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Palin’s Popularity Sinks To A New Low

A fun nugget buried in some new Gallup numbers suggests the slow and clumsy rollout of the new Sarah Palin isn’t going all that well:

Palin became a bit of a sensation after John McCain tapped her as his running mate last August. But over the course of the campaign, her image suffered, going from a 53% favorable rating immediately after the 2008 Republican National Convention to 42% by the end of the campaign.

Palin’s ratings have not recovered, and her current 40% favorable rating is the lowest for her since she became widely known after last year’s Republican convention.

Not only is Palin at her lowest favorability yet, her unfavorability ratings have hit a high of 50%. She’s also tanking among independents: Only 41% view her favorably, versus 48% who view her unfavorably.

Which sugggests a bit of a dilemma for Palin as she seeks to improve her national political profile as a private citizen. In order to break through into the national conversation, she’s resorted to harsh, attention-grabbing assaults on Obama and his policies, which she and her ghostwriters have executed with undeniable virtuosity (see Panels, Death).

This approach seems to have hardened her emotional grip on Palin Nation. Her popularity is soaring among Republicans, with 69% of them viewing her favorably. But it may be alienating everyone else, complicating (to put it mildly) efforts to broaden her appeal, which everyone keep saying she has to do in order to be viable in 2012.

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Posted by Greg Sargent | 10/16/2009, 07:40 AM EST | Categories: Republican Party, polling

82 Responses

  1. Liam | October 16th, 2009 at 07:44 am

    GOING ROGUE is putting Lipstick on a QUITTER!

  2. BBQ | October 16th, 2009 at 07:50 am

    Go get’em Sarah! Please, for the love of everything holy, run in 2012.

    It’s a shame the fiscal conservative wing of the Republican party would likely never let her the nominee, but hopefully the bats**t crazy wing of the Republican party has enough pull to keep her in the running for a while on their own.

    The Republican Presidential Primary is going to be glorious.

  3. amk | October 16th, 2009 at 07:57 am

    “Her popularity is soaring among Republicans, with 69% of them viewing her favorably.”

    Guess that says it all for the racist party.

  4. Liam | October 16th, 2009 at 08:05 am

    A Modest Proposal.

    Why not have Ms.Palin replace Mr. PhlegmBall in the group that is purchasing The St. Louis Rams NFL team.

    She could give the halftime locker room pep speeches, about how to go all mavericky; how to play like real Americans, how to handle split ends, and how to keep an eye on Rusher.

    After the ball has been snapped for the third quarter, she could inspire them to just give up on winning the game, and just quit playing.

  5. Bernie Latham | October 16th, 2009 at 08:34 am

    BBQ said: “It’s a shame the fiscal conservative wing of the Republican party would likely never let her the nominee”

    I doubt that is so if you refer to the Norquist anti-tax crowd. There’s every reason to assume, I think, that her malleability will allow both neoconservative and business interests to see her as quite the perfect candidate.

  6. sgwhiteinfla | October 16th, 2009 at 08:38 am

    Sarah Palin is remaining relevant by doing press releases on her free facebook account. Seriously. Perhaps if people actually decided not to take notice of her until she actually did the work like using real PR people and doing real interviews then her career would die on the vine. But hell if all you need is a facebook account to dominate a news cycle then no matter what her polling numbers are she will still be around for the duration.

  7. Liam | October 16th, 2009 at 08:44 am

    Limbaugh’s Many Hats and Excuses

    http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/484667/print

  8. Liam | October 16th, 2009 at 08:52 am

    General McChrystal has asked for far more Troops(up to 80,000) than are available. He must have known that, because his direct boss, General Petraeus, has to know it, since he is the one who was instrumental in having all the spare Troops sent to Iraq, where they still are.

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/world/v-print/story/77269.html

    What sort of a game is General McChrystal playing here, by requesting a large number of Troops for Afghanistan, which he knows are not available.

    This move does not pass the smell test!

  9. jac | October 16th, 2009 at 08:54 am

    “her unfavorability ratings have hit a high of 50%. She’s also tanking among independents: Only 41% view her favorably, versus 48% who view her unfavorably. Which sugggests a bit of a dilemma for Palin as she seeks to improve her national political profile”

    Greg, this assumes that Palin has aspirations to actually win an election again. I doubt that. She may run again, say for the 2012 Republican nomination, but only as a means to continue to soak the Republican base. So her numbers could sink to 25% favorable / 75% unfavorable and she can continue to rake in the dough.

