Progressive Group’s Ad Tells Olympia Snowe: “No Triggers”
This has to be the first ad by a progressive group that directly targets the idea of a public option with a “trigger,” which is the emerging compromise for Senator Olympia Snowe and some centrist Dems, and perhaps also the White House.
Two lefty groups are running an ad in Maine targeting Snowe and demanding that she drop the idea of a “trigger” compromise and support a real public option:
The ad, by the Progressive Change Campaign Committee and Democracy for America, is a newly edited version of an earlier spot pressuring Snowe to support a public option. The new version tells Snowe to support a “strong public option — no delays or triggers.”
The new one is a response to the news that Snowe and the White House may be privately negotiating a proposal that would include a trigger in exchange for her support.
In other words, the spot is basically an effort to close down her escape hatches, one by one, and box her into supporting a real public option, which is supported by a solid majority of her Maine constituents.
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Could someone please correct me if I am wrong? – the Baucus bill currently not only has no triggered public option, it has no public option at all.
“the Baucus bill currently not only has no triggered public option, it has no public option at all.”
Wrong. Two amendments were introduced into the bill yesterday and both call for public option.
And they passed? Could you link me to some of the details?
PO designed by liberals in House save $85 BILLION more than Blue Dogs’ plan:
“House leaders Thursday released CBO estimates for liberals’ preferred version of the public option that show $85 billion more in savings than for the version the Blue Dogs prefer.”
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/9/25/786321/-Winning-the-argument
The public is on our side. The CBO is on our side. The debate is pretty much over. Once the SFC gets its bill out (with or without the PO), we will have a strong public option in the final package.
Tena, Rockefeller’s and Schumer’s PO amendments were postponed until Tuesday.
Effective.
sbj – I didn’t say they passed – they haven’t voted yet AFAIK.
Chuck Schumer said that the Rockefeller Amendment and his amendment both contained public option and both were introduced yesterday.
I saw an interview with Schumer on Hardball.
“the Baucus bill currently not only has no triggered public option, it has no public option at all.”
This is not wrong–it is correct. The bill as currently written has no PO of any sort. The two pending amendments are yet to be voted on, and there is some doubt as to whether either one will pass vote in the committee.
Hey sbj your tactics of deception will not work.
I just want to point out that this troll seeks to change the debate by posting a TOTALLY IRRELEVANT TOPIC.
We CANNOT let the fool troll get his wish. As I said in the last thread, THIS IS THEIR TACTIC. RE-FRAME THE DEBATE.
It’s not working troll.
Dem friends, don’t fall for it.
sbj, even so, the longer war is over whether the final bill that emerges from conference has a public option or one with a trigger. the thinking is that whatever emerges from Finance, the final version can have that stuff, possibly with Snowe’s support.
sbj
Perhaps some of the liberal dollars are going directly right now to the fight for HCR with a public option. As I said earlier, once it passes, money will begin to flow into the coffers of the pols from the grassroots community.
“As I said earlier, once it passes, money will begin to flow into the coffers of the pols from the grassroots community.”
Yep and that’s the only way we counter Big Money with Big Stakes – the grassroots have to financially support the Democrats cause the money has to come from somewhere.
Greg’s last line is the pertinent one here.
Snowe is thoroughly boxed in. She needs to support the PO. She wants to support the PO.
But people HATE the trigger.
So what’s it gonna be Olympia?
Vote against HCR and the wishes of your constituents or try to shove in a trigger that nobody wants but the Republican terrorists?
Or support a STRONG PO.
“the thinking is that whatever emerges from Finance, the final version can have that stuff, possibly with Snowe’s support.”
yes and Schumer was damn confident last night.
“Tena, Rockefeller’s and Schumer’s PO amendments were postponed until Tuesday.”
Thanks.
As I said, Schumer is confident about public option. I just got an email from Credo in which they quote the Speaker on PO – she has said it will be in the House bill, absolutely.
Thanks for the reply, Greg.
“The longer war is over whether the final bill that emerges from conference has a public option or one with a trigger.”
Does a conference bill require a cloture vote? Don’t you assume that there will be 59 Dem votes in the Senate for a conference bill that contains a public option of some sort? I am not sure that is the case.
@Imsinca: “Once it passes, money will begin to flow into the coffers of the pols from the grassroots community.”
The opposite might be true. Why send money after the battle has been won?
He’s acting like the Majority Leader should have this whole time. Finally somebody on the POS SFC stood up. Between him, Rockefeller, Sanders, and Sherrod Brown it’s nice to see some strong leadership, again, finally. And of course, not to be lost, they are standing up not just for Dems in the Senate, but for The People of the USA who are getting screwed DAILY by this unsustainable and inordinately expensive mess of a broken system.
What Baucus reported out of committee, is not written in stone. Within forty eighty hours after he reported it out, Baucus, himself, started making changes to it, because of the heat he was getting from many fellow Democrats in the Senate.
Why on earth would two Democratic Senators each, from the very large states of Illinois, New York, and California, plus from several other sizable states, allow one Senator from the very small state of Montana, to determine what is allowed in a Health Care reform bill.
That would be the ultimate case, of letting a very tiny tail wag several St.Bernards, at the same time.
sbj
To maintain the majority.
sbj, what should Olympia Snowe do?
Regarding the two po amendments, Live Pulse reported:
“Democratic Sens. Schumer and Rockefeller acknowledge that the committee is unlikely to approve one, but Schumer insists it will pass the Senate — a notion Baucus disputes.”
So I don’t think the FC bill will have a public option. It’s like Greg says, the Dems are pinning their hopes that a conference bill will contain a PO. Schumer thinks it can pass, Baucus doesn’t.
I guess we should start analyzing who the members of the conference committee are going to be…
You always seem to try to change the subject to whatever is in the political interests of the Republican Terrorist Party. Isn’t that just *SO* odd?
