Christian Right Group Still Raising Cash Mocking “Right Wing Extremists” Report
The Liberty Counsel — a Christian right group whose support is courted by mainstream GOP politicians — is still raising cash by mocking the “right wing extremists” report, despite the identification of the suspect in yesterday’s Holocaust Museum shooting as a white supremacist and anti-government zealot.
The Liberty Counsel, which is affiliated with Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University, is a non-profit that describes itself as “dedicated to advancing religious freedom, the sanctity of human life and the traditional family.” It allies with GOP politicians in legislative fights such as the one against hate-crimes legislation, and no less a mainstream Republican than John McCain courted its support during last year’s presidential race.
But right now, the group is still mocking the “right wing extremists” report right there on its Web site, offering people tongue in cheek ID cards labeling them “right wing extremists” and asking for donations in exchange. Here’s a screenshot (click to enlarge):
For a donation of your choosing, you can be the proud owner of a Liberty Counsel ID card that mocks the DHS extremists report thusly (click to enlarge):
What fun! You’d think this would be enough to make the group radioactive with mainstream Republicans going forward, but it won’t.
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I know I’ll be attacked for this but . . . they are mocking the idea that the mainstream viewpoints in the bulleted items would be considered extreme right wing positions per the DHS report. What’s wrong with that? Are you, Greg, claiming that it is correct to call support for the 2nd amendment an extreme right wing position? The Holocaust Museum was not attacked because this report has been criticized/ridiculed.
sbj, I’m getting sick of repeating this, but the report was warning against violent extremists, not against people with conservative views. You really think any kind of mockery of this report is warranted right now? cmon man…
Everyone should e-mail them to ask that the legal counsel they offer be put to use for the shooter:
http://lc.org/index.cfm?pid=14097
Well, I’ll not repeat myself after this, okay? You are absolutely wrong – the report maligned “all right wing groups in anticipation of possible bad behavior by a few wackos.”
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The report smeared “half of the country or more as kooks for criticizing the government’s handling of the economy.”
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The point of the report was to assert “that ‘right wing’ extremism is undergoing a ‘resurgence’ as leaders of extremist groups take advantage of the down economy and the Obama administration to recruit new members. Weirdly, however, the report makes no effort to document any such increased recruitment or extremist activity of any sort.”
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“Janet Napolitano apologized for labeling returning Iraq-Afghanistan vets as a security risk.” Napolitano said the report would be “replaced or redone in a much more useful and much more precise fashion.” Why did she call it imprecise, Greg? Because it “painted with far too broad a brush, maligning all right wings groups in anticipation of possible bad behavior by a few wackos.”
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23606_Page2.html#ixzz0I8yRG1vS&D
http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2009/06/the-holocaust-memorial-shooting.html
SBJ is right!!! I mean, check out this statement.
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“Looking ahead, current and former military personnel belonging to white supremacist extremist organizations who experience frustration at the inability of these organizations to achieve their goals may choose to found new, more operationally minded and operationally capable groups. The military training veterans bring to the movement and their potential to pass this training on to others can increase the ability of lone offenders to carry out violence from the movement’s fringes.”
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The Obama administration was targeting veterans for Christs sake!