    Mission accomplished.

  10. Travis | October 16th, 2009 at 08:56 am

    “Her popularity is soaring among Republicans, with 69% of them viewing her favorably. But it may be alienating everyone else, complicating (to put it mildly) efforts to broaden her appeal, which everyone keep saying she has to do in order to be viable in 2012.”

    I think this phenomenon characterizes the dilemma that all potential 2012 Republican candidates will face. Currently, as recent video of Lindsey Graham’s town hall meeting have reiterated, moderation is anathema to the Republican/conservative base.

    So, as things currently stand, no candidate could win the Republican nomination without veering hard to the right; moderate Republicans or even those who entertain policy positions that are deemed “too moderate” (or “liberal”) will be quickly dismissed. Consequently, as candidates vying for the nomination veer so hard to the right, they will alienate most moderates (in their own party and independent voters), and likely undermine their viability as a candidate in the general election.

    According to the base, and some prominent Republicans, Republicans must become MORE conservative in order to win elections, not moderate. They look to polls showing that more Americans consider themselves “conservatives,” or even “moderates,” than “liberals.” These tenuous and ambiguous labels have somehow given them conviction in their aims to expunge moderates. Never mind, that if you asked 10 people to define the term “conservative,” each person would probably emphasize various “conservative” ideals — most of which are not exclusive to the Republican party, and some of which aren’t even unique to the domain of conservatism (e.g., strong family values).

    Nevertheless, they cling to the notion that “real” conservatism is the answer. Yet, they fail to see how that “real” conservatism is being narrowly defined as a bastion that focuses more on exclusivity — across various dimensions (e.g., intellectual, geographical, racial, etc.) — than on our nation’s traditional arc toward inclusiveness.

    Maintaining viability out of the 2012 Republican primaries will be a difficult feat for any candidate. The party has (unwisely) elevated some arguably radical conservative voices and ideas, and they will have to contend with those demons under the bright klieg lights of the American stage they will have all to themselves, since there probably won’t be a distracting Democratic primary.

    Anyone who can accomplish this feat, and still remain viable for a general election will be nothing short of a political genius — a true miracle worker.

  11. BBQ | October 16th, 2009 at 08:57 am

    @Bernie:

    “There’s every reason to assume, I think, that her malleability will allow both neoconservative and business interests to see her as quite the perfect candidate.”

    Eh, that might be true…but I tend to think otherwise. I believe that she’s simply far to unpredictable – due in no small part to her complete lack of understanding in policy – for the big money backers of the Republican party to be comfortable.

    Since she really doesn’t know anything about policy – the fiscal conservatives will feel the need to control her. But she’s shown throughout her history in politics that she’s petty and vindictive, and cannot be wrangled. They know that.

  12. SchrodingersCat | October 16th, 2009 at 08:59 am

    But…but…but….her book is #3 on Amazon. All those msm-types tell me that means we LOVE her.

  13. rukidding | October 16th, 2009 at 09:01 am

    According to Peggy Noonan the selection of Palin to be McCain’s running mate was ‘political bs” At last Peggy says something relevant.

    When you combine the lack of vetting with the blatant attempt to hide their political gimmick I view it as treasonous and traitorous.

    When Rick…the idiot campaign director sat on Morning Joe and told Scarborough that they didn’t HAVE to let the media interview her…it was THEIR campaign..I realized how morally and intellectually bankrupt that campaign in particular and the right in general have become.

    No it was OUR campaign. Nobody ever suggested they couldn’t pick the individual interviewers…and heaven forbid the cowardly GOP candidate would face somebody like Olbermann or Maddow as Obama did going on the O’Reilly show…But they OWED it to us as voters to trot her out to a weekly or at least bi-weekly news conferences open to all credentialed reporters. That is how the American public interviews their candidates.
    Free of ghost writers and handlers…at least as free of handlers as we are able to get them.

    Yes we all now realize why they hid her…Palin is an uninformed, lazy,temperamental, intellectual lightweight, but that simply makes their actions even more repugnant and conspiratorial. If a candidate can’t even hold one open press conference…that’s soooo beyond the pale..it’s simply astounds me that the Repubs got away with that. Ahhh but then they didn’t did they…they got their arses handed to them and they wonder why?

