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	<title>Comments on: Gay Rights Lawyers: Obama Administration Rebuffed Our Requests For Dialogue &#8212; UPDATED</title>
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		<title>By: taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 13:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not all commit political suicide at once. Read  &quot;The Art of War&quot;.  Timing is everything.  I&#039;m sure we could be spoilers in 2012 if we put our minds to it, although I shudder to think what viciously anti-gay and anti-main-street prez that would get us.  Obama can&#039;t afford to alienate certain constituencies (sum total makes us look quite small). What do we expect when the anti-gay-marriage folks spanked us at the polls in always-blue CA? And the dicey war means DADT will be delayed.   

I too almost bolted over the faith-based cr*p and Rick Warren. Those anti-intellectuals are being paid to rot people&#039;s minds as well as raise little bigots. However I don&#039;t intend to shoot myself in the foot by going over to the other side.  It&#039;s way worse there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not all commit political suicide at once. Read  &#8220;The Art of War&#8221;.  Timing is everything.  I&#8217;m sure we could be spoilers in 2012 if we put our minds to it, although I shudder to think what viciously anti-gay and anti-main-street prez that would get us.  Obama can&#8217;t afford to alienate certain constituencies (sum total makes us look quite small). What do we expect when the anti-gay-marriage folks spanked us at the polls in always-blue CA? And the dicey war means DADT will be delayed.   </p>
<p>I too almost bolted over the faith-based cr*p and Rick Warren. Those anti-intellectuals are being paid to rot people&#8217;s minds as well as raise little bigots. However I don&#8217;t intend to shoot myself in the foot by going over to the other side.  It&#8217;s way worse there.</p>
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		<title>By: David Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although, I personally am so far to the left that even the democrats appear to me to be &quot;right-wing,&quot; I consider myself to be a strict constitutionalist. It is my opinion that since its inception there has been an organized and systematic assault by the conservatives in the United States on the civil liberties written into the US Constitution. The “War on Drugs”; “War on Terror”; “War on Communism” and a host of other wars waged by the right wing are really nothing more than a War on People--an excuse to erode civil rights to the point of non-existence. I invite you to my website devoted to raising awareness on this puritan attack on freedom: http://pltcldscsn.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although, I personally am so far to the left that even the democrats appear to me to be &#8220;right-wing,&#8221; I consider myself to be a strict constitutionalist. It is my opinion that since its inception there has been an organized and systematic assault by the conservatives in the United States on the civil liberties written into the US Constitution. The “War on Drugs”; “War on Terror”; “War on Communism” and a host of other wars waged by the right wing are really nothing more than a War on People&#8211;an excuse to erode civil rights to the point of non-existence. I invite you to my website devoted to raising awareness on this puritan attack on freedom: <a href="http://pltcldscsn.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://pltcldscsn.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 00:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rebuttal:
I. He’s a savior and you’re crucifying him. Poor, poor Obama.
II. Give him a few years.
III. It’s a technical error.... Read More
IV. We’re being tested to see if we’re worthy.
V. I can read Obama’s mind and I know, deep in my heart, that he loves us.
VI. This is all a Republican plot to embarrass the best President in the whole wide world.

