Happy Hour Roundup
* Obama, in releasing the White House’s report today on the foiled airline bomb plot, didn’t say that much that was new, but he did take full responsibility for the “systemic failure” leading to the near-disaster. Read his full remarks here.
* Obama seemed to take a hard swipe at Cheney and Cheneyism:
Here at home, we will strengthen our defenses, but we will not succumb to a siege mentality that sacrifices the open society and liberties and values that we cherish as Americans, because great and proud nations don’t hunker down and hide behind walls of suspicion and mistrust. That is exactly what our adversaries want, and so long as I am President, we will never hand them that victory. We will define the character of our country, not some band of small men intent on killing innocent men, women and children.
That’s tantamount to saying that if we succumb to Cheneyite paranoia, we let the terrorists win.
* The White House’s report on the bomb plot is right here. Happy digging, and please let me know what you find, though it doesn’t look like there’s a great deal new in it.
* An early tidbit from the report: “A misspelling of Abdulmutallab’s name initially resulted in State Department believing he did not have a valid U.S. visa.”
* Justin Elliott ferrets out another tidbit: Adbulmutallab’s father knew he’d come under influence of extremists, but didn’t seem to know about the bombing plot.
* Good read: Steve Benen adds some crucial context explaining the Obama administration’s claim that all the Gitmo-terror recidivists may have been released by Bush.
* An absolute must-watch video compilation of Obama using the words “terror,” “terrorist,” “terrorists,” and “terrorism” again, and again, and again, and again…
* Larry King enables and perpetuates the myth that the fact that Rudy Giuliani happened to be Mayor of NYC on 9/11 gives him national security credibility.
* Sam Stein confirms it: At long last, Dawn Johnsen will get a re-nomination push from the White House.
* Ouch! Now GOP staffers are duking it out in private over what to do about Michael Steele.
* Ed Schultz isn’t running for Senate, sorry.
* And Newt Gingrich gives away the game: Says foiled airline bombing gave Pete Hoekstra’s gubernatorial campaign a “boost.”
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Newt, you are a genius: Hoekstra lies about Obama’s response to the failed bombing and so it gives him a boost to take on the job of governing MI? Yeah, if that’s what the desperate people (highest unemployment in the nation?) of that state want then they are in SERIOUSLY deep trouble.
Gingrich might have to redefine the word boost once the dust settles.
I could not resist this one from the Brad Blog. Now I really am gone.
“This just in. More Republican traditional family values…
John Michael Farren, who served as deputy counsel to President George W. Bush, has been charged with strangulation and attempted murder after allegedly choking his wife and beating her with a flashlight.
Police told the Associated Press that Farren attacked his wife at their New Canaan home Wednesday night, two days after she served him with divorce papers.
Remember, we must protect traditional marriage at all costs! Even for attempted Republican murderers and the recently twice-divorced Karl Rove, to whom we must give credit for at least having had the decency of not trying to murder either of his former wives (that we know of).
Furthermore, we hope they don’t try to disbar Farren over this policy difference between him and his wife. Politicizing his belief that she should no longer be alive would just be wrong, set a very bad precedent for future administration attorneys, and put our nation at even greater danger from terrorism.”
Iminca – I read that earlier to day and died laughing.
I should have posted it myself – glad you did.
“Gingrich might have to redefine the word boost once the dust settles.”
lfo – LOL!!!
The most impressive combover in the Senate:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/most-impressive-combover-senate
Greg – you’re right he didn’t say much new, but he does say all of this in ways that are entirely different from what we were used to and that always fills me with a kind of relief.
I mean – we listened to Commander CooCoo Bananas on Terror Terror Terror for 7 years and it was awful.
Finally, a factually accurate Weekly Standard article.
Tena–a very big difference actually. He took responsibility, the people saw a sober assessment and Brennan and Napolitano were fantastic too. So glad to have a grown up in the WH.
To me the relief is still as immediate as it was the day we elected him and I knew Bush was really leaving.
I still believe in him and I still feel the same optimism – though I’ll admit it’s been bloodied and bruised right along with the president.
Thing is that maybe my perspective is so different because I’m not living in a progressive part of the country. I’m frakking grateful for any progress we can get out of this time in power. I’ve lived under Bush rule since he took over as our governor here. Goodhair is just Bush all over again.
