jun 2009 15:25:17 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=8058#comment-22006 WHY THE CHENEYS WON’T LEAVE THE SCENE: A QUESTION OF JOURNALISTIC DEONTOLOGY! The recent appearances of the Cheneys over the media as a credible political opponent on par to the Obama administration's policies and stances raises an issue of journalistic deontology! This is definitely of artificial making. On the one hand, we've got a legitimately elected President of the United States who has undergone the rigorous electoral process having to make his case to the American people and coming out successful in eliciting the policies he intends to carry out during his mandate within the confines of the American political institutional structure and process. On the other hand, we've got political personae (the Cheneys) who are effectively being presented by the media as a legitimate opponent on par to the Obama administration whereas they do not bear any electoral mandate whatsoever for the political views they profer and with no consequent responsiblity, stake and risk that will arise from any such mandate while the President is tied to them. The latest case in point, is Liz Cheney's appearance on the Scarborough Show with her critical and undermining views of the President presented in effect as critical views to the Obama speech delivered in Egypt under the disguise of expressing her opinions. For comments/expressions of opinion on the President's policies, her views as well as those of her father have been given such a broad artificial reception by the media that runs very contrary to the expression of opinion as we've come to know it. These views are rather given almost the same weight and placed on par as the political stances of a legitimately elected president with a legitimate mandate for the policies he is undertaking while the Cheney's hold no such legitimate mandate and with no accompanying political accountability whatsoever. The issue here is that such attitude by the media is contrary to what we've come to expect from normal implicit democratic rules. If the Cheneys had any pretense for policies they wished to be implemented after the Bush Administration, the solution would have simply been for Dick or Liz to run for president. Since they didn't, it is artificial for the media to strive to present them as a counterweight on par to the Obama administration's policies well beyong what will be expected for the opinion of a simple citizen that the Cheneys are now notwithstanding their previous political roles. And by the way, by extension is it acceptable that any citizen, no matter what self-righteous pretense they might have, to be artificially given a similar counterweight role on par with the President on any policy issues of the Obama administration while not holding any legitimate political mandate for which they will be politically accountable for their stances? It can be understandable, that the Cheneys can be of direct concern when it comes to matters of direct relation to political issues having to do with Cheney's role in the Bush administration. But to raise their views on the policies and stances the administration should take on par with the President undermines appropriate journalistic deontology because as we should all know by now "elections do matter". What strikes the mind here is that the Cheneys have perfectly understood this "naïvété" of the media and are using this "media confusion about fairness" to artificially strive to extirpate Mr. Dick Cheney from accusations of introducing torture policies during the Bush Administration among other political accusations. Their strategy is very simple. Legally, Cheney can't make it (they know that secretly). In all courts of law, so-called EITs are definitely torture practices. Besides, the facts as we know them are overwhelmingly against him and the Bush Administration, and Dick Cheney's contradictions are extensive. The real strategy of the Cheney's here is totally otherly: turn it "political". First, saying torture works and was for the good of the country should elicit the fervour of many Americans. Afterall, all what is needed is that a substantial number of Americans polled buy to this argument, and then the issue’s legal underpinning may be undermined. Secondly, posing artificially as the right wing counterweight to the Obama's administration policies elicits the impression and fervour in some quarters particularly to the right that he is making the President moderate and thus he is political useful. A look at this second political trick shows how the media has effectively been manipulated: knowing fairly well that in his administrative role the President will have to take practical and pragmatic postures with respect to the release of photos of abused detainees as well as on other policies, all what Dick simply have to do is to posit that he is against releasing the pictures and pretend to take critical policy issues postures on the right, making him seemingly a moderating influence on the President. Thirdly, the Cheneys simply have to claim that Obama is following the Bush Administration’s policies he criticized pointing to his strategies in Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantanamo. In this case too, the media is manipulated as they ignore the fact that the Obama administration does not have the luxury of starting from scratch as Bush had on all these issues but rather adopts a “course correction strategy” of the situations to bring them as close as possible to what he advocates. The fact is that, the underlying strategy of Dick and her daughter is to make this three steps political trick extirpate Dick from the accusations levied against the former administration. The sad thing is that the media is "naïvely" falling for these political tricks! WHY THE CHENEYS WON’T LEAVE THE SCENE: A QUESTION OF JOURNALISTIC DEONTOLOGY!
The recent appearances of the Cheneys over the media as a credible political opponent on par to the Obama administration’s policies and stances raises an issue of journalistic deontology! This is definitely of artificial making. On the one hand, we’ve got a legitimately elected President of the United States who has undergone the rigorous electoral process having to make his case to the American people and coming out successful in eliciting the policies he intends to carry out during his mandate within the confines of the American political institutional structure and process. On the other hand, we’ve got political personae (the Cheneys) who are effectively being presented by the media as a legitimate opponent on par to the Obama administration whereas they do not bear any electoral mandate whatsoever for the political views they profer and with no consequent responsiblity, stake and risk that will arise from any such mandate while the President is tied to them.
The latest case in point, is Liz Cheney’s appearance on the Scarborough Show with her critical and undermining views of the President presented in effect as critical views to the Obama speech delivered in Egypt under the disguise of expressing her opinions. For comments/expressions of opinion on the President’s policies, her views as well as those of her father have been given such a broad artificial reception by the media that runs very contrary to the expression of opinion as we’ve come to know it. These views are rather given almost the same weight and placed on par as the political stances of a legitimately elected president with a legitimate mandate for the policies he is undertaking while the Cheney’s hold no such legitimate mandate and with no accompanying political accountability whatsoever. The issue here is that such attitude by the media is contrary to what we’ve come to expect from normal implicit democratic rules. If the Cheneys had any pretense for policies they wished to be implemented after the Bush Administration, the solution would have simply been for Dick or Liz to run for president. Since they didn’t, it is artificial for the media to strive to present them as a counterweight on par to the Obama administration’s policies well beyong what will be expected for the opinion of a simple citizen that the Cheneys are now notwithstanding their previous political roles. And by the way, by extension is it acceptable that any citizen, no matter what self-righteous pretense they might have, to be artificially given a similar counterweight role on par with the President on any policy issues of the Obama administration while not holding any legitimate political mandate for which they will be politically accountable for their stances? It can be understandable, that the Cheneys can be of direct concern when it comes to matters of direct relation to political issues having to do with Cheney’s role in the Bush administration. But to raise their views on the policies and stances the administration should take on par with the President undermines appropriate journalistic deontology because as we should all know by now “elections do matter”.
What strikes the mind here is that the Cheneys have perfectly understood this “naïvété” of the media and are using this “media confusion about fairness” to artificially strive to extirpate Mr. Dick Cheney from accusations of introducing torture policies during the Bush Administration among other political accusations. Their strategy is very simple. Legally, Cheney can’t make it (they know that secretly). In all courts of law, so-called EITs are definitely torture practices. Besides, the facts as we know them are overwhelmingly against him and the Bush Administration, and Dick Cheney’s contradictions are extensive. The real strategy of the Cheney’s here is totally otherly: turn it “political”. First, saying torture works and was for the good of the country should elicit the fervour of many Americans. Afterall, all what is needed is that a substantial number of Americans polled buy to this argument, and then the issue’s legal underpinning may be undermined. Secondly, posing artificially as the right wing counterweight to the Obama’s administration policies elicits the impression and fervour in some quarters particularly to the right that he is making the President moderate and thus he is political useful. A look at this second political trick shows how the media has effectively been manipulated: knowing fairly well that in his administrative role the President will have to take practical and pragmatic postures with respect to the release of photos of abused detainees as well as on other policies, all what Dick simply have to do is to posit that he is against releasing the pictures and pretend to take critical policy issues postures on the right, making him seemingly a moderating influence on the President. Thirdly, the Cheneys simply have to claim that Obama is following the Bush Administration’s policies he criticized pointing to his strategies in Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantanamo. In this case too, the media is manipulated as they ignore the fact that the Obama administration does not have the luxury of starting from scratch as Bush had on all these issues but rather adopts a “course correction strategy” of the situations to bring them as close as possible to what he advocates. The fact is that, the underlying strategy of Dick and her daughter is to make this three steps political trick extirpate Dick from the accusations levied against the former administration. The sad thing is that the media is “naïvely” falling for these political tricks!