Just curious what you think Olympia Snowe should do on the PO.
Oh and maybe you can answer for your party — since you are the representative shill here apparently — for why Jon Kyl doesn’t support covering maternity benefits for women.
“I don’t need maternity care,” Kyl said. “So requiring that on my insurance policy is something that I don’t need and will make the policy more expensive.”
So, please respond. Olympia Snowe and John Kyl.
Thanks.
@lmsinca: I agree that’s WHY liberals should send their money in. My point is that folks become complacent after obtaining policy wins and the majority. They just won’t be as motivated as before.
@ethan: I’m a terrorist – we don’t respond to reason.
Greg
Snowe may be boxed in as far as the PO, especially with the CBO report and the cost savings, but the rest of the Republicans boxed themselves into opposing another huge piece of popular legislation, “Civil Rights for the Sick”.
Maybe you can watch the video first, terrorist, and then respond:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jj6pqajvB8&feature=player_embedded
sbj
I don’t think afte 8 years of conservatism any of us will become complacent, especially when you consider the fights that are coming.
Don’t respond, terrorist. Debbie Stabenow did for you:
“I don’t need maternity care,” Kyl said. “So requiring that on my insurance policy is something that I don’t need and will make the policy more expensive.”
Stabenow interrupted: “I think your mom probably did.”
SNAP.
If Snowe votes for a public option, I’ll sleep with her!
Who else is in?
And yes, a conference bill requires a cloture vote. At least that’s what I read last week when I read up on it.
Thanks, Mike. So if a conference bill has a PO we can expect it will also have some awfully nice sweeteners to get the 60 Senate votes. Should be interesting to see how much it takes, earmark-wise, to get some of these votes to flop.
# mike from Arlington | September 25th, 2009 at 01:33 pm
If Snowe votes for a public option, I’ll sleep with her!
Who else is in?
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OK, just as long as it is just sleeping.
I love how those old puritanical labels still survive. “Sleeping with” is what people call having *** with someone, while wide awake.
Speaking of sleeping, I had the best dream last night I’ve maybe ever had – I dreamed Bush showed up somewhere I was and I got to tell him exactly what I think of him. It was awesome.
Edit. S*ex. I keep forgetting that this ridiculous software edits out the word s*ex, and end up making the comment look like something really filthy was said.
Another case of outdated puritanical censoring run amok.
OK…wtf. They don’t have a translator on Achemedinneratjeds right now.
Tena, that’s funny b/c yesterday I had a daydream about punching Karl Rove in the face just for fun. Seriously. And I’ve never hit anyone before in my life. I’d make an exception just for him.
“I don’t think afte 8 years of conservatism any of us will become complacent, especially when you consider the fights that are coming.
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You can have that one framed and hung on the wall. I’m determined that we are not going to lose the majority.
“{Tena, that’s funny b/c yesterday I had a daydream about punching Karl Rove in the face just for fun. Seriously. And I’ve never hit anyone before in my life. I’d make an exception just for him.”
That’s almost better than my dream.
Senator Lisa Murkowski(R) appears to be channeling Granny Palin.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/politics/v-print/story/76012.html
Excerpt:
“Murkowski had sought to amend the Interior Department appropriations bill being considered Thursday by the U.S. Senate, but was blocked from bringing forward her proposal.
It would have forbidden the EPA from working to regulate carbon dioxide emissions from power plants and large manufacturers while the Senate continues to work on its own global warming proposal. It would not have prohibited the agency from continuing work on emission standards from mobile sources, such as automobile emissions.
Murkowski said she agrees emissions need to be brought in check, but said she didn’t believe the EPA, acting under the authority of the Clean Air Act, was the proper agency to do so.
“Very clearly, stationary sources must reduce emissions in order to bring our nation to its climate goals,” she said on the floor of the Senate Thursday. “But forcing them to do so through the Clean Air Act would be one of the least efficient and most damaging ways to pursue that goal. It would be rife with unintended consequences, and could be devastating for our economy.”"
Mass. Senator Kirk is in.
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/60365-court-denies-gop-effort-to-halt-kirk-appointment
Imsinca –
:):)
OK. Now let us get a move on while we have sixty votes. Senator Byrd is looking very frail, so we need to get the health care bill done ASAP.
Sen. Kyl (R-AZ): I don’t need maternity care.
Sen. Stabenow (D-MI): Your mom probably did.
Video at the link.
Why on earth would two Democratic Senators each, from the very large states of Illinois, New York, and California, plus from several other sizable states, allow one Senator from the very small state of Montana, to determine what is allowed in a Health Care reform bill.
Because there are other Dem. senators from small states who also are not on board. There aren’t necessarily sixty Senate Dem. votes behind a public option, so it isn’t as though the sixty votes are a foregone conclusion.
If there were that many votes this legislation would have been enacted by last June at the latest.
“I don’t think afte 8 years of conservatism any of us will become complacent, especially when you consider the fights that are coming.”
The Bush years were not years of conservatism, by and large. He never was a conservative.
“Tena, that’s funny b/c yesterday I had a daydream about punching Karl Rove in the face just for fun. Seriously. And I’ve never hit anyone before in my life. I’d make an exception just for him.”
What a surprise. Ethan fantasizes about violence against conservatives. Just like the good little Stalinist he is. As I said yesterday — it’s only a short step from talking like a Stalinst to acting like one. Like clockwork, the little thug confirms his impulses. And Tena joins in the warm glow they feel together about it.
Yes, you are really the party of love and togetherness.
Quarterback – You would call Karl Rove a conservative???
The Bush years were not years of conservatism, by and large. He never was a conservative.
Not that listening at that time to the conservatives would ever have given you that impression.