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	<title>Comments on: Liz Cheney: Obama Wants To Hold Hands With Terrorists</title>
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		<title>By: Vince</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 23:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OBUMMER = FAIL lol the words &quot; WE TOLD YOU SO&quot; come to mind.</description>
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		<title>By: Jim_NH</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim_NH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liz Cheney must be out of her mind to appear on MSNBC</description>
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		<title>By: reynoldspainting</title>
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		<dc:creator>reynoldspainting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 19:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why doesn&#039;t anyone listen to this lying ass?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why doesn&#8217;t anyone listen to this lying <acronym title="ass">***</acronym>?</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Smith</title>
		<link>http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/president-obama/liz-cheney-obama-wants-to-hold-hands-with-terrorists/comment-page-1/#comment-22148</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 15:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, she is given a grace and favor very high ranking position in the Bush regime, no qualifications required, just outrageous nepotism done in the way only Bush regime cronies can do, from giving out billions and billions in no bid contracts to giving top level security jobs to their brats.
Now she has the gall to pick and choose her time and place to lie and propagandize for the last criminal years. 
NOT one question asked, ever, from that famous old left-wing media which is really crammed to bursting with neo-cons such as Andrea Mitchell.
I wonder how this president feels, seeing this neo-con hack get a pass to lie in the Mainstream Media, over and over and over again.
Where&#039;s the outrage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, she is given a grace and favor very high ranking position in the Bush regime, no qualifications required, just outrageous nepotism done in the way only Bush regime cronies can do, from giving out billions and billions in no bid contracts to giving top level security jobs to their brats.<br />
Now she has the gall to pick and choose her time and place to lie and propagandize for the last criminal years.<br />
NOT one question asked, ever, from that famous old left-wing media which is really crammed to bursting with neo-cons such as Andrea Mitchell.<br />
I wonder how this president feels, seeing this neo-con hack get a pass to lie in the Mainstream Media, over and over and over again.<br />
Where&#8217;s the outrage?</p>
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		<title>By: Olu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 13:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She has very little credibility on this issue. Actually, none what so ever. It would be interesting to see if she and/or her Dad run for political office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She has very little credibility on this issue. Actually, none what so ever. It would be interesting to see if she and/or her Dad run for political office.</p>
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		<title>By: sjb</title>
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		<dc:creator>sjb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 12:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liz Cheney is as much a liar as her father, ever notice when she doesn&#039;t know how to answer the question she says:  This is a Complicated matter.  Yea, right......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liz Cheney is as much a liar as her father, ever notice when she doesn&#8217;t know how to answer the question she says:  This is a Complicated matter.  Yea, right&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jc</title>
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		<dc:creator>jc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just another one just like Palin. Giant windbag, using GOP talking points whether they are true or not.
Go away Liz, no one cares.</description>
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Go away Liz, no one cares.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kuhn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Kuhn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The apple doesn&#039;t fall too far from the tree.  Cheney is trying to do what the Cons tried during the campaign and that is trying to paint President Obama as naive with a simplistic view of the world.  Of course this couldn&#039;t be farther from the truth as evident by his speech.

What is simplistic is the neocon view that discards diplomacy with the idea that we can simply bomb our way to peace and cooperation, invade a country with the simple idea that we will be greeted as liberators and that we don&#039;t need to have a plan to transition that country from a dictatorship and desolation to a country of their choosing without the simplistic view that we can wave a magic wand and make a country with a culture far different from our own into a democracy.

Hey Cheney you and your dad are FAILURES!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The apple doesn&#8217;t fall too far from the tree.  Cheney is trying to do what the Cons tried during the campaign and that is trying to paint President Obama as naive with a simplistic view of the world.  Of course this couldn&#8217;t be farther from the truth as evident by his speech.</p>
<p>What is simplistic is the neocon view that discards diplomacy with the idea that we can simply bomb our way to peace and cooperation, invade a country with the simple idea that we will be greeted as liberators and that we don&#8217;t need to have a plan to transition that country from a dictatorship and desolation to a country of their choosing without the simplistic view that we can wave a magic wand and make a country with a culture far different from our own into a democracy.</p>
<p>Hey Cheney you and your dad are FAILURES!</p>
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		<title>By: mrbuddy</title>
		<link>http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/president-obama/liz-cheney-obama-wants-to-hold-hands-with-terrorists/comment-page-1/#comment-21698</link>
		<dc:creator>mrbuddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t we get Bush and Cheneyand Rumsfeld and Gonzalez and the 3 lawyers a pass port to Spain--if this congress and justice department aren&#039;t going to do anything?? This is all so disgusting, tyranical and treasinous(sp).!! Ps Limbaugh toooo. It is not funny anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t we get Bush and Cheneyand Rumsfeld and Gonzalez and the 3 lawyers a pass port to Spain&#8211;if this congress and justice department aren&#8217;t going to do anything?? This is all so disgusting, tyranical and treasinous(sp).!! Ps Limbaugh toooo. It is not funny anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Dragonlady52</title>
		<link>http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/president-obama/liz-cheney-obama-wants-to-hold-hands-with-terrorists/comment-page-1/#comment-21678</link>