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Oh wait, that’s an excerpt from the July 2008 report entitled “White Supremacist Recruitment of Military Personnel since 9/11″
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sbj~
you constantly trying to defend or give some sort of justification to this type of propaganda is starting to say more about you than anything Greg is posting. Nobody is saying that supporting the 2nd amendment is an extreme right wing position, however over support of the 2nd amendment to the point that you would encourge others to stockpile weapons and plan for a rise up against the government is where the support starts to become an extreme right wing position…and it was the conservative talking heads that lumped themselves into the same group as right wing extremists when they went “off the rails” over the report. They are the ones that took personal offense…to the right wing extremist section of the report…not the left wing or muslim extremist part of the report, they were, of course, ok with that part of the report. There were even GOP reps that started calling for Napolitano to resign over the report. It was as ridiculous then as it is now that you keep splitting hairs to find some sort of justification…if the conservatives have been lumped together with extremists in the context of this report, it is the fault of the conservative talking heads that ginned up all the “outrage”…because they were saying that a point in the report about right wing extremism was about THEM! THEY were making the case that the right wing extremism was about THEM, not the other way around. Now, since they made the decision to elevate the issue to this level a few months ago, they will have to deal with the consequences of putting themselves into that same catagory. Too bad they weren’t so desperate for talking points, or perhaps they would not have created all of this “outrage” over the report a few months ago and we wouldn’t even be discussing the hypocrisy of that created outrage in light of recent events. I am pretty sure if they had known that we were going to have these recent assasinations, they would have chosen to find something else to harp on and elevate. You can’t have it both ways: if you whine for a week that one part of a DHS report regarding right wing extremists means that DHS is pointing fingers at you, as conservatives; you can’t turn around and then try to seperate yourself from the report you spent a week harping on. The right “talkers” put themselves in this position. No one with any sense thinks the report was discussing all conservatives, but when that report came out…the talkers on the right did everything they could to infer that it was.
Well if the Politico says it, it MUST be true. Right?
@Mike: Moronic. Tell me, was the Holocaust Memorial shooter recently recruited or radicalized? Did he found a new group? Was he an Iraqi war veteran?
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C’mon man.
thank you Mike ~ Um…sbj…were was all of the “outrage” over the July 2008 report, where were all of the conservative talking heads the week that this July 2008 report came out? Nowhere! That’s where. They could have cared less, and nobody in the media was saying in July 2008 that this section applied to all conservatives…Conservative talkers brought this all on themselves with their fake “outrage” – Desperate for talking points! Maybe this will be a teachable moment for them, but I doubt it.
Thank God Almighty they banned the Democratic Party from campus too. Could you imagine a university that would allow people with opposing viewpoints to have equal footing?
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After reading this thread, I think everyone is sort of missing a few key points about right wing extremism and the DHS report. The report was obviously correct in that it warned against a rise in violent right wing behavior. I think where the report failed is that it stopped too soon about factors leading up to right wing extremism. The main political opposition party in America is actually pushing the notion that the President of the United States is a socialist (un-American), foreign born (un-American), radical enemy of the state. Report or no report, it’s obvious.
@JennD: “”Nobody is saying that supporting the 2nd amendment is an extreme right wing position” That is quite clearly waht the report implies. Napolitano pulled the report because it was not precise. “There were even GOP reps that started calling for Napolitano to resign over the report.” Primarily because it oddly was not vetted and it’s release appeared to be rushed and whoever wrote the report seemed “deeply hostile to conservatives’ opposition to the agenda of the Obama administration.” “splitting hairs to find some sort of justification” – I’m not splitting hairs at all – the report was a piece of ****, Napolitano apologized to vets and pulled the report because it was not precise. The thing was not vetted and it lacked any specifics that would have helped prevent these attacks. Oddly it did not name this ******* or the groups to which he belonged. “Now, since they made the decision to elevate the issue to this level a few months ago, they will have to deal with the consequences of putting themselves into that same catagory.” Thankfully no one on the left is trying to play this tragedy for partisan pooitical gain!
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“Many rightwing extremists are antagonistic toward the new presidential administration and its perceived stance on a range of issues, including immigration and citizenship, the expansion of social programs to minorities, and restrictions on firearms ownership and use. Rightwing extremists are increasingly galvanized by these concerns and leverage them as drivers for recruitment.”
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“Millions of Americans–not just “rightwing extremists”–are concerned about the administration’s positions on immigration and many other issues.”
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Conservatives who hold some of these mainstream views were rightly outraged to be lumped in with right-wing extremists as was clearly the intent of this report. It was pulled because it was not precise. You are just kidding yourself.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/04/023329.php
the shooter was a leftist – his targets were Jews, Fox, the Weekly Standard & Neo-conservatives.
sbj~ there’s that hair splitting again…prior military is one characteristic of an extremist, and it does not mean that all prior military people are extremist, it is just one possible characteristic…like for instance, Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols. You should quit while you are ahead, or behind, in this case.