  14. lmsinca | October 16th, 2009 at 09:04 am

    I think it’s safe to say she’s moving forward, in her imagination at least, regardless of the polls.

    “Sarah Palin fans can expect to see a new Palin political organization surface as her memoir, “Going Rogue: An American Life,” hits the shelves next month.”

    “The New York Post reported this week that Palin’s new group will be called “Stand Up For Our Nation.”

    “But Palin supporters say the former Alaska governor and last year’s GOP vice presidential nominee is eager to keep the public’s attention, even as she rakes in big earnings. “She wants to continue to be in a position to help causes dear to her heart and help people close to her,”

  15. Liam | October 16th, 2009 at 09:09 am

    Families of Beirut Marines fear they’ve been forgotten.

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/world/v-print/story/77267.html

    It happened 25 years ago. Read the article to learn about court actions being taken against Hezbollah and their Patron, Iran. They were the ones who killed the Marines. President Reagan knew who did it, and yet, when Iran had Hezbollah take American Hostages, President Reagan sent missiles to Iran, as ransom for to get some hostages release.

    Talk about rewarding and encouraging terrorists. The Republicans are old hands at doing just that. They also gave Saddam Hussain his chemical and biological starter kits.

  16. Liam | October 16th, 2009 at 09:11 am

    So the sequel to Going Rogue is going to be: Standing Up For Our Nation By Quitting?

  17. nffcnnr | October 16th, 2009 at 09:23 am

    Well, you just wait until Nov 17, mister. Her book release and consequent media tour will send her favorability ratings soaring into the mid 50’s. Until Christmas. By then the populace and MSM will finally realize that she didn’t actually write that book and she really is an empty vessel with nothing substantive to add to the national discourse.
    Yeah right.

  18. Liam | October 16th, 2009 at 09:23 am

    President Obama said that he did not want to surround himself with a bunch of yes men. He wanted to avoid getting trapped in a bubble where people only said what they thought he wanted to hear.

    He picked Joe Biden to be his VP, and he wanted Joe to give him his most frank advise and recommendations on policy issues.

    VP Biden is doing that, just as President Obama wants him to.

    Now we have Arianna Huffington calling on VP Biden to resign because he is giving President Obama his best advice, on the Afghanistan mess, that the Bush Administration created, and neglected.

    So now we have Arianna Huffington demanding that VP Biden resign for having committed the cardinal sin of having given frank advise to a President who asked him to do just that.

    Why is this Arianna nitwit getting so much TV face time?

  19. quarterback | October 16th, 2009 at 09:45 am

    It says something that Democrats continue to obsess over someone they claim is utterly incompetent, stupid, and so wildly unpopuluar that she is practically radioactive.

    Sounds like you can all rest easy in the knowledge that everything will continue to go your way for the foreseeable future.

  20. Bernie Latham | October 16th, 2009 at 09:51 am

    @BBQ – you might have it right, of course.

    Strategists on the right clearly value Palin in some manner and for some set of purposes. This is a product roll-out. The question that remains unanswered is what goal, something singular or something more optional, they have before them. If it isn’t candidacy, it is the use of her to continue motivating the base and to support some other specific candidate (whom they already have in mind) or just whichever candidate does end up chosen.

    It seems to me that Liz Cheney is gong to be a factor in all of this. But I’m unclear as to timeline. Is there any precedent for a presidential candidacy where that candidate has not previously held an elected office?

  21. Bernie Latham | October 16th, 2009 at 09:58 am

    Off topic (again) but what the hell.

    If you take a look at Haaretz today and go through the front page headlines, you’ll notice the linkages between Israeli politics and US politics. It is more apparent today than usual. While the right in the US is getting more extreme, that appears to be the case in Israel as well and the ties between the Israeli right and the US right are becoming, I think, more evident.

    This has a significance for the Obama administration obviously and it is probably prudent to consider how/why the Netanyahu government (and allies here) might share US rightwing desires to see his administration fail.
    http://www.haaretz.com/

  22. Nick | October 16th, 2009 at 10:00 am

    QB: “We” don’t claim it. The COUNTRY proclaims it. See Election, 2008. See Polls, all of them, 2009. This ridiculous nitwit epitomizes your party and your electoral prospects. The 2012 election is going to be the absolute best. Obama will crush whatever toxic goober you people cough up to run against him, and then … what will you say?