When you live someplace like this – and especially if you practice a liberal form of law in a place like this, you learn to lose a lot and you learn patience and you learn to be deeply grateful for every inch you can possibly wrest back from the GOP and the Religious Right and the Oil Bidness and the Insurance Industry, which runs the Dallas legal establishment. Mostly I feel like an underground guerilla fighter here and it’s hard to be accused of not being on the right side of the left, when one feels that way.
Yeah Tena, we seem to be on the exact same page.
Good link to the Benen piece, Greg. Tried to raise these issues about Gitmo in the earlier thread. Benen does it much better than I did, as usual.
Any conversation about Gitmo has to first be forensic: what were the intentions, then the steps taken, what is the legal context, the security context, the unintended consequences of policies carried out as they were with Gitmo, and so on. Those on the right screaming that it was a necessity will always have to ignore the contextual details.
Or, to baldly summarize, the GOP isn’t good at tasks that involve hard work and effective management.
lfo – thank the gods and goddesses.
BGinCHI – yeah, he’s careful. That’s one of the things I love about Obama – he’s careful. He doesn’t just do things.
I always had the feeling about Bush that he didn’t do anything until he was forced to and then he always acted like he resented the hell out of having to come out and explain anything at all that he was doing or thinking of doing or had done. Ever. I got downright ugly with the press and public more than once during pressers – that’s where all that podium pounding “I’m the Deciderer” s*h*i*t came from.
And another reason I get crazy when people claim he’s just like Bush.
He got downright ugly –
though I am sure I’ve been known to.
Now that the President has stated that we are not going to allow a gang of terrorists to force the USA into a cowardly Siege Mentality, I expect that all those Right Wing Bed Wetters, like QB, and “Troops” will go through their massive inventory of Pampers in record time.
Looks like Huffington Post isn’t even trying to hide it any longer and has decided to be a stage for Republicans to post their bull ****. Wonder when people will realize Huffington Post has acted as a trojan horse and will now try and torpedo this administration.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-pataki/the-obama-administrations_b_414058.html
“will now try and torpedo this administration.”
Mike – all I have to say is NOW? I thought that had kind of been the running idea for awhile.
LOL
MikefromArlington – I just fanned your comment – though it’s being held for consideration and I am steadily losing fans over there myself.
LOL
Every time I look I have fewer.
I am of to watch the College Football championship game.
Good night to you all.
One love, Liam.
Mike, I saw that last night and commented over there. Pataki? Horrible.
Is the HP defense that they are trying to broaden their appeal? If so, they’ve chosen an idiot to do it.
At least if it were a smart conservative that would be one thing (a rare breed, but there are some still in captivity).
I’m not ready yet to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but I’m suspicious. But then again, I’m always suspicious. Wonder what Linkins, for ex., thinks of his new blog-mate?
Maybe if I knew what HuffingtonPost’s mission statement really was –
I don’t mind a mixture of opinions, but it would be helpful if Arianna wasn’t also one of those people who gets treated as one of the Voices of Liberalism.
Greg:
Obama seemed to take a hard swipe at Cheney and Cheneyism
Or, more accurately, Obama seemed to take a hard swipe at the loony left’s caricature of Cheney and Cheneyism.
When has Cheney ever suggested that the nation succomb to a seige mentality that sacrifices the open society and liberties and values that we cherish as Americans? Or anything even like it?
Scott, those two questions should be enshrined in the Rhetorical Question Hall of Fame.
Why Scott, Cheney has always been the soul of America’s Liberty and Open Society.
He’s practically the Icon of The Values We Cherish as American Nazis…oops, I mean Americans.
Greg:
And Newt Gingrich gives away the game: Says foiled airline bombing gave Pete Hoekstra’s gubernatorial campaign a “boost.”
Nice deception, Greg. What Gingrich actually said was that, in light of the attempted bombing, he is getting “a boost out of having been Intelligence Committee chairman”.
Horrors!!! To suggest that, after an attempted attack on the nation, someone with intelligence experience would see his electoral chances increase. What a despicable “game” the right is playing.
Totally OT, and egregiously shallow, but when I first found out that Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins had broken up, I was sad.
Now I’m just jealous – she’s a number of years older than I am and she’s out with 32 year old guys. You rock, Susan. Thank you Susan for making me feel like a viable woman again. Maybe I’ll come hang out with you – which I read you’re doing a lot of.