]]> By: Mark http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/torture/msnbc-shrugs-about-liz-cheney-over-exposure-liz-is-a-great-guest/comment-page-2/#comment-21991 Mark Sat, 06 Jun 2009 12:09:10 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=8058#comment-21991 Hey,Patrick - wake up,man. No one said Maddow and Olbermann were "serious journalists" - they have shows, they have video of Old Man Cheney talking doo-doo,and all you need is to run these videos and ask a few pointed questions,and the Cheneys know it - THAT'S why they they won't go on either show. Gutless Wonder - I didn't know it was a gene! The lies of Little Deferrement (is she #1 or #2?) have already been detailed here, so I won't waste space here with them. I wonder : has either of them been on C-SPAN, where the VIEWERS can help grind them into hamburger? Believe me, they will be ready to do so,armed with the lies and half-truths of the both of them. EITs don't work.You get more info if you treat prisoners with respect and get them to trust you. President Obama certainly isn't holding back any reports that will make Cheney look good - because there aren't any.He's too busy trying to clean up the mess that started under bumbling Bush. Are you saying that these problems started right after Obama was sworn in? I love how you Republicans/Obama haters twist arguments and deflect blame : the Guantanamo prisoners were being tortured, but let's look at Pelosi - for NOT STOPPING IT. Bush was flying America into the ground, but it's all Obama's fault for NOT PULLING US OUT OF THE SPIN FAST ENOUGH. Dick Cheney infamously shot his friend - and the friend apologized FOR GETTING IN THE WAY OF HIS BUCKSHOT. The Cheneys bring squids to mind - when they (or the Repubs) get in trouble, they blort out a mass of ink, squirt away, and leave the truth in a gooey cloud. They they re-emerge in another place to start again. Israel has been acting like their WW2 oppressors for quite a while now - and been getting away with it because they scream "self-defense". They are allowed to "neither confirm or deny" that they have nukes...when are they going to sign the NPT-like IRAN has? They get a slap on the wrist from the world when they commit atrocities - like the invasion of Lebanon. The US routinely blocks any UN rulings against Israel. Israel is NOT the only "true"(whatever that means)in the region : the Bush administration touted the Palestinians' "free and fair" elections,remember? When they voted for Hamas, everyone wanted a 'do-over'. Hopefully, these days are coming to an end. And are you trying to say that we only became indebted to China when Obama took office? Really? you can't have it both ways ; you can't trash Obama and his administration-but cite his economists when they say something you like. The WORLD gets the dry heaves thinking of the USA under the rule of McCain/Palin. We did good! Hey,Patrick – wake up,man. No one said Maddow and Olbermann were “serious journalists” – they have shows, they have video of Old Man Cheney talking doo-doo,and all you need is to run these videos and ask a few pointed questions,and the Cheneys know it – THAT’S why they they won’t go on either show. Gutless Wonder – I didn’t know it was a gene!
The lies of Little Deferrement (is she #1 or #2?) have already been detailed here, so I won’t waste space here with them. I wonder : has either of them been on C-SPAN, where the VIEWERS can help grind them into hamburger? Believe me, they will be ready to do so,armed with the lies and half-truths of the both of them.
EITs don’t work.You get more info if you treat prisoners with respect and get them to trust you. President Obama certainly isn’t holding back any reports that will make Cheney look good – because there aren’t any.He’s too busy trying to clean up the mess that started under bumbling Bush. Are you saying that these problems started right after Obama was sworn in? I love how you Republicans/Obama haters twist arguments and deflect blame : the Guantanamo prisoners were being tortured, but let’s look at Pelosi – for NOT STOPPING IT. Bush was flying America into the ground, but it’s all Obama’s fault for NOT PULLING US OUT OF THE SPIN FAST ENOUGH. Dick Cheney infamously shot his friend – and the friend apologized FOR GETTING IN THE WAY OF HIS BUCKSHOT. The Cheneys bring squids to mind – when they (or the Repubs) get in trouble, they blort out a mass of ink, squirt away, and leave the truth in a gooey cloud. They they re-emerge in another place to start again.
Israel has been acting like their WW2 oppressors for quite a while now – and been getting away with it because they scream “self-defense”. They are allowed to “neither confirm or deny” that they have nukes…when are they going to sign the NPT-like IRAN has? They get a slap on the wrist from the world when they commit atrocities – like the invasion of Lebanon. The US routinely blocks any UN rulings against Israel. Israel is NOT the only “true”(whatever that means)in the region : the Bush administration touted the Palestinians’ “free and fair” elections,remember? When they voted for Hamas, everyone wanted a ‘do-over’. Hopefully, these days are coming to an end.
And are you trying to say that we only became indebted to China when Obama took office? Really? you can’t have it both ways ; you can’t trash Obama and his administration-but cite his economists when they say something you like.
The WORLD gets the dry heaves thinking of the USA under the rule of McCain/Palin. We did good!

