Comments on: Cheney Calls On Obama To Declassify Torture Intel He Wants

By: JohnV

JohnV — Sat, 23 May 2009 21:26:13 +0000

I think Cheney is playing a game he is going to lose. I see fear on his face. I think he may feel he may be charged with a crime. If I was the president I would put everything on the table and let the chips fall where the may.

By: Redshift

Redshift — Thu, 21 May 2009 21:45:19 +0000

“Hi, my name is Dick Cheney, and by demanding the release of secret documents that will prove me right, I’m creating a conspiracy theory that such documents exist. If they don’t, my flying monkeys will forever believe that the government is just withholding them.”

By: Debra

Debra — Thu, 21 May 2009 20:52:47 +0000

Watching Cheney today it was easy to see how he took over Bush’s presidency because of his self-described years of experience and supreme knowledge of defense, until Cheney screwed up so bad that finally Bush started limiting Cheney’s access to the oval office. Now Cheney is trying to push another elected president, Obama, out of the way, or at least into following his unlawful methods for national security that even Bush rejected during the last term.
Somebody really should remind Cheney that he was never the president and never the commander-in-chief. He was nothing more than an adviser until Bush wisely quit listening.

By: holyhandgrenaid

holyhandgrenaid — Thu, 21 May 2009 20:14:43 +0000

sbj,
It wasn’t a truth commission. It was a Pelosi commission. An absolutely politically motivated and asinine bill.

Also, wrong, only 49 other senate dems betrayed the President.
(Harkin, Durbin, Whitehouse, Reed, Leahy, and Levin supported the president and Kennedy, Byrd, and Rockefeller were absent)

By: sbj

sbj — Thu, 21 May 2009 19:37:43 +0000

Tena:

The link indicates that the Repub resolution was deemed out of order, then the Repubs appealed, forcing the Dems to uphold the deeming of the resolution as out of order. Hence, in effect, the Dems voted against a resolution to create a Truth Commission while the Repubs voted to support one.

I won’t eat those words as they are not mine – that’s why you see the quotes.

“Harry Reid betrayed him in the Senate.”

Ha! Harry and 55 other Senate Dems!

By: Tena

Tena — Thu, 21 May 2009 19:24:12 +0000

“Like it or not, Jenn, “Congress gives Obama cover for not closing GITMO and Obama’s forward-looking-but-blaming-everything-on-Bush speech gives Congress cover for not pursuing the spurious charges of its Democratic members.””

Dude or dudette – you are so going to eat those words when Obama closes Gitmo. The entire reason he was so pissed off today is because Harry Reid betrayed him in the Senate.

Duh! You don’t really get half of what is happening and that half you don’t get right. Jenn D said what you turned around and repeated. She put the whole context in. You left it out again.

By: sbj

sbj — Thu, 21 May 2009 19:19:25 +0000

Jenn – you have no comprehension. The Republicans howled BECAUSE it was at first deemed out of order. The Dems were FORCED to vote and ONLY two Repubs defected while 172 did not.

“Republicans howled in protest as the resolution was ruled out of order. Bishop appealed and Democrats were forced to hold a vote on tabling the appeal.”

C’mon now!

Like it or not, Jenn, “Congress gives Obama cover for not closing GITMO and Obama’s forward-looking-but-blaming-everything-on-Bush speech gives Congress cover for not pursuing the spurious charges of its Democratic members.”

http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=14937

It’s business as usual in Washington.

By: Jenn D

Jenn D — Thu, 21 May 2009 19:08:28 +0000

First of all sbj, you should read the entire context, it was an amendment that was placed onto an FAA funding bill and was deemed out of order, even Republican’s howled at the idea (see link)…however, besides all that, here’s the thing, the truth commission should involve EVERYONE, not just Pelosi, which is the way the GOP is attempting to frame it and limit the probe…I know the GOP is use to having it both ways, but not anymore – if a probe is opened, EVERYONE is on the table, not just Pelosi, sheesh, talk about cherry picking!!!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0509/Two_GOPers_buck_leaders_on_antiPelosi_vote.html?showall

By: sbj

sbj — Thu, 21 May 2009 18:35:26 +0000

I thought the Dems supported a Truth Commission?

“House Democrats on Thursday defeated a Republican push to investigate House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s claims that the CIA misled her in 2002 about whether waterboarding had been used against terrorism suspects. The House voted 252-172 to block the measure that would have created a bipartisan congressional panel.”

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D98AOBGO0&show_article=1

By: Tena

Tena — Thu, 21 May 2009 18:33:29 +0000

“We have two diametrically opposed views of America. We get to pick ”

I think we have. And it appears more of us are choosing every day.

\”New Pew Poll Shows Major Democratic Gains, GOP Deteriorating”

from Huffpo’s front page.

By: AllButCertain

AllButCertain — Thu, 21 May 2009 18:17:40 +0000

Tena and SG – It’s worth combining your points. Cheney is delusionally trying to be more popular than Obama by making the case for torture (so he’s not indicted for it) while Obama is explaining, clarifying, and setting a strategy on national security and how to effect transparency in government. It’s a pretty clear choice here. We have two diametrically opposed views of America. We get to pick whether to cower in fear or to believe we can attend to national security without abandoning our founding documents, which make it a country worth keeping. Who wants to live in that dark world Cheney has conjured for us? It’s a smaller and smaller place.

By: Tena

Tena — Thu, 21 May 2009 17:43:58 +0000

sgwhite – you nailed it down, had it stated and framed.

It’s not the same subject.

By: sgwhiteinfla

sgwhiteinfla — Thu, 21 May 2009 17:43:35 +0000

Check out Lawrence O’Donnell on Dick Cheney’s speech. MSNBC needs to give him his own show.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7YuB6O1BAU

By: sgwhiteinfla

sgwhiteinfla — Thu, 21 May 2009 17:37:24 +0000

Its sad that the media is still trying to paint the speeches as a debate. The President was trying to explain to the American people what his plans are for closing GITMO, keeping us all safe and moving forward with transparency. Dick Cheney was trying to convince people that he shouldn’t be in jail. They were not even talking about the same subject.

By: Tena

Tena — Thu, 21 May 2009 17:26:24 +0000

Cheney is so dammed crazy – he’s trying to win a popularity contest with Barrack Obama. I don’t care what the issue is – that’s just insane.