2009 is not 1993. Sixty-seven percent of Americans now favor granting same-sex couples the right to marry or join in civil unions. Sixty-nine percent support letting openly gay men and lesbian women serve in our military, including a majority of Republicans (58 percent), conservatives (58 percent), and even churchgoers (60 percent). And an overwhelming number of Americans have long since supported passing legislation banning job discrimination against gays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rebuttal:<br />
I. He’s a savior and you’re crucifying him. Poor, poor Obama.<br />
II. Give him a few years.<br />
III. It’s a technical error&#8230;. Read More<br />
IV. We’re being tested to see if we’re worthy.<br />
V. I can read Obama’s mind and I know, deep in my heart, that he loves us.<br />
VI. This is all a Republican plot to embarrass the best President in the whole wide world.</p>
<p>2009 is not 1993. Sixty-seven percent of Americans now favor granting same-<acronym title="sex">***</acronym> couples the right to marry or join in civil unions. Sixty-nine percent support letting openly gay men and lesbian women serve in our military, including a majority of Republicans (58 percent), conservatives (58 percent), and even churchgoers (60 percent). And an overwhelming number of Americans have long since supported passing legislation banning job discrimination against <acronym title="gays">****</acronym>.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 00:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: S.HUT</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.HUT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the gay commmunity will have there time, But this  administration is farely new not even 6 months. I guess everything is suppose to happen overnight(NOT). If you would give the president sometime you should get what you want and i&#039;m not GAY, I dont believe in the dont ask-dont tell policy, I do believe the marriage is between a man-women that&#039;s how most of people were raised to see and believe but it would be your right to do what makes you happy. I say again give the man a little time before you start judging him and it should all work out OK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the gay commmunity will have there time, But this  administration is farely new not even 6 months. I guess everything is suppose to happen overnight(NOT). If you would give the president sometime you should get what you want and i&#8217;m not GAY, I dont believe in the dont ask-dont tell policy, I do believe the marriage is between a man-women that&#8217;s how most of people were raised to see and believe but it would be your right to do what makes you happy. I say again give the man a little time before you start judging him and it should all work out OK.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama made his stance on the GLB community quite clear almost before the primaries started. Donnie McClurkin. If you sent him money, supported him and voted for him after that you&#039;re a FOOL! Now sit down, shut up, stop whining. You got what you voted for. You had choices and not just McCain...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama made his stance on the GLB community quite clear almost before the primaries started. Donnie McClurkin. If you sent him money, supported him and voted for him after that you&#8217;re a FOOL! Now sit down, shut up, stop whining. You got what you voted for. You had choices and not just McCain&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: La</title>
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		<dc:creator>La</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And to say he admired Reagan, AMH. The president that denied AIDS research much less that it existed. &quot;Shame on you, Barack Obama!&quot; That goes for you too, Mark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to say he admired Reagan, AMH. The president that denied AIDS research much less that it existed. &#8220;Shame on you, Barack Obama!&#8221; That goes for you too, Mark.</p>
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		<title>By: AMH</title>
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		<dc:creator>AMH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On, and Hillary Clinton has walked in every gay pride parade she&#039;s been invited too -- unlike Obama who refused to attend the gay pride parade in Chicago last summer &amp; didn&#039;t have the decency to pretend that he had a pressing work. Oh, no, he went to the mo&#039;f&#039;ing GYM &amp; got his haircut!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On, and Hillary Clinton has walked in every gay pride parade she&#8217;s been invited too &#8212; unlike Obama who refused to attend the gay pride parade in Chicago last summer &amp; didn&#8217;t have the decency to pretend that he had a pressing work. Oh, no, he went to the mo&#8217;f'ing GYM &amp; got his haircut!</p>
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		<title>By: michael/fuzzybeargville</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael/fuzzybeargville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LA I love that movie~</description>
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		<title>By: michael/fuzzybeargville</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael/fuzzybeargville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to AMH-Amen Brother or Sister....the creator father-mother god/dess bless your words!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to AMH-Amen Brother or Sister&#8230;.the creator father-mother god/dess bless your words!</p>
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		<title>By: AMH</title>
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		<dc:creator>AMH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark -- the fact that you &quot;blame&quot; Clinton for DOMA &amp; DADT show either how young you are &amp;/or that you don&#039;t know your history. DOMA passed the Senate 85 to 14 -- that, right there, is called a &quot;veto proof&quot; majority (more than 2/3 of the members). That&#039;s a lot of DEMOCRATS who put together &amp; voted for DOMA &amp; pressured Bill Clinton to sign it. And the reason he did (since you don&#039;t seem to know anything in your post-Queer As Folks world) is because the Congress would have passed an amendment banning same-sex marriage in the Constitution. THAT is the truth of how it happened and DADT was a similar situation. That is the problem with Obama supporters, because Obama&#039;s &quot;record of accomplishment&quot; is all smoke &amp; mirrors, they think they can just make sh!t up about everyone else too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark &#8212; the fact that you &#8220;blame&#8221; Clinton for DOMA &amp; DADT show either how young you are &amp;/or that you don&#8217;t know your history. DOMA passed the Senate 85 to 14 &#8212; that, right there, is called a &#8220;veto proof&#8221; majority (more than 2/3 of the members). That&#8217;s a lot of DEMOCRATS who put together &amp; voted for DOMA &amp; pressured Bill Clinton to sign it. And the reason he did (since you don&#8217;t seem to know anything in your post-<acronym title="Queer">*****</acronym> As Folks world) is because the Congress would have passed an amendment banning same-<acronym title="sex">***</acronym> marriage in the Constitution. THAT is the truth of how it happened and DADT was a similar situation. That is the problem with Obama supporters, because Obama&#8217;s &#8220;record of accomplishment&#8221; is all smoke &amp; mirrors, they think they can just make <acronym title="sh!t">****</acronym> up about everyone else too.</p>
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		<title>By: La</title>
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		<dc:creator>La</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This ain&#039;t our first time at the rodeo, fuzzy. In the words of Joan Crawford &quot;Don&#039;t F*ck with me, fellas.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This ain&#8217;t our first time at the rodeo, fuzzy. In the words of Joan Crawford &#8220;Don&#8217;t F*ck with me, fellas.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: michael/fuzzybeargville</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael/fuzzybeargville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a warning to gay leaders who choose to meet with Obama Dont!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a warning to gay leaders who choose to meet with Obama Dont!</p>
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		<title>By: michael/fuzzybeargville</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael/fuzzybeargville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark you are wrong, wrong, wrong! Oh and you are a homophobe.  1993 is not 2008. Congress gave us DADT and DOMA please read your constitution ...both would have passed and became law with a huge veto override majorities in both houses even if President Clinton had not signed them into law. President Clinton hit the ground running with attempting Healthcare Reform and ending the outright ban on gay in the military.  He got the rightwing smack down probably by “people like you.”