]]> By: Patrick http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/torture/msnbc-shrugs-about-liz-cheney-over-exposure-liz-is-a-great-guest/comment-page-2/#comment-21977 Patrick Sat, 06 Jun 2009 10:02:19 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=8058#comment-21977 It is amazing how many stupid people are commenting on this article. Most of you wouldn't know what the truth is if it reached out and smacked you in the face. You think Maddow and Olbermann are serious journalists? You must be joking. What lies has Liz Cheney told? If Obama could ever find an ounce of courage and integrity he would release the documents her father is asking for proving EITs worked but as that would be an inconvenient truth for Obama we will probably never see it so as such I assume the former VP is telling the truth because there would be nothing Obama would like more than to prove him wrong but he will hide behind any and all legal avenues to prevent these memos from seeing the light of day. All I can say is go back to your worshipping of Obama - the architect of 9.4% unemployment and rising by the day. How many trillions of dollars is this costing us to see free market capitalism being flushed down the toilet without creating any jobs? Obama's own economists said employment would crest at 8.8% if the so-called economic stimulus package wasn't passed. We are far higher than that now WITH the wasteful spending. How is that working out for you morons? We used to be a great nation. Now we are indebted to the Chinese who ironically are now lecturing us about the concept of responsible capitalism... Taking my cue from the idiotic left, I hereby apologize to the world for the 52% of registered voters who were so stupid as to elect a street agitator with no executive experience to the most important job in the world. We will be lucky to survive the next three and a half years as he bashes Israel (the only true democracy in the region), ignores every broken promise made by the Palestinians all while allowing Iran to put the finishing touches on their nuclear weapons program. At some point you would swear all of these actions are being done on purpose because nobody in their right mind would think this would be sensible policy. It is amazing how many stupid people are commenting on this article. Most of you wouldn’t know what the truth is if it reached out and smacked you in the face. You think Maddow and Olbermann are serious journalists? You must be joking. What lies has Liz Cheney told? If Obama could ever find an ounce of courage and integrity he would release the documents her father is asking for proving EITs worked but as that would be an inconvenient truth for Obama we will probably never see it so as such I assume the former VP is telling the truth because there would be nothing Obama would like more than to prove him wrong but he will hide behind any and all legal avenues to prevent these memos from seeing the light of day.