@JennD: The July 2008 report was for more specific and precise (that’s my point!) It did not imply that maintream opinions regarding immigration and citizenship, the expansion of social programs to minorities, and restrictions on firearms ownership and use would be used to recruit whackjobs.
@JennD: Perhaps your issue, then, is with Napolitano? “Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano met with the American Legion on Friday to apologize for a right-wing extremism report written by her agency . . . Napolitano blamed one of her agency’s analysts for prematurely sending out the intelligence assessment to law enforcement . . . “She essentially admitted fault within her office,” . . . Napolitano said, “I pledge that the department has fixed the internal process that allowed this document to be released before it was ready.”
O hahahahahahahahahaha – the right wing terrorists are such cards!
Ummm….wasn’t there a report on left wing extremists too? Or did I dream that? Where was the outrage over that one?
“After reading this thread, I think everyone is sort of missing a few key points about right wing extremism and the DHS report. The report was obviously correct in that it warned against a rise in violent right wing behavior. I think where the report failed is that it stopped too soon about factors leading up to right wing extremism. The main political opposition party in America is actually pushing the notion that the President of the United States is a socialist (un-American), foreign born (un-American), radical enemy of the state. Report or no report, it’s obvious.”
Yep, and Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck spend all day every day advocating the overthrow of this government by any means.
“Where was the outrage over that one?”
Um, where is the leftwing terrorist shooting up the place? The only homegrown terrorists on the left I can think of are environmental terrorists who sometimes burn down people’s houses. Since the 60s, I can’t think of a leftwing group who has been active militantly or violently in the US.
sbj~ you constantly going on and on to try and justify the criticism of the report…even some conservative talking heads (some of the more reasonable ones) have called out their fellow talking heads for all of the “outrage” they railed on regarding this report – See Shepard Smith with Fox News – Again, you can try to pick apart all sorts points and try to spin them, but this issue of the DHS report being an attack on conservative ideology is a talking point that was elevated by the conservative talking heads, nobody else. I will agree with you on one point – DHS should have never retracted the report and apologized…they should have stuck to their guns and argued that they weren’t pointing out anything that the July 2008 report didn’t point out as well…they should not have caved in to all of the fake “outrage” – a teachable moment for them as well, I hope.
this is what these people do to us; you all are arguing over whether sbj is right instead of how to stop this stuff from happening again. this is also why nothing ever gets done here anymore, sane people having to argue with whackjobs who think that other whackjobs “might have a point”.
you know what sbj, I don’t care if all other conservatives are painted with a broad brush and might be swept up into government surveillance, just like those same folks didn’t mind when the Bush DOJ was spying on peaceful anti-war groups or anyone else who opposed them.
non-violent anti-war groups were spied on, but violence enabling “mainstream conservatives” might be wrongly targeted? go preach that crazy talk to malkin and bachmann.
Hi Tena…I think msmolly’s point is that the left talking heads didn’t get all nutzo and outraged over the DHS report points about left wing extremism…you did hear left wing talking heads trying to say that the left wing extremist points in the report were an attack on liberal ideology…i think her point here is that it was the conservative talking heads that connected themselves with the right wing extremist points in the report…the left talking heads were smart enough to stay away from lumping themselves in with left wing extremists. The right talking heads, umm, not so much. The right talkers started digging this hole when they started with all the “outrage”, now they are in it neck deep by equating themselves with right wing extremists. The left talkers didn’t elevate left wing extremists as attacks on liberal ideology…i think that is what msmolly was getting at!?!
“a teachable moment for them as well, I hope.”
One can hope for real – I cannot see why they can’t connect the dots between Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and the Mad Birther who decided to go out in major style yesterday.