BG:
those two questions should be enshrined in the Rhetorical Question Hall of Fame.
Just because you have no answer doesn’t mean they were intended to be rhetorical.
“Just because you have no answer doesn’t mean they were intended to be rhetorical.”
[rollseyes]
That was very lame, Scott. But not nearly as lame as attempting to defend Dick Cheney of all people.
You must be among the 6 or 7 people left in the world who refuse to admit that Cheney is an immoral monster who is incapable of telling the truth.
I’m surprised they haven’t banned me tbh. I go right after AH often.
It appears the site is moving more towards The Daily Beast format, giving voice to both sides but is using Drudge like hysterics to antagonize bloggers to duke it out in the threads.
Huffington Post is no longer a Progressive blog, make no mistake. I just hope people over there realize they are being slowly turned.
“. I go right after AH often.”
Lately I do the same thing. I go right to her posts and ask her questions I’d like answers to.
Pete Hoekstra is a blabbing idiot. Not surprised Newt would think that. I notice he keeps opening his mouth in an attempt to remain relevant.
“is using Drudge like hysterics to antagonize bloggers to duke it out in the threads.”
You have totally hit the nail on the head with that – you couldn’t be more right and that’s what she’s after.
mikefromArlington – you’re one of the people I can talk to about this freely – this anti-corporatist thing – I get it but in the abstract, I often wonder if those people really understand what a corporation is. It was one of the most democratic economic ideas anyone had come with – publicly owned businesses.
I know where it’s gone and I know what’s gone wrong, but as a lawyer, I remember my Business Associations classes very well and I understand both the legal idea and the original intent of using that public form of organizing industry.
And I shake my head with a little bemused smile every time someone goes off on Corporations like they were straight out of Satan’s Handbook.
Tena:
You must be among the 6 or 7 people left in the world who refuse to admit that Cheney is an immoral monster who is incapable of telling the truth.
Typical. You think the cloistered universe of looney lefties that you inhabit represents “the world”.
And still, your argument consists not of evidence that Obama’s characterization is representative of anything Cheney has ever said, but rather of mere insistence that “everyone” believes the idiotic things that you believe.
Yeah SCott – whatever. Checked Cheney’s favorables?
He’s down in the teens and has been for years. You go on and believe the nonsense you tell yourself about Dick Frakking Cheney.
SMH
Yeah, Beloved old Snarlin Uncle Dick Cheney the Torturer.
People loves him.
Cheney does not represent the America I want to live in and I’ll never refrain from calling that savage out any time he speaks his paranoid, borderline schizophrenic mind.
Cheney ran the Govn’t the first four years I believe since Bush was a complete ignoramus who had no interest in making serious decisions. The last four years were required to clean up the first four years of disastrous decisions Cheney made, ie, torture, reckless warmongering, international isolationism, etc etc etc.
We’ll be cleaning up Dick Cheney’s nasty mess for a lot longer than those 4 years, mike.
Mike – I’m bad – Arianna has a post pushing this book about a “transnational” class of elites that has rigged the system so they can “institutionalize their subversion of it.”
I left her a comment:
They are called…The Illuminati.
Tee hee
Tena:
Checked Cheney’s favorables?
And low “favorables” translates in your mind into “an immoral monster who is incapable of telling the truth.” I confess that I have rarely met anyone, much less a trained lawyer, who is as incapable of rational thought and making a reasoned argument as you.
It’s interesting that in the last two days I’ve seen Dodd’s name bantied about to replace Geithner, now that there is so much speculation regarding the AIG emails. Of course, it’s probably just wishful thinking on someones part.
What I find so interesting is that Sen. Dorgan is one person who is quite critical of the Fed and the Treasury but his name hasn’t been mentioned to my knowledge. He’s the one with the integrity, the foresight as well as the expertise to run Treasury. He’s actually been warning Congress since 1974 that we were involved in “Risky Business”
Sure wish, if Geithner is to be replaced, someone would talk to Dorgan about replacing him. Afterall, Dodd had his own issues with AIG and Countrywide that might not make him the best fit.
And Tena, now that I know where you stand on corporations and completely mis-understand what I am referring to, I realize why we clash so often.