  23. Bernie Latham | October 16th, 2009 at 10:01 am

    And Sarah gets another above the fold op ed at NRO… http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Nzc2ZjhjY2MwMWUyM2M4NTM5YWRjYTcwMTEzZTNjMTc=

    It seems prudent to consider why the neoconservative/Murdoch crowd might be pushing her so hard.

  24. Bernie Latham | October 16th, 2009 at 10:05 am

    And along with Sarah up top at NRO today, more still on the painful injustice done to Limbaugh.

  25. Liam | October 16th, 2009 at 10:10 am

    @Bernie

    Rich Lowry was one one those Right Wing Columnists who first discover Sarah Palin, when their cruise ship docked in Alaska.

    Rich Lowry behaves like a love sick calf when ever Sarah Palin is in the picture.

    Remember this bit of over the top swooning for Sarah from Mr. Lowry?

    “Friday, October 03, 2008

    Projecting through the Screen [Rich Lowry]

    A very wise TV executive once told me that the key to TV is projecting through the screen. It’s one of the keys to the success of, say, a Bill O’Reilly, who comes through the screen and grabs you by the throat. Palin too projects through the screen like crazy. I’m sure I’m not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, “Hey, I think she just winked at me.” And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. It sent little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America. This is a quality that can’t be learned; it’s either something you have or you don’t, and man, she’s got it.”

  26. ChuckinDenton | October 16th, 2009 at 10:20 am

    Quitter.

  27. Tena | October 16th, 2009 at 10:21 am

    I don’t think she cares about anything except the money.

  28. DJShay | October 16th, 2009 at 10:24 am

    And didn’t I read somewhere that no Republican running in 2010 wanted her to campaign for them?

  29. quarterback | October 16th, 2009 at 10:25 am

    Kind of like the wave of romantic and lusty fanatasies and dreams about Obama that were reported among women during the campaign.

  30. quarterback | October 16th, 2009 at 10:29 am

    Nick,

    What’s your point except to prove mine? You can’t stop attacking someone you say is politically radioactive. So you say “the country” says she is radioactive. So why are you fixated on her? Just exulting in your anticipated continued crushing of the opposition? You’re awfully touchy for a member of the uber-party.

  31. Tena | October 16th, 2009 at 10:31 am

    I don’t know what the Alaska equivalent of hood rich is but that’s what she is – Cracker rich? Trailer Park rich?

  32. Bilgeman | October 16th, 2009 at 10:34 am

    Mr. Sargent:
    “Not only is Palin at her lowest favorability yet, her unfavorability ratings have hit a high of 50%. She’s also tanking among independents: Only 41% view her favorably, versus 48% who view her unfavorably”

    It’s interesting that the popularity polling of the ex-Governor of Alaska and the ex-GOP Vice Presidential Candidate is considered newsworthy, while the recent poll giving your sitting President a favorable rating of 42-43 aftr only 9 months into his term in office is assiduously ignored.

    I suppose it must be a welcome distraction from the ongoing trainwreck that is the Nobel Prize-winning Alleged Hawaiian’s Administration.

    And Palin really scares you folks, doesn’t she?

  33. quarterback | October 16th, 2009 at 10:34 am

    Maybe someday she’ll be as rich as the Obamas, or Kerry, or Harry Reid, the Clintons, Corzine, or the many other Democrat super-rich elites. But probably not. If she is, at least we know she’ll give a lot away, unlike the Democrats, who focus on giving other peoples’ money.

  34. Tena | October 16th, 2009 at 10:35 am

    “And Palin really scares you folks, doesn’t she?”

    Nope – cause she doesn’t have a chance in hell of ever getting any closer to the White House than she is right now.

    I love Palin – I’d love love love to see y’all run her in 2012. O please do.

  35. ChuckinDenton | October 16th, 2009 at 10:36 am

    In a national campaign, the rest of us who aren’t smitten or part of the right wing crowd, will be “forced” to remember that she quit, thats right *quit* under a cloud of suspicion and possible abuse of power. Me thinks the rest of us (indies, moderates, etc) are not fond of that kinda jive.

  36. Bernie Latham | October 16th, 2009 at 10:37 am

    @Liam – yes, and Kristol was there too. I think they both understand a marketing maxim – attractive people produce positive responses in others. Part of their problem with Obama is this.

