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	<title>Comments on: CIA Admits That Info About Torture Briefings For Dems May Not Be Accurate</title>
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		<title>By: ali</title>
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		<dc:creator>ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>iam concurrent this article</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iam concurrent this article</p>
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		<title>By: MELVIN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MELVIN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 01:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#  Kevin Schmidt &#124;  May 8th, 2009 at 04:32 pm

Of course, WaPooPravda, the owner of this website is also guilty of parroting the Neocon-Fascist propaganda.

No wonder they are going bankrupt like the rest of the MSM.

Long live the internet and credible sources of the news:
Buzzflash.com
Crooksandliars.com
Mediamatters.org
Consortiumnews.com
Smirkingchimp.com
Why leave out that Murdoch had to write down 8.4 billion last quarter and none of MURDOCHS papers or periodicals are profitable.
I love how a paper that allows a divergent point of view is biased,as long as a paper allows hate of democrats and love of republicans,well thats fair and balanced.
Who is programed and has the &quot;talking points&quot;?
Extremist talking points make it through the extremist system in a day,sometimes hours,never does a political opinion go anywhere in mainstream media.
Thats ok though,you guys and your weirdo crap and best bud limbaugh are the best weapons mainstream America has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#  Kevin Schmidt |  May 8th, 2009 at 04:32 pm</p>
<p>Of course, WaPooPravda, the owner of this website is also guilty of parroting the Neocon-Fascist propaganda.</p>
<p>No wonder they are going bankrupt like the rest of the MSM.</p>
<p>Long live the internet and credible sources of the news:<br />
Buzzflash.com<br />
Crooksandliars.com<br />
Mediamatters.org<br />
Consortiumnews.com<br />
Smirkingchimp.com<br />
Why leave out that Murdoch had to write down 8.4 billion last quarter and none of MURDOCHS papers or periodicals are profitable.<br />
I love how a paper that allows a divergent point of view is biased,as long as a paper allows hate of democrats and love of republicans,well thats fair and balanced.<br />
Who is programed and has the &#8220;talking points&#8221;?<br />
Extremist talking points make it through the extremist system in a day,sometimes hours,never does a political opinion go anywhere in mainstream media.<br />
Thats ok though,you guys and your weirdo <acronym title="crap">****</acronym> and best bud limbaugh are the best weapons mainstream America has.</p>
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		<title>By: john brightman</title>
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		<dc:creator>john brightman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 20:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI looks very interesting! bookmarked your blog.         john brightman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI looks very interesting! bookmarked your blog.         john brightman</p>
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		<title>By: Brian LaFollette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian LaFollette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 13:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides, anyone stupid enough to challenge the CIA and at the same time accuse them of felonies (misleading Congress, lying under oath etc.) should go home to SF where she belongs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides, anyone stupid enough to challenge the CIA and at the same time accuse them of felonies (misleading Congress, lying under oath etc.) should go home to SF where she belongs.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian LaFollette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian LaFollette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 13:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Knothead! Let&#039;s see, several CIA staffers make contemporaneous notes about what was said in a meeting but they are not to be trusted over what a career politician in deep deep trouble says. Hmmmm . . . .  Plenty of doubt raising about CIA and repubs: where is the smell test and fair questioning of Pelosi? This is not he said she said - it&#039;s Panetta making a generous small concession to a former colleague in the House - sho probably begged on her knees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knothead! Let&#8217;s see, several CIA staffers make contemporaneous notes about what was said in a meeting but they are not to be trusted over what a career politician in deep deep trouble says. Hmmmm . . . .  Plenty of doubt raising about CIA and repubs: where is the smell test and fair questioning of Pelosi? This is not he said she said &#8211; it&#8217;s Panetta making a generous small concession to a former colleague in the House &#8211; sho probably begged on her knees.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe sixpack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe sixpack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 00:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pelosi is a Liar, and this country would be better off if she quit. She wont. These pandering political hacks all need term limits! Royalty is what 2 of 3 branches of government ooze of. Term Limits Period. Most controversy/ coruption involves senate/congress men/women beyond their second term. Wake up America. The King of england was royalty. we kicked his butt back to Europe. USA dont need career political hacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pelosi is a Liar, and this country would be better off if she quit. She wont. These pandering political hacks all need term limits! Royalty is what 2 of 3 branches of government ooze of. Term Limits Period. Most controversy/ coruption involves senate/congress men/women beyond their second term. Wake up America. The King of england was royalty. we kicked his butt back to Europe. USA dont need career political hacks.</p>
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		<title>By: Lobato1c</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lobato1c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 19:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s moronic to think that anyone (besides the morons doing the interrogation), being informed they had water-boarded a suspect &quot;EIGHTY-THREE&quot; times, would consent.
Sad.
Best Regards
Lobato1c</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s moronic to think that anyone (besides the morons doing the interrogation), being informed they had water-boarded a suspect &#8220;EIGHTY-THREE&#8221; times, would consent.<br />
Sad.<br />
Best Regards<br />
Lobato1c</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 10:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you kidding me?  Seriously.  Are you joking?