Bernie (if you are out there at all):
On Dec 30, in response my questioning whether you believed we were in a war with Islamic terrorists, you said:
Imagining/hoping that the application of simplistic terminology and concepts to that which is complex will somehow create order elsewhere besides your own noggin is probably a fool’s pursuit.
Today, addressing the nation, President Obama said:
We are at war. We are at war against al Qaeda, a far-reaching network of violence and hatred that attacked us on 9/11, that killed nearly 3,000 innocent people, and that is plotting to strike us again. And we will do whatever it takes to defeat them.
So, my question(s) to you now:
1)Do you believe Obama is also engaged in a “fool”s pursuit” for applying simple terminology and concepts to a complex situation?
2)Or do you believe that Obama is not being honest with the American people about his true sense of the situation we are in regarding AQ?
3)Or, does your view of whether or not it is a “fool’s pursuit” to use the word “war” to describe our situation change depending upon whether you share the speaker’s politics (in other words, are you simply a hypocrite)?
I look forward to your response.
From Josh Marshall regarding today’s speech and what we’ve learned so far about the Christmas would be bomber.
“I haven’t seen any mention of how quickly the administration tried to release as much info as it could to the public vs. Bush’s endless stonewalling when it came to releasing any info that could prove politically damaging. Could you imagine Bush offering up this kind of report to the public without a subpoena?”
“that’s where all that podium pounding “I’m the Deciderer” s*h*i*t came from”
You obviously spent 7 years observing delusions, not reality.
Can you point to even one instance of this, let alone seven years of it?
lms, thanks for posting Marshall’s comment. It seems like a mundane thing to do (or to have to say), but this is at least a move in the direction of transparency. Sometimes we want absolutes and are disappointed; but sometimes governmental change is slow and we should note when, relatively speaking (compared to Bush), it’s a big change.
“We will define the character of our country, not some band of small men intent on killing innocent men, women and children.”
That’s a nice sentiment. The reality is that we now accept our enemies’ definition of us, we apologize to the world for it, we accede to our enemies’ wishes. We blame ourselves for terrorism against us. Or, rather, Obama does.
Very useful reading on TPM regarding return of detainees from Gitmo. This nicely tracks how the numbers are arrived at, how this gets disseminated, etc.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/nyt_runs_faulty_headline_in_guantanamo_ex-detainee_story_–_again.php?ref=fpb
OK, I admit it, Cheney is a monster.
Ah…very nice. Someone is now pretending to be me. How clever.
Good night all.
Torturing people is letting Al Qaeda define us for certain. QB is the American version of Al Qaeda, and “he” has chosen to be so because he has chosen to embrace their behavior towards their enemies instead of following the rule of law.
Dick Cheney is the former vice-president whose national security expertise was central to his appeal in 2000 as Bush’s running mate. Yet within nine months, Cheney presided over the worst attack on American soil in US history, failed to capture its perpetrators, failed to bring any of its plotters to justice, made convicting them much harder because he secretly and illegally authorized their brutal torture, and recruited a new and young wave of Jihadists by the exposure of the barbarism at Gitmo, Bagram, Camp Cropper, Camp Nama and the various black torture sites he helped set up across the globe. For good measure, Cheney also lost the war in Afghanistan and his closest confidant Don Rumsfeld lost the war in Iraq (the success of the subsequent “surge” will be tested this year as troops withdraw). Under Cheney, for good measure, both Iran and North Korea made huge strides toward getting nukes.
Not only did Cheney allow bin Laden to escape in Tora Bora, he also helped radicalize many actually innocent prisoners (three quarters of those thrown into the torture camp at Gitmo were innocent of any charges), and then set many of these radicalized new Jihadists free to wreak further terror on the US and the world.
In fact, an Obama administration official has asserted that all the former Gitmo prisoners who have become Jihadists upon release were set free by Bush and Cheney. Just as Cheney had bin Laden in his grasp and allowed his fathomless incompetence to lose him, he has actually helped create and then unleash Jihadists across the world.
How this utter failure gets to pontificate on terror after his disastrous record is beyond me. But then, Mike Allen would have fewer pageviews, wouldn’t he?
I recommend anyone who watched Obama’s security announcement go back and watch the Inaugural address last year…
“As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals. Our Founding Fathers — (applause) — our Founding Fathers, faced with perils that we can scarcely imagine, drafted a charter to assure the rule of law and the rights of man — a charter expanded by the blood of generations. Those ideals still light the world, and we will not give them up for expedience sake. (Applause.)”