“williamc | June 11th, 2009 at 02:44 pm
this is what these people do to us; you all are arguing over whether sbj is right instead of how to stop this stuff from happening again.”
Darlin a couple of things: Number 1, this is not a Congressional Committee, it’s a bulletin board on a political blog and the entire raison d’etre is arguing with each other.
The way to stop these things is obvious, anyway – gun control and some reigning in of the hate speech and calls to overthrow Obama by any means necessary.
@JennD – lovely speaking with you! “they should not have caved in to all of the fake “outrage”
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They didn’t cave. They agreed that the report was not precise. They admitted that it was not properly vetted. They confessed that it should not have been released as written. They apologized to vets. This was not fake outrage – it was legitimate – and it was proven legitimate by the actions of Napolitano. You can argue that she shouldn’t have done what she did . . . but she did it. You can’t argue that the report was well-written or that it was properly vetted or released. It disguts me that “some” would use this tragedy for political gain and I consider it my duty to at least provide some counter if only in the name of civility. The criticisms of the report had absolutely nothing to do with yesterday’s tragedy. Any insinuation to the contrary is despicable.
thanks for the clarity williamc, and btw sbj and i usually are able to post without all this elevated back and forth, but on this issue, i guess not so much, listening to this post-justification of outrage over a DHS report that was right all along is so hypocritical it leaves one shaking his/her head…just imagine if the story was flipped…imagine if CNN/MSNBC/and the rest of the so-called left leaning media had gone off the rails with outrage over the left wing extremist points in the report, saying it was an unjustified attack on left ideology, suppose they had railed about it on all their primetime shows for a week, not to mention all the bloggers, about how Napolitano should resign or apologize for targeting liberals and then suppose a few left wing extremists went all terrorist on us over the last week or so, say one assasinated the CEO of a wood harvesting company, at his church no less, because he was destorying the environment and then another one tried to barge into a gun show and “take out” the people selling the guns…can you imagine what the right talkers would be saying about those incidents.
lolo@ Tena, I’m not advocating stopping the argument, but no arguing with nonsense. sbj’s argument is that since the crazies backed Napolitano into a corner and shouted her into apologizing with the help of the village, the report MUST have been wrong. But your correction of my point is the argument we should be having: where’s the gun control and enforcement of laws against incitement and who is/isn’t working on it and why? I just don’t get shouting into the wind at loons and saying the same things over and over (as Greg alluded to at the top of the thread).
@JennD: An imagined scenario is not really a great way to rebut facts. I’m pointing out facts – you’re writing screenplays.
“”We know what Mr. von Brunn did yesterday at the Holocaust museum. Now it’s our responsibility to determine why he did it,” said Joseph Persichini, assistant director of the Washington FBI field office.
The Homeland Security Department said the shooting does not appear to have a connection to terrorism, according to a joint Homeland Security and FBI assessment, though Persichini characterized it as “domestic terrorism.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/11/james-von-brunn-charged-i_n_214404.html
well, williamc – then don’t jump Jenn for arguing with the ever arguing sbj.
Ok?
The shooter yesterday was a left-wing terrorist. He was a national socialist – leftist.
sbj~ you know what…we can agree about one thing…it disgusts me that in the wake of the tragedies of the Oklahoma City bombing and the Olympic Park bombing, *some* would use a DHS report pointing out the very real connections between right wing extremists, prior military service and domestic terrorism, to make political points with their conservative *base* – for godssake they have even been raising money off of it – and you are right, the criticisms of the DHS report didn’t have anything to do with yesterday or the Tiller assasination last week…that was all on the right wing nut job terrorists that committed the act…but conservatives trying to justify their criticisms of a DHS report that ended up being correct, and attacking the DHS who is doing its best everyday to keep Americans safer is also despicable. The right’s attacks on this DHS report and Napolitano were completely despicable to begin with and now listening to you trying to justify those bogus criticisms of the Department of Homeland Security seems almost un-American, I mean, whose side are you on? because you sure are spending a lot of time trying to justify criticisms of the very Department that is trying to protect the American people from terrorists.