  37. ALL-ACROSS- AMERICA | October 16th, 2009 at 10:37 am

    You libs are just shaking in your panties because this little mother, a regular America has so much power. Wait till your Marxist chairman gets his radical views jammed up where the sun don’t shine…..LOL

  38. Bernie Latham | October 16th, 2009 at 10:39 am

    “Maybe someday she’ll be as rich as the Obamas, or Kerry, or Harry Reid, the Clintons, Corzine, or the many other Democrat super-rich elites.”

    I’m having some trouble getting my noggin around how bag-of-hammers dumb this sentence is.

  39. Tena | October 16th, 2009 at 10:40 am

    “You libs are just shaking in your panties because this little mother, a regular America has so much power. Wait till your Marxist chairman gets his radical views jammed up where the sun don’t shine…..LOL”

    You got it! Run Palin in 2012 – we’ll all die of fright. Please Please Please PLEEEEEEEEze run Palin.

  40. Tena | October 16th, 2009 at 10:42 am

    The perfect ticket – hope you’re listening – Cheney-Palin.

    Perfection!

  41. quarterback | October 16th, 2009 at 10:52 am

    “I’m having some trouble getting my noggin around how bag-of-hammers dumb this sentence is.”

    You have a hard time getting your noggin around a lot of facts that don’t fit the leftwing paradigm.

    Tena says Palin is only interested in money, based on nothing. But having bags of money is always okay for Dems, though, including those mentioned. Sorry, I know that’s complicated, but you’ll just have to think it through as best you can.

  42. Nick | October 16th, 2009 at 10:53 am

    QB: Palin gets up in the national face; we react. Simple. And we probably do have an ulterior motive: as Tena says, please please please run this featherweight carnival barker in 2012! She’s a perfect representation of your formerly relevant political party. A 62-38 record-setting Obama crush job would be fun!

  43. Bernie Latham | October 16th, 2009 at 10:54 am

    Salon notes:

    Palin is also launching a new political group, which will be called Stand Up for Our Country, the New York Post’s Cindy Adams reported earlier this week. The Wall Street Journal has confirmed the report, quoting Tim Crawford, a “Palin associate,” as saying, “There will be an announcement about it coming up.”
    http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/cindy_adams/palin_still_trying_to_stir_political_M0Df7Ckt8eZ6ixCdPBOmYM
    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/10/14/palin-plans-new-political-group/

  44. Tena | October 16th, 2009 at 10:54 am

    Palin is the Republican philosophy on two legs – she’s the perfect figurehead for y’all.

    She couldn’t be more perfect.

  45. quarterback | October 16th, 2009 at 10:56 am

    “under a cloud of suspicion and possible abuse of power”

    Oh brother. You mean a storm of frivolous complaints manufactured by a gang of thugs dispatched by team Obama.

  46. Tena | October 16th, 2009 at 10:59 am

    qb – you got it – keep pushing that. I do not want to see the Republcans change one thing. I love the path y’all are on and I don’t want you to deviate one iota from it.

    Please don’t.

  47. Rick554 | October 16th, 2009 at 11:00 am

    SARAH PALIN BOOOOOOOOOOOO heh

  48. Ethan | October 16th, 2009 at 11:04 am

    Forget HOW MANY people like Palin.

    The better question is WHY?

  49. quarterback | October 16th, 2009 at 11:05 am

    OMG! Palin starts a group called Stand Up for Our Country!

    How dare she! Who does she think she is claiming to speak for the country, and claiming the rest of us aren’t part of it!? And questioning our patriotism, as if we don’t stand up for our country!?

  50. Liam | October 16th, 2009 at 11:06 am

    # ALL-ACROSS- AMERICA | October 16th, 2009 at 10:37 am

    You libs are just shaking in your panties because this little mother,
    …………………………

    By God, I think you are on to something.

    Palin: “This Little Mother” 2012

  51. Tena | October 16th, 2009 at 11:07 am

    “The better question is WHY?”

    There is only one reason, Ethan – they think she scares us and that’s the biggest reason they love her. And that’s fine with me.

    I am as serious as a heart attack – I do not want to see the Republicans change anything at all between now and the next election. I want them right where they are right now, only more so.