This is the essence of Obama’s response to terrorist attempts, in fact… I am going to boldly state that his speech that day (provided we don’t collapse as a nation) will go down as one of the best as history. It really resonated with me at the time,and continues to do so now.
Way upstream, BGinCHI said:
“Or, to baldly summarize, the GOP isn’t good at tasks that involve hard work and effective management.”
To which I reply, “YES!” Now how do we communicate that to the rest of the country, and especially independents sitting on the fence?
Way upstream, BGinCHI summed up what should be the Dem strategy going forward:
“Or, to baldly summarize, the GOP isn’t good at tasks that involve hard work and effective management.”
To which I reply, “YES!” Now how do we communicate that to the rest of the country, and especially independents sitting on the fence?
Duplicate posts are your friend.
For the pottie mouthed newbie, “mike from Arlington” and his uneducated ‘mean girl’ sidekick “Tena”:
http://HuffingtonPost.com
Actual news with a progressive spin.
Not precanned nonsense from Obama’s Leader Followers.
Today HuffingtonPost.com points to a TIME.com magazine article about the skyrocketing housing foreclosure crisis that Obama has failed to adequately address because Obama’s right wing corporatist ideology has left him subservient to the Banksters even while millions of Americans are being foreclosed on:
http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1952132,00.html
Oh, sure, it would have been worse under a Republican President, he/she would be completely gutting any help received by foreclosed families while being absolute puppets of the corporate Banksters.
Obama is certainly make noises of concern about those foreclosed families and providing the pretense of “hope” for those families with chump “change” even though he knows that small “change” is only actually reaching an very, very TINY fraction of those in need.
Obama’s right wing corporatist ideology is increasingly revealing itself as Hollywood entertainer Reagan’s fraudulent “trickle down” economics.
Obama gives his Bankster buddies lots of money and then the Banksters ignore Obama’s obsequious “nudges” to ‘do the right thing’.
And Obama’s Leader Followers wonder why actual progressives, who were warning of this at the beginning of this year (and last year and years before that) are so increasingly disgusted by Obama’s paralyzing inaction….
But, hey, small “change” is better than NO change, right?
Enough of these fake azz democrats, whining malcontents incessantly linking to clumsy huffingtonpost or firedoglake – when you start parroting right wing talking points you have officially achieved the full ******.
“Huffington Post is no longer a Progressive blog, make no mistake. I just hope people over there realize they are being slowly turned.”
Exactly Mike, the Huffington Post has become a joke. A journalistic pair of clown shoes where writers desperately try to outdo each other, seeing which one can successfully pull off the regurgitation of right wing memes without completely looking like Newt Gingrich.
Paul W. (from Obama):
As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals.
This is a mindless slogan. No thinking person believes it. Not even those in his own party believe it. Nancy Pelosi, on September 17, 2009:
We are a free country, and this balance between freedom and safety is one that we have to carefully balance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-S3Q_hTuWU
From AP this morning:
NEW YORK – Two men have been arrested in connection with the investigation of a bomb plot against New York City.
FBI Special Agent Richard Kolko says Adis Medunjanin and Zarein Ahmedzay were arrested early Friday in New York.
The FBI says the arrests were part of “an ongoing investigation.” The charges were not immediately detailed.
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Medunjanin’s attorney says the FBI seized his client’s passport on Thursday. Robert C. Gottlieb says he was not officially notified that his client had been arrested after being treated for minor injuries from a traffic accident.
Gottlieb says the search warrant indicates the passport was sought as part of an investigation into a conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction.
Najibullah Zazi has previously pleaded not guilty to that charge.
The Colorado airport driver is accused of getting al-Qaida training to build homemade bombs to attack New York City.
dax
You can try to shut down debate about some of the concerns a few of us have about Obama’s decisions and the decisions of this Congress, especially regarding financial regulation, but it won’t work. I have discussed the head wind he faces because of the staggering amount of money being thrown at Congress by the financial sector. The only way to highlight that is to keep bringing up the way they game the system, whether it’s banks or the insurance industry. These are not “benevolent” corporations that deserve a “bemused” little “fat cat” terminology to whip them into shape.