Tena, you got me. I’m just hopped on sugar from too much coffee this afternoon during lunch
and I should lighten up, no one has taken the bob/rush bait yet, and that’s got to say something about avoiding the crazies…
Ummm Bob ~ I think you are on the wrong blog…the man was an anti-government, anti-semetic, anti-anything non-white idiot that was a self classified white supremesist, neo-nazi – FYI: anti-anything non-white, white supremesist, neo-nazi’s are NOT left-wing extremists, but nice try!
williamc~ Ooops…did i just take the bait on Bob/rush? I think maybe I’ve had too much coffee this afternoon if I am trying to educate him about what is and isn’t a right-wing extremist – and the idiot neo-nazi had a list of Fox News and the Weekly Standard because these were his media outlets, kinda like Dr. Tiller’s murderer had Operation Rescue’s phone number on a post-it in his car.
@JennD: Oh c’mon! I’m now un-American because I’m criticizing a poorly written unvetted withdrawn report for which the head of DHS apologized to vets? (You persist in characterizing a report that was admittedly not precise as ‘correct?’) Get real, Jenn. “Whose side are you on?” Are you joking? This sounds like a famous cowboy “You’re either with us or you’re against us.” Criticism of the DHS is now out of bounds?
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You are better than this last post. You don’t even believe what you’re writing. Honestly, now – take a breath – do you really believe justifying [what you call] ‘bogus’ criticisms of a report is un-American? Are you sincerely questionming whose side I am on?
…and then someone did take the bait. It’s ok Jenn, JMM @ TPM had a post about this earlier. These folks are buying their own spin. Rush says this on the radio and the dittoheads go forth and puke it up everywhere they can. They just don’t know what words mean anymore : racist, socialism, fascism, liberal, conservative. I thought Alexandra Pelosi’s documentary about Palin rallies was over-the-top, but apparently she was in the sweet spot of crazytown. I’m in Atlanta, I’ve already heard two people today talk about Rush saying this fella was a leftie…whatev…do what I do here all the time and just uncontrollably laugh at their insanity (listening to a rich capitalist drug addict tell you how the elitists are leading your down a path to destruction is literally HILARIOUS!)
sbj~ isn’t it frustrating to be accused of being un-American because you disagree with some of the positions of the US Government? That’s how many, many people felt when they were being accused of being un-American for criticizing the Bush Administration…that was the point I was making, so perhaps you should take the breath, if I really thought you were un-American I wouldn’t be conversing with you. I know that you are not un-American because you care enough to correspond on many of these issues, even though we disagree – but I would just like to ask you how you felt when I inferred that you were un-American because you were questioning the DHS? That’s how many people felt when they were being called un-American for opposing the Bush Administration. I still disagree with you that the DHS report was incorrect, I think DHS pulled it because of the backlash, not because they truly felt it was wrong, but it’s ok…I don’t think you are un-American, I just think you are wrong on this issue (and I know you think I am wrong, which is fine) and it is disappointing that you can’t acknowledge the elevated “outrage” was false and misdirected, and that the overall content of the report regarding right-wing extremism was on point, even if you disagree with some of the issues presented.
williamc~ I am in Atlanta too? Where in the world are you?
williamc~ we are in the middle of Redstate no less, although the city of Atlanta is more progressive, many in the subs and the rest of the state are diehards…but a “southern” party is not a successful party nationwide…
@JennD: What a fine reply! I never agree with anyone who calls what an American says un-American. Since I support virtually unlimited free speech I feel it is virtually impossible to say something that is not ‘American.’ I did not feel particularly frustrated by your post because, I suppose, I know that I am not un-American? It made me giggle, really. (I have a somewhat different opinion about what it means to be a patriot, however. But let’s not go there.)