All I can say is go back to your worshipping of Obama – the architect of 9.4% unemployment and rising by the day. How many trillions of dollars is this costing us to see free market capitalism being flushed down the toilet without creating any jobs? Obama’s own economists said employment would crest at 8.8% if the so-called economic stimulus package wasn’t passed. We are far higher than that now WITH the wasteful spending. How is that working out for you morons? We used to be a great nation. Now we are indebted to the Chinese who ironically are now lecturing us about the concept of responsible capitalism…

Taking my cue from the idiotic left, I hereby apologize to the world for the 52% of registered voters who were so stupid as to elect a street agitator with no executive experience to the most important job in the world. We will be lucky to survive the next three and a half years as he bashes Israel (the only true democracy in the region), ignores every broken promise made by the Palestinians all while allowing Iran to put the finishing touches on their nuclear weapons program. At some point you would swear all of these actions are being done on purpose because nobody in their right mind would think this would be sensible policy.

]]> By: Brian Litz http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/torture/msnbc-shrugs-about-liz-cheney-over-exposure-liz-is-a-great-guest/comment-page-2/#comment-21944 Brian Litz Sat, 06 Jun 2009 03:03:03 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=8058#comment-21944 The interview with Andrea Mitchell yesterday was a joke. The best Andrea Mitchell could do was say "I'll have to do my home work" and have you back" Hay do your home work before the interview and stop people like the Cheneys before they get thousands of people killed for no reason. Shame on MSNBC for putting the crap on the air.... Liz Cheney would not last 5 minutes on Rachael Maddow's show before being exposed to be the lying piece of dirt she is. The interview with Andrea Mitchell yesterday was a joke. The best Andrea Mitchell could do was say “I’ll have to do my home work” and have you back” Hay do your home work before the interview and stop people like the Cheneys before they get thousands of people killed for no reason. Shame on MSNBC for putting the **** on the air…. Liz Cheney would not last 5 minutes on Rachael Maddow’s show before being exposed to be the lying piece of dirt she is.