Nancy Pelosi is incapable of telling the truth.  The evidence is overwhelming.

These after the fact &quot;investigations&quot; are a waste of time of money. We won&#039;t know anymoe than we do now, and no one ever does jail time except a low level flunky.

Personally, I wouldn&#039;t care if they hooked every member of Congress up to a lie detector and find out what they knew or didn&#039;t know about a host of issues.  Indeed, it would&#039;t bother me if we incarcerated every single member of Congress (or for that matter, if we shot them all.)

When will we learn that this whole Democrat/Republican power struggle always ends up being a net loser for this country irrespective of who is in power at the moment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you kidding me?  Seriously.  Are you joking?</p>
<p>Nancy Pelosi is incapable of telling the truth.  The evidence is overwhelming.</p>
<p>These after the fact &#8220;investigations&#8221; are a waste of time of money. We won&#8217;t know anymoe than we do now, and no one ever does jail time except a low level flunky.</p>
<p>Personally, I wouldn&#8217;t care if they hooked every member of Congress up to a lie detector and find out what they knew or didn&#8217;t know about a host of issues.  Indeed, it would&#8217;t bother me if we incarcerated every single member of Congress (or for that matter, if we shot them all.)</p>
<p>When will we learn that this whole Democrat/Republican power struggle always ends up being a net loser for this country irrespective of who is in power at the moment?</p>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 23:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I think hearings would be a good thing. First, CIA officials would have to testify under oath, which would be quite interesting. Second, the GOP can hardly call for hearings on Pelosi without acknowledging that hearings on Bush et al are also justified. Finally, legislators have no culpability here. They were not involved in decision making, or even in an &quot;advice and consent&quot; capacity. They were just *briefed* and then forbidden from speaking out publicly or even discussing with their colleagues. Hoekstra is playing a very dangerous card here, and the Dems could simply say, OK, hearings all around. You asked for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I think hearings would be a good thing. First, CIA officials would have to testify under oath, which would be quite interesting. Second, the GOP can hardly call for hearings on Pelosi without acknowledging that hearings on Bush et al are also justified. Finally, legislators have no culpability here. They were not involved in decision making, or even in an &#8220;advice and consent&#8221; capacity. They were just *briefed* and then forbidden from speaking out publicly or even discussing with their colleagues. Hoekstra is playing a very dangerous card here, and the Dems could simply say, OK, hearings all around. You asked for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tosk59</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tosk59</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 22:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.... the head of the CIA... That&#039;d be Panetta.. right? What a surprise that he&#039;s muddying the waters!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;. the head of the CIA&#8230; That&#8217;d be Panetta.. right? What a surprise that he&#8217;s muddying the waters!!</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Schmidt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 20:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, WaPooPravda, the owner of this website is also guilty of parroting the Neocon-Fascist propaganda.