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I will agree that some of the outrage over the report was over the top, apparently. I say apparently because I did not see that over the top outrage personally. You have to know where I am coming from. I read HotAir, JustOneMinute, Contentions, The Weekly Standard, and The Plum Line, amongst others. I don’t listen to Rush or any of the other radio guys. I don’t watch Scarborough. So the criticism that I personally read and heard of the DHS report was grounded in accurate statements and it was presented in a level-headed manner. This is what still confuses me about Greg’s seeming gist: he implies that well-known right-wing conservatives and media personalities were out there screaming that it was crazy to write a report about the dangers of right-wing extremism. To my personal recollection nothing like that happened at all. Conservative thinkers immediately and repeatedly and very carefully and purposefully acknoweledged that right-wing extremism was a legitimate concern. (How could any right-thinking person say otherwise when we have tragic examples already?) No, conservative thinkers criticized this report … for all of those legitimate (IMO) reasons I have already laid forth ad nauseum. It matters little to me that overall the report was on point because that simply was not the issue at the time – the issue was one of characterizing mainstream positions as right-wing extremism. We will obviously always disagree about that. Pleasure chatting!
sbj~
“To my personal recollection nothing like that happened at all. Conservative thinkers immediately and repeatedly and very carefully and purposefully acknoweledged that right-wing extremism was a legitimate concern.” Well, as Greg and I can tell you, there were plenty of well known conservative talking heads out there questioning the legitimacy of the report. Joe Scarbourgh (former GOP congressman and present tv and radio show host) called the right-wing extremism portion of the report *crazy* and he called Napolitano *nuts* – Beck/O’Reilly/Hannity went on and on for a week saying that conservatives were being targeted by the report (since when are conservatives right-wing extremists, but that is the comparison they were making) and some GOP reps started calling for Napolitano’s resignation over it – along with a number of other examples – this is what Greg and I are referring to when making a point about the “over the top” criticism coming from the Right. Maybe the only correspondence you saw was “grounded in level headed statements and accurate”, but there was plenty out there that was not, which is one of the reasons that Shepard Smith even pointed it out, he made the point that the “Right was all up in arms over a report, that ended up being an accurate warning”.
Now Jenn – I think you are conflating. We’re going around in circles now so I shall stop. (I’ve already conceded that there was over the top criticism of which I was unaware so please stop flogging that poor beast.)
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I would warn you, however, of the dangers in pointing to Shep as a voice of reason!
Jenn D, I am in downtown ATL right now
, but earlier today, I was at a business meeting out in Norcross and Rush’s comment about this Von Nutjob guy being a leftist was brought up during lunch, I almost crapped my pants laughing at the neoNazi being a leftists tripe, and totally lost respect for these business associates (not for their political views, but because they thought Rush and Jonah Goldberg actually knew what they were talking about).
Small world us being in the same town, but hey, at least it’s Rush being a fool on a national stage, and not one of our homegrown morons, Boortz!
Jenn – I admire your patience. I am so through with those who keep repeating the so-called conservative talking points and never take a step back to see if there is any scent of reality about them….You are a much better woman than I am.
sbj~ Won’t continue to beat your dead horse…and I’ll just say that it does say quite a lot about a “news” station when Shep is the voice of reason. But, I do like Shep…in fact I wish he would go to another station to provide the conservative voice…sometimes I feel bad for him, although not for too long…I hope he is getting more supportive emails today since now Rush is going after him…interesting to step back and watch the implosion.
williamc~ I work in Midtown, but live in the burbs…so nice to find you here in ATL, have a great day, hope it’s not raining on you
AYC~ Thanks…but sbj and I are regulars on TPL…I know exactly where he is going to come from on almost every issue and I am sure he knows where I am going to come from…Thanks for the shout out though…it’s nice to get some encouragement when we wade into the rough seas
@JennD: Having Shep represent the conservative view is somewhat akin to Having Alan Colmes represent your side. Please God no! Shep’s hardly what I would call conservative. I’d sooner have Elisabeth Hasselbeck represent me. (Did I already say Please God no!)