  52. Tena | October 16th, 2009 at 11:11 am

    “Palin: “This Little Mother” 2012″

    Damn that’s funny – on more than one level.

  53. Liam | October 16th, 2009 at 11:11 am

    I love Quarterback.

    For some reason, when ever I see that he has started off the morning with his usual; Harrumph Harrumph, Sam The Eagle from the Muppets, always comes to mind.

    I can just see QB rolling out of bed, and checking under his bed to make sure that no homosexual might be lurking there, trying to destroy his marriage, or pass on gay to him.

  54. ChuckinDenton | October 16th, 2009 at 11:12 am

    Palin/Bachmann ‘12. Bring it.

  55. Tena | October 16th, 2009 at 11:15 am

    “Palin/Bachmann ‘12. Bring it.”

    There are so many possibilities – Palin -Steele; Palin-Huckabee; Palin-Bill Kristol (her Daddy – her pimp).

  56. quarterback | October 16th, 2009 at 11:18 am

    Liam,

    I think your plaudits as a comic are going to your head. People are laughing mostly at you, not with you.

    I will spare the world my mental image of you, although I will divulge that the scene is a padded room.

  57. Liam | October 16th, 2009 at 11:19 am

    QB,

    Thanks for sharing, but I already had concluded that your lunatic ravings were coming from a padded room!

  58. ACLS | October 16th, 2009 at 11:27 am

    Isn’t Obama’s approval among Democrats higher than that? She’s still a polarizing figure, even within the GOP. And we’re all the better for it.

  59. Tena | October 16th, 2009 at 11:32 am

    “She’s still a polarizing figure, even within the GOP. And we’re all the better for it.”

    O I want the Town Hallers to get up and get busy in 2012. The only way we are threatened by the Republicans is if they sane-up.

    And the loudest of their constituency won’t let them. I love it that they turned on Graham for not being a “real conservative”. Please keep that right up, wingers.

    Please.

  60. Tena | October 16th, 2009 at 11:36 am

    And be sure to remind your pols, wingers, that they should be saying how Medicare is government control and bad.

    Make that your central message.

  61. quarterback | October 16th, 2009 at 11:53 am

    Conservatives have known for a long time that Graham isn’t much of one.

    These comments remind me of something, though. One of you a few days ago mentioned Bill Buckley as a respectable conservative — a pretty typical liberal answer to that question.

    You know who WFB was a big fan of? Rush Limbaugh. He sort of took Rush under his wing — something not that many people know. I don’t recall what, if anything WFB thought about Graham, but National Review is not a big fan. They are staunch defenders and supporters of Rush, though.

    So much for libs trying to tell us that WFB conservatism is respectable and Rush isn’t.

  62. Liam | October 16th, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    OK, Sam The Eagle. You have convinced us, WFB conservatism and Limbaugh are one and the same, so neither of them are respectable.

  63. quarterback | October 16th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    Thanks for again confirming my analysis, Liam the Liar.

  64. Tena | October 16th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    I never had any use at all for Bill Buckley.

    The biggest phony pseudo-intellectual of all time. Never used a straightforward word if he could dredge up something obscure and long that he thought made him look brilliant. It always made him look very much like he was trying way too hard, to me.

  65. Tena | October 16th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    I really want Republicans to embrace Rush for all they’re worth.

    I want to thank quarterback for that. Keep defending him – LOUDLY. Keep jumping your “not really conservative” Republican pols for not agreeing with him.

    Hold their feet to the fire, quarterback. Do it for me.

  66. Texas Aggie | October 16th, 2009 at 01:05 pm

    That she still has 40% favorability speaks ill of 40% of the American voter’s intelligence and ability to think rationally.

  67. Texas Aggie | October 16th, 2009 at 01:12 pm

    Q-back???

    “If she is, at least we know she’ll give a lot away,”

    She is already in the top 10% of the country with something over a quarter million in family income. Exactly how much has she given away? How long do we have to wait and how much does she have to make before she becomes a philanthropist?

  68. Texas Aggie | October 16th, 2009 at 01:16 pm

    Tena, many others have made the same observation of Buckley that you have. In addition, he showed time and again that he was racist and elitist in the bad sense of the term. He acknowledged that democracy was antithetical to his prejudices and as such, didn’t particularly approve of one person, one vote.