No wonder they are going bankrupt like the rest of the MSM.

Long live the internet and credible sources of the news:
Buzzflash.com
Crooksandliars.com
Mediamatters.org
Consortiumnews.com
Smirkingchimp.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, WaPooPravda, the owner of this website is also guilty of parroting the Neocon-Fascist propaganda.</p>
<p>No wonder they are going bankrupt like the rest of the MSM.</p>
<p>Long live the internet and credible sources of the news:<br />
Buzzflash.com<br />
Crooksandliars.com<br />
Mediamatters.org<br />
Consortiumnews.com<br />
Smirkingchimp.com</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Schmidt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 20:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They hyped up the accusation.

Now watch them downplay the retraction, if there is any retraction at all.

It doesn&#039;t matter though, because the damage they wanted to inflict on the Democrats has already been done. Millions of people now incorrectly believe the Democrats are just as guilty as the Weepublicans when it comes to torture.

Of course in reality, the Democratic mole hill of occasional indiscretion or stupidity simply does not equate with the Weepublican mountain of habitual criminality and purposeful malfeasance, again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They hyped up the accusation.</p>
<p>Now watch them downplay the retraction, if there is any retraction at all.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter though, because the damage they wanted to inflict on the Democrats has already been done. Millions of people now incorrectly believe the Democrats are just as guilty as the Weepublicans when it comes to torture.</p>
<p>Of course in reality, the Democratic mole hill of occasional indiscretion or stupidity simply does not equate with the Weepublican mountain of habitual criminality and purposeful malfeasance, again.</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 20:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>of course it&#039;s a best recollection issue...as is any report executed after the fact...the issue will be whether or not the MFRs were submitted contemporaneously...if a briefer writes a report 2 hours after a briefing, has notes from what the briefing was to cover, and has attendees confirming that the subject matter intended to cover actually was, I&#039;m taking that over the lone dissent, developed 6 years later. If Pelosi has contemporaneous notes from the briefings, let&#039;s see them. Pelosi briefed one month after the EIT began on Zubaydah, and she was briefed only on hypotheticals? To ask is to answer...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of course it&#8217;s a best recollection issue&#8230;as is any report executed after the fact&#8230;the issue will be whether or not the MFRs were submitted contemporaneously&#8230;if a briefer writes a report 2 hours after a briefing, has notes from what the briefing was to cover, and has attendees confirming that the subject matter intended to cover actually was, I&#8217;m taking that over the lone dissent, developed 6 years later. If Pelosi has contemporaneous notes from the briefings, let&#8217;s see them. Pelosi briefed one month after the EIT began on Zubaydah, and she was briefed only on hypotheticals? To ask is to answer&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Standarddisclaimer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Standarddisclaimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 19:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why all the excitement over a boilerplate disclaimer?  Everything you ever have and will read is based on &quot;best recollections.&quot;  Heck, the fact that George Bush was once president is only my best recollection.  It may not be true at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why all the excitement over a boilerplate disclaimer?  Everything you ever have and will read is based on &#8220;best recollections.&#8221;  Heck, the fact that George Bush was once president is only my best recollection.  It may not be true at all.</p>
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		<title>By: RH Potfry</title>
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		<dc:creator>RH Potfry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 17:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all about that sacred plausible deniability, isn&#039;t it, Greg?  You don&#039;t want to prove that she didn&#039;t know about it, your job is to make sure there&#039;s just the slightest possibility that it might not be true, therefore giving Madam Speaker some thin ice from which to issue a shrill denial.

You are pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all about that sacred plausible deniability, isn&#8217;t it, Greg?  You don&#8217;t want to prove that she didn&#8217;t know about it, your job is to make sure there&#8217;s just the slightest possibility that it might not be true, therefore giving Madam Speaker some thin ice from which to issue a shrill denial.</p>
<p>You are pathetic.</p>
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