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Greg’s Happy Hour post is beginning to sound a bit defensive . . .
Just a question: Did anyone read the DHS report?
From Greg:
“sbj, I’m getting sick of repeating this, but the report was warning against violent extremists, not against people with conservative views. ”
Let’s roll the tape – here is the DHS description of right wing extremists:
“(U) Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.”
And here is the corresponding definition from their report on left-wing extremism:
“(U//FOUO) DHS/Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines leftwing extremists as groups or individuals who embrace radical elements of the anarchist, animal rights, or environmental movements and are often willing to violate the law to achieve their
objectives.”
So left-wing extremists are often willing to violate the law; right wing extremists can simply be anti-abortion or anti-immigration. Does Greg really not see the difference?
Tom:
Your run-of-the-mill pro-lifer isn’t included in that definition. Those that are antigovernment because of their abortion views, however, are classified as extremists.
Left wing extremists violate the law, according to the report, right wing extremists reject the law entirely.
Keep in mind that Bush ordered both reports.
Nazi’s are leftists…
Nice try painting them as conservatives, but the national socialist party, was fascist – fascism is far left. Read your history.
That twisted & demented murderer, is a left-wing terrorist. Anti semitism is a leftist trait, as is white supremacy.
Don’t think so? During the civil rights movement – the govenor’s of the southern states that were fighting tooth & nail against equal rights were all liberal democrats. Hitler & Mussoline were leftists -
this guy was a liberal terrorist -
We all must remember that the right wing nuts are the products of hate and ingorance. That makes them prime targets for the snake oil salsemen and money hustlers. Jews, Black and Hispanics can describe examples of this mad rush to clean America for the white race. Those groups have been terrorized countless times in recent years. The right wing nuts and their hustlers( religious groups like Liberty, politicans and talk radio) rise up in arms when they are profiled as the report pointed out. Certain elements in the white community have been allowed to terrorize the minorities without a word from the government and the mainstream church. This type of report and a structure to profile terrorist, survelliance, interdiction and prosecution is long over due. Simply because the potential targets are white males is causing the uproar. On another note, Liberty and its affilates have long played to the fear of hate in its school and political endeavors. Jerry Farwell built this empire on hustling money from uneducated people and racist.
@drew: You have almost completely misread what Tom (from the fabulous JustOneMinute blog) has quoted:
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“Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups . . . that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority . . . It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.”
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So when you say “Your run-of-the-mill pro-lifer isn’t included in that definition.” You are wrong. Many run of the mill pro-lifers are concerned with a single issue and believe that the states should have the authority to regulate abortion. This is a mainstream position and is not extreme.
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When you say “Those that are antigovernment because of their abortion views, however, are classified as extremists.” You are incorrect because you ignore that they reject “federal authority in favor of state or local authority.” In favor of state and local authority – just like many who are pro-ghay marriage do. By your reading and definition, for example, all pro gay marriage one issue persons who are in favor of each state deciding the issue should be classified as left wing extremists.
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You are wrong when you say “right wing extremists reject the law entirely [according to the report].” As stated above, they reject “federal authority in favor of state or local authority.” That does not mean rejecting the law entirely – you are simply choosing to ignore the words as written.
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Tom has got the goods here – absolute proof that the report characterized perfectly mainstream conservative views as extreme. Game. Set. Match.
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Please send your donation on account of Shahid s/o John Samuel
Account No. 0139-02000092
Bank Alfalah Peshawar Road
Rawalpindi, Cantt.
Pakistan.
Please accept my sincere thanks,
Shahid John
General Secretary & Fund raising coordinator
Cell No# 0302-5073072
0346-5976966
christianwelfarefoundation@gmail.com
I want to donate my car to a charity. I do want to recieve a tax deduction, but I don’t want it to go to just any charity I would very much like my car to go to a needy family. I am in the Houton area. Can anybody help me or have any sugestions.
Where is a good place to sale my old wrecked car? Please help me by sugesting some sites or companies.
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