  69. Texas Aggie | October 16th, 2009 at 01:18 pm

    Bilgeman, “while the recent poll giving your sitting President a favorable rating of 42-43 aftr only 9 months into his term”

    I’m not sure what you are talking about. The recent polls show him over 50% favorability. Do you not read or what’s your problem?

  70. quarterback | October 16th, 2009 at 01:26 pm

    My statement was perhaps a too-obscure jab at Tena’s repeating her “greedy Palin” canard.

    She recently made this same silly accusation, so I produced various pieces of information about how comparatively poor but generous she has been — compared that is to supposed humble public servants like Obama, Biden, Gore, etc., who talk loudly about compassion but show essentially NONE with their own money.

    It proved embarrassing enough that there was no real response. Which is typical. Still, Tena unearthed the same canard here. Also typical.

  71. oddjob | October 16th, 2009 at 01:32 pm

    I look forwards to the day when Sarah Palin is most famous for the way she conducted herself in front of Judge Judy during the Palin divorce proceedings.

  72. Fiddler | October 16th, 2009 at 01:57 pm

    Palin scares me, and I’m not afraid to admit it. She scares me because we have so many ignorant and angry people in this country, people who feel left out because they don’t understand the conversation, people who don’t mind stepping on/over others to try to get their share. We’ve seen their ignorance and virulent anger for years, but it seems worse than ever. (I’m 63 and have seen a lot of anger.) Palin speaks to them, and they eat it up. It’s a bad combination: mobs of angry, ignorant people and the rabble-rouser Sarah Palin.

    Hell, we didn’t think Bush would get elected either, and look where that got us.

  73. Tena | October 16th, 2009 at 02:07 pm

    O hey – Palin is way generous – look how generous she was with Neiman Marcus; Saks Fifth Avenue; Bloomingdales.

    She just gets more generous with other peoples’ credit cards.

  74. Tena | October 16th, 2009 at 02:08 pm

    “alin scares me, and I’m not afraid to admit it. She scares me because we have so many ignorant and angry people in this country,”

    Dude, you are talking about 25% or less of the total population.

    Please do not lose sleep over the wingers taking over.

    Good Effing God – we just got them out of office and they are not coming back.

  75. quarterback | October 16th, 2009 at 02:40 pm

    Stop spreading liberal myths already, Tena. She didn’t do any of that.

  76. Dick Hertz | October 16th, 2009 at 04:24 pm

    It doesn’t take much to fleece the rubes. You can make quite a living taking advantage of the poor and ignorant.

  77. Liam | October 16th, 2009 at 05:05 pm

    # quarterback | October 16th, 2009 at 02:40 pm

    Stop spreading liberal myths already, Tena. She didn’t do any of that.
    ……………………..

    Stop Lying Quarterback. Wait; if you did that you would be a mute!

    Proof that you are a Liar.

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/167581

    “NEWSWEEK has also learned that Palin’s shopping spree at high-end department stores was more extensive than previously reported. While publicly supporting Palin, McCain’s top advisers privately fumed at what they regarded as her outrageous profligacy. One senior aide said that Nicolle Wallace had told Palin to buy three suits for the convention and hire a stylist. But instead, the vice presidential nominee began buying for herself and her family—clothes and accessories from top stores such as Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus. According to two knowledgeable sources, a vast majority of the clothes were bought by a wealthy donor, who was shocked when he got the bill. Palin also used low-level staffers to buy some of the clothes on their credit cards. The McCain campaign found out last week when the aides sought reimbursement. One aide estimated that she spent “tens of thousands” more than the reported $150,000, and that $20,000 to $40,000 went to buy clothes for her husband. Some articles of clothing have apparently been lost. An angry aide characterized the shopping spree as “Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast,” and said the truth will eventually come out when the Republican Party audits its books.”

  78. Bilgeman | October 16th, 2009 at 05:33 pm

    Texas Aggie:
    “I’m not sure what you are talking about. The recent polls show him over 50% favorability. Do you not read or what’s your problem?”

    Here ya go, moonbat:

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,567904,00.html

    49% Obama job approval rating, and only 43% would vote to re-elect him.

    My problem is that I deal with moonbats like yourself who don’t venture out of their communal sweat-lodge much.

    You really should try broadening your horizons by venturing away from the Groupthink Comfort Zone you apparently inhabit.