You probably missed the story the other day about the freshman Dems on Frank’s banking committee meeting in secret with big bank CEO’s in the guise of a fundraiser. Is this Obama’s fault, of course not, is it in the best interest of the citizens of this country, ahhhh no. Oh wait the story was at one of those dreaded websites.
You can read all points of view and make your own reasoned decisions and have an opinion or you can try to censor out the opinions that don’t agree with you and hope for the best. It’s up to you.
All, morning roundup posted:
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/terrorism/the-morning-plum-45/
“You can try to shut down debate about some of the concerns a few of us have about Obama’s decisions and the decisions of this Congress, especially regarding financial regulation, but it won’t work.”
Whining about “shutting down debate” is just people’s lame attempt to silence critics of democratic nihilists like yourself – and that my friend won’t work. Sorry.
“Oh wait the story was at one of those dreaded websites.”
More intellectual dishonesty. Those same “dreaded websites”, while occasionally doing good – have played a gleeful divide and conquer routine. Oh, those dreaded websites.
“or you can try to censor out the opinions that don’t agree with you and hope for the best. ”
..again, no one is trying to censor debate and I will call you on that cowardly tactic each time.
“Whining about “shutting down debate” is just people’s lame attempt to silence critics of democratic nihilists like yourself – and that my friend won’t work. Sorry.”
And calling people fake azz democrats doesn’t exactly work either. Suit yourself.
“..again, no one is trying to censor debate and I will call you on that cowardly tactic each time.”
Of course you’re not.
@lmsinca: It’s hard to believe that you are receiving the kind of cr@p you are – from your own side!
It’s kinda sad listening to Obama’s Leader Followers trying to FALSELY sell right wing corporatism as the ‘new improved progressivism’ even while they are absolutely REJECTING actual progressivism.
It’s the difference between following principles and Following a Leader.
http://HuffingtonPost.com
sbj
I’m tough, I can take it. Just trying to keep it real. You and I still don’t agree on much so that hasn’t changed anyway.
“mike from Arlington”, who didn’t start paying attention to politics until February of 2008 and is clearly too full of his own ignorance to understand what the various approaches to politics are, apparently thinks that Leader Following represents a replacement for Following Principles.
Apparently “dax/Jax” is coming from the same desperately uninformed place as Leader Follower “mike from Arlington”.
Let’s be clear, Obama has repeatedly rejected progressivism and Obama has repeatedly rejected progressive’s advice.
Best I understand there isn’t a single progressive economist on Obama’s team (Biden’s team doesn’t count).
Obama’s team is full of right wing corporatists (Geithner, Bernanke, Summers…) who are handing billions to Banksters while stiffing the American public.
This wouldn’t need being repeatedly pointed out if folk like “dax/Jax” and “mike from Arlington” and “Tena” weren’t trying to FALSELY sell this right wing corporatist ideology as something it’s not.
What’s especially disturbing is that they are apparently not even aware that they are pushing a toxic right wing corporatist ideology.
“And calling people fake azz democrats doesn’t exactly work either. Suit yourself.”
It works for me. That said, I can’t exactly see how that is “shutting down debate”. If such sentiments are the equivalent to Darth Vader’s “Force choke” then that’s entirely on you.
“Of course you’re not.”
I’m glad you caught on.(I mean, you have a retarded child’s uptake, but I’m glad you finally caught on)
“I’m tough, I can take it. Just trying to keep it real. You and I still don’t agree on much so that hasn’t changed anyway.”
Don’t believe that nonsense sbj, she/can’t take it – they haven’t taken it thus far.
“Apparently “dax/Jax” is coming from the same desperately uninformed place as Leader Follower “mike from Arlington”.”
Like most of your clumsy ramblings, that truly prove that you are a product of inbreeding, you don’t know your backside from a hole in the ground. Not exactly a shocking development.
“Let’s be clear, Obama has repeatedly rejected progressivism and Obama has repeatedly rejected progressive’s advice.”
But anyone who is honest with themselves, or didn’t petulantly project what they wanted on to Obama during the campaign – will admit that Obama was no Dennis Kucinich. He was always a pragmatic centrist, anyone who takes issue with that is a drooling, glass licking, ******.
“Best I understand there isn’t a single progressive economist on Obama’s team (Biden’s team doesn’t count).”
They still serve under Obama.(inbred caveat fail on your part)