]]> By: Frege http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/torture/msnbc-shrugs-about-liz-cheney-over-exposure-liz-is-a-great-guest/comment-page-2/#comment-21941 Frege Sat, 06 Jun 2009 02:40:19 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=8058#comment-21941 Maybe it"s a "framing" problem? The "reality-based" community my ass. You people created the "Guantanamo war crimes" meme/frame and sold it to kids too dumb to look into it. Now that the Dear Leader has set a deadline to close it, the debate has only just now been joined. Guess what, most Americans don't see us as the force of evil in the world that Nancy Pelosi, Obama, and Code Pink do. Maybe it”s a “framing” problem? The “reality-based” community my ***. You people created the “Guantanamo war crimes” meme/frame and sold it to kids too dumb to look into it. Now that the Dear Leader has set a deadline to close it, the debate has only just now been joined. Guess what, most Americans don’t see us as the force of evil in the world that Nancy Pelosi, Obama, and Code Pink do.

]]> By: James Marsden http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/torture/msnbc-shrugs-about-liz-cheney-over-exposure-liz-is-a-great-guest/comment-page-2/#comment-21924 James Marsden Fri, 05 Jun 2009 23:31:06 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=8058#comment-21924 You have to forgive Ms. Maddow and Mr. Olbermann. He is angry that Obama visited Buchenwald and never mentioned that Mr. Olbermann's father was a camp guard there during the war. Also, Maddow has been having a hard time with her dismal ratings; so much so that her Adam's apple keeps bobbing up and down when she mentions Dick Cheney. Although why the word "dick" should worry her, or her girlfriend, is beyond me. You have to forgive Ms. Maddow and Mr. Olbermann. He is angry that Obama visited Buchenwald and never mentioned that Mr. Olbermann’s father was a camp guard there during the war. Also, Maddow has been having a hard time with her dismal ratings; so much so that her Adam’s apple keeps bobbing up and down when she mentions Dick Cheney. Although why the word “dick” should worry her, or her girlfriend, is beyond me.

]]> By: Marc Nofler http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/torture/msnbc-shrugs-about-liz-cheney-over-exposure-liz-is-a-great-guest/comment-page-2/#comment-21920 Marc Nofler Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:57:10 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=8058#comment-21920 Seriously though, what makes any "commentator" qualified or unqualified? Aren't all talking heads the same? Liz at least eschews the normal scream and spittle approach that most take. Seriously though, what makes any “commentator” qualified or unqualified? Aren’t all talking heads the same? Liz at least eschews the normal scream and spittle approach that most take.

]]> By: Daphne Chyprious http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/torture/msnbc-shrugs-about-liz-cheney-over-exposure-liz-is-a-great-guest/comment-page-2/#comment-21917 Daphne Chyprious Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:35:54 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=8058#comment-21917 Yeah, and Matthews' former producer told me Ann Coulter was a great guest. When's the last time she was on any MSNBC program? Meanwhile, I strongly advise against engaging sbj any further. "Feeding the trolls" has become a conventional sanction for good reason - they're always willing to stoop to greater depths than we are. Yeah, and Matthews’ former producer told me Ann Coulter was a great guest. When’s the last time she was on any MSNBC program? Meanwhile, I strongly advise against engaging sbj any further. “Feeding the trolls” has become a conventional sanction for good reason – they’re always willing to stoop to greater depths than we are.

]]> By: sbj http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/torture/msnbc-shrugs-about-liz-cheney-over-exposure-liz-is-a-great-guest/comment-page-2/#comment-21900 sbj Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:16:45 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=8058#comment-21900 Your first attempt (at humor?) was better. Your first attempt (at humor?) was better.

]]> By: cha cha cha http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/torture/msnbc-shrugs-about-liz-cheney-over-exposure-liz-is-a-great-guest/comment-page-2/#comment-21899 cha cha cha Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:15:41 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=8058#comment-21899 there's a book entitled "the optimistic apologist: carrying water for dick" in your future. there’s a book entitled “the optimistic apologist: carrying water for dick” in your future.

]]> By: sbj http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/torture/msnbc-shrugs-about-liz-cheney-over-exposure-liz-is-a-great-guest/comment-page-2/#comment-21894 sbj Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:50:43 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=8058#comment-21894 Even that one bounced right off! Even that one bounced right off!

]]> By: cha cha cha http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/torture/msnbc-shrugs-about-liz-cheney-over-exposure-liz-is-a-great-guest/comment-page-2/#comment-21891 cha cha cha Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:45:52 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=8058#comment-21891 "I don’t believe a thing has stuck yet!" well now, that is truly the real tragedy in all of this. “I don’t believe a thing has stuck yet!”

well now, that is truly the real tragedy in all of this.

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