    Now I’m certain that you’ll dismiss Fox News for it’s partisanship, like a good little dubg-brained moonbat must, but you really SHOULD be aware that it is the #1 rated cable news network in the nation, so if you remain willfully unaware of what it broadcasts, and you bruit this about like a badge of honor, then you will be correctly perceived by most folks as abysmally ignorant and only parroting the Liberal hegemony programming you have chosen to subject yourself to.

    And you’l find your drum-circle getting smaller and smaller and smaller as you are self-marginalized by every metric known.

    Such as television ratings, and ballots and the failures of the business concerns that cater to your subset of the poulation.

    The immediate example being the cosmically hilarious irrelevancy of reading a WaPo blog-posting about the popularity travails of a woman who governs nothing and is at this point a candidate for nothing, while it utterly ignores the fact of the sitting President’s hear-unprecedented plunge in job approval and popularity among the American people.

    Here’s a tip for you…when you’re on a ship, and you hear the bells and the whistle sound for more than six short signal, followed by one long signal, that means put on your life vest and head for the lifeboats.
    It does NOT mean ignore it, and it certainly does not mean to sing “Kumbaya” with the rest of the “Obama Girls” even louder.

  79. Liam | October 16th, 2009 at 05:42 pm

    Bilgeman,

    You are not even an American. You said that you wanted the South to leave the Union, so begone you Non-American.

  80. oddjob | October 16th, 2009 at 08:01 pm

    Today’s Pollster aggregate poll shows Obama approval at 51%, roughly where it has been since mid-August.

    Even a reasonably well educated teenager knows that just because something is the #1 show on television doesn’t guarantee it’s watched by anything but a statistical plurality of those who watch such shows. (You can look up plurality in the dictionary if you don’t know what it means. It does not guarantee that the audience is a majority of the country or its voters, and a majority of a minority is still a minority.)

  81. Bilgeman | October 16th, 2009 at 09:22 pm

    Liam:
    “You are not even an American. You said that you wanted the South to leave the Union, so begone you Non-American”

    You’ve got that wrong again, as per usual.

    It’s not that I want the South to leave the Union.
    It already did, and did so succesfully.

    No resident of a Confederate State, even if he had been a loyal Unionist, was afforded representation in the Congress until 1866, (in the case of Tennessee), or even until 1870,(Georgia, Mississippi, Texas, and Virginia).
    It is therefore a de jure fact that the Confederate States of America had been thereby recognized by the US Federal government.

    I would also point out that the US overt military occupation of the Confederacy did not end until 1876.

    Under the US’s Posse Comitatus Law, it is unConstitutional for US Military and Naval Forces to enforce the law upon US Citizens.

    Since they manifestly did so in the States where it had been deemed an “illegal act” to secede, this is further evidence that the Union treated what it called it’s “citizens” as the nationals of a conquered nation.

    A state of affairs that culturally remains so to this very day.

    I want the Union to end it’s illegal occupation and leave the South.

    Got that now?

    Can you remember that?

    You obviously only want us for cannon fodder in your imperial military and to be the “designated racists” of your national culture.

    Otherwise, you dislike and despise us.

    Well, guess what, my lad…

    We don’t like you lot all that much either, so why continue with the fiction of what is truly a “shotgun marriage”?

    Frankly, what does it benefit you?

    Look at your northern cities that are crumbling,crime-ridden jobless wastelands, populated by those too poor or too stupid to leave, or the politically well-connected.
    Where everything you earn and everything you own and any profit you might make from a business you grow are capriciously taxed by those who claim to “serve” you unto the point of driving you and your children far and away and as economic refugees in “your own country”.

    Your industries largely left 30-50 years ago, with the connivance of those same “public servants”.

    Guess where many of them went?

    But alas, I guess that there is no amount of **** that you won’t be willing to eat, so long as you can warm yourself with your empty pride at having conquered us.

    Even as we are bribed and mollified by enjoying the future that has been expropriated from you, living in places like Buffalo, Gary, Detroit, Flint,Newark, and Milwaukee.

  82. DEO | October 17th, 2009 at 12:43 am

    Yup, Yup, I like my presnidents to GO ROGUE…lets elect HER…going ROGUE is very presnidential. Better then all mavericky.

    Sarah Palin/Tonya Harding 2012!

    Is it true Scarah Palin’s Forward in her new book was written by Fabio????

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