I wished he would have called congress on those two items and vetoed them. Alas the times were different then we have come so far in some ways. Mr. Clinton has come so far as has Hillary. Obama has come far also...from the myth of being of far left to the reality he is as right wing as Mr. Dobson and Rev Rick Warren. Obama is the “Purpose Filled Bigot” when it comes to LGBT rights.

Mark whoever is paying you to go from blog to blog to post these hate filled Obama sponsored MEMEs is really getting their monies worth from you today. We call you out today. You are spouting the official Obama MEME of the week to try to force Gay and Lesbian Democrats back under Obama’s bus.

I know you are a tool of Mr. Obama.  Next MEME by Mark since we aren’t cowering be in shame over Gay people are all really republicans is that all Gay “white” men are R@cists! I can see it coming. I have been to this kind of party before with the like of you Mark. No one here is buying what you are getting paid to sell…got to Yes To Democracy they will love what you have to say there!

I wished he would have called congress on those two items and vetod them. Alas the times were different then we have come so far in some ways. Mr Clinton has come so far ans have Hillary. Obama has come far also...from the myth of being far left to the reality he is as right wing as Mr Dobsen adn Rev Rick Warren.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark you are wrong, wrong, wrong! Oh and you are a homophobe.  1993 is not 2008. Congress gave us DADT and DOMA please read your constitution &#8230;both would have passed and became law with a huge veto override majorities in both houses even if President Clinton had not signed them into law. President Clinton hit the ground running with attempting Healthcare Reform and ending the outright ban on gay in the military.  He got the rightwing smack down probably by “people like you.”</p>
<p>I wished he would have called congress on those two items and vetoed them. Alas the times were different then we have come so far in some ways. Mr. Clinton has come so far as has Hillary. Obama has come far also&#8230;from the myth of being of far left to the reality he is as right wing as Mr. Dobson and Rev Rick Warren. Obama is the “Purpose Filled Bigot” when it comes to LGBT rights.</p>
<p>Mark whoever is paying you to go from blog to blog to post these hate filled Obama sponsored MEMEs is really getting their monies worth from you today. We call you out today. You are spouting the official Obama MEME of the week to try to force Gay and Lesbian Democrats back under Obama’s bus.</p>
<p>I know you are a tool of Mr. Obama.  Next MEME by Mark since we aren’t cowering be in shame over Gay people are all really republicans is that all Gay “white” men are R@cists! I can see it coming. I have been to this kind of party before with the like of you Mark. No one here is buying what you are getting paid to sell…got to Yes To Democracy they will love what you have to say there!</p>
<p>I wished he would have called congress on those two items and vetod them. Alas the times were different then we have come so far in some ways. Mr Clinton has come so far ans have Hillary. Obama has come far also&#8230;from the myth of being far left to the reality he is as right wing as Mr Dobsen adn Rev Rick Warren.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Obama is a turncoat Republican Christian fundamentalist homophobe and everybody always knew it and it&#039;s a wonder he got any LGBT votes...Or every gay person is a Democrat who worked to get him elected.  Either the Clintons are real Democrats or they&#039;re the ones who brought us DADT and DOMA.  Either we&#039;d be crazy to vote Republican...or Sarah Palin brought same-sex rights to her state.

It seems like Democrats have moved too slowly on gay rights and give the dog whistles to homophobes.  Gay people have given up on them and vote based on other issues, which means a not insignificant number of gay people vote Republican.  On top of that, white men - gay or otherwise - are more likely to vote Republican than other groups, which means there are a lot of GWM Republicans.  I fail to see why this is controversial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Obama is a turncoat Republican Christian fundamentalist homophobe and everybody always knew it and it&#8217;s a wonder he got any LGBT votes&#8230;Or every gay person is a Democrat who worked to get him elected.  Either the Clintons are real Democrats or they&#8217;re the ones who brought us DADT and DOMA.  Either we&#8217;d be crazy to vote Republican&#8230;or Sarah Palin brought same-<acronym title="sex">***</acronym> rights to her state.</p>
<p>It seems like Democrats have moved too slowly on gay rights and give the dog whistles to homophobes.  Gay people have given up on them and vote based on other issues, which means a not insignificant number of gay people vote Republican.  On top of that, white men &#8211; gay or otherwise &#8211; are more likely to vote Republican than other groups, which means there are a lot of GWM Republicans.  I fail to see why this is controversial.</p>
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