		<dc:creator>Dragonlady52</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 04:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does the MSM continue to validate this unqualified idiot has continually repeated demonstrable lies? AND why doesn&#039;t someone ask either Cheney about Dick&#039;s considerable domestic crimes, such as his putrid &quot;National Energy Policy&quot;, his enabling of Enron, his role in the economic meltdown as Chief Economic Advisor, and his years of profiteering? Sometimes I wonder If Dick Cheney wants to keep the focus on the war and the torture question to direct attention away from just those issues. A serious investigation into that would probably turn up enough evidence to put him away for the rest of his natural life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does the MSM continue to validate this unqualified idiot has continually repeated demonstrable lies? AND why doesn&#8217;t someone ask either Cheney about Dick&#8217;s considerable domestic crimes, such as his putrid &#8220;National Energy Policy&#8221;, his enabling of Enron, his role in the economic meltdown as Chief Economic Advisor, and his years of profiteering? Sometimes I wonder If Dick Cheney wants to keep the focus on the war and the torture question to direct attention away from just those issues. A serious investigation into that would probably turn up enough evidence to put him away for the rest of his natural life.</p>
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		<title>By: jaid bethea</title>
		<link>http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/president-obama/liz-cheney-obama-wants-to-hold-hands-with-terrorists/comment-page-1/#comment-21633</link>
		<dc:creator>jaid bethea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Cheney&#039;s have clearly demonstrated why some gene pools should be aborted.  They are just wacko!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Cheney&#8217;s have clearly demonstrated why some gene pools should be aborted.  They are just wacko!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff E.</title>
		<link>http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/president-obama/liz-cheney-obama-wants-to-hold-hands-with-terrorists/comment-page-1/#comment-21615</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the matter with these people?  This woman gets a forum on national television because she&#039;s the daughter of a former VP?  She and her dad are so angry that America woke up from the eight-year nightmare of the Bush/Cheney rein that they can only spew this hateful tripe.  Go home, Liz.  And take Darth with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the matter with these people?  This woman gets a forum on national television because she&#8217;s the daughter of a former VP?  She and her dad are so angry that America woke up from the eight-year nightmare of the Bush/Cheney rein that they can only spew this hateful tripe.  Go home, Liz.  And take Darth with you.</p>
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		<title>By: CHick Deney</title>
		<link>http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/president-obama/liz-cheney-obama-wants-to-hold-hands-with-terrorists/comment-page-1/#comment-21607</link>
		<dc:creator>CHick Deney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is Lez Chainme creible on any topic?</description>
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		<title>By: Aluceo</title>
		<link>http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/president-obama/liz-cheney-obama-wants-to-hold-hands-with-terrorists/comment-page-1/#comment-21602</link>
		<dc:creator>Aluceo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A QUESTION OF JOURNALISTIC DEONTOLOGY!
The recent appearances of the Cheneys over the media as a credible political opponent on par to the Obama administration&#039;s policies and stances raises an issue of journalistic deontology! This is definitely of artificial making. On the one hand, we&#039;ve got a legitimately elected President of the United States who has undergone the rigorous electoral process having to make his case to the American people and coming out successful in eliciting the policies he intends to carry out during his mandate within the confines of the American political institutional structure and process. On the other hand, we&#039;ve got political personae (the Cheneys) who are effectively being presented by the media as a legitimate opponent on par to the Obama administration whereas they do not bear any electoral mandate whatsoever for the political views they profer and with no consequent responsiblity, stake and risk that will arise from any such mandate while the President is tied to them. 
The latest case in point, is Liz Cheney&#039;s appearance on the Scaborough Show with her critical and undermining views of the President presented in effect as critical views to the Obama speech delivered in Egypt under the disguise of expressing her opinions. For comments/expressions of opinion on the President&#039;s policies, her views as well as those of her father have been given such a broad artificial reception by the media that runs very contrary to the expression of opinion as we&#039;ve come to know it. These views are rather given almost the same weight and placed on par as the political stances of a legitimately elected president with a legitimate mandate for the policies he is undertaking while the Cheney&#039;s hold no such legitimate mandate and with no accompanying political accountability whatsoever. The issue here is that such attitude by the media is contrary to what we&#039;ve come to expect from normal implicit democratic rules. If the Cheneys had any pretense for policies they wished to be implemented after the Bush Administration, the solution would have simply been for Dick or Liz to run for president. Since they didn&#039;t, it is artificial for the media to strive to present them as a counterweight on par to the Obama administration&#039;s policies well beyong what will be expected for the opinion of a simple citizen that the Cheneys are now notwithstanding their previous political roles. And by the way, by extension is it acceptable that any citizen, no matter what self-righteous pretense they might have, to be artificially given a similar counterweight role on par with the President on any policy issues of the Obama administration while not holding any legitimate political mandate for which they will be politically accountable for their stances? It can be understandable, that the Cheneys can be of direct concern when it comes to matters of direct relation to political issues having to do with Cheney&#039;s role in the Bush administration. But to raise their views on the policies and stances the administration should take on par with the President undermines appropriate journalistic deontology because as we should all know by now &quot;elections do matter&quot;.  
What strikes the mind here is that the Cheneys have perfectly understood this &quot;naïvété&quot; of the media and are using this &quot;media confusion about fairness&quot; to artificially strive to extirpate Mr. Dick Cheney from accusations of introducing torture policies during the Bush Administration among other political accusations. Their strategy is very simple. Legally, Cheney can&#039;t make it (they know that secretly). In all courts of law, so-called EITs are definitely torture practices. Besides, the facts as we know them are overwhelmingly against him and the Bush Administration, and Dick Cheney&#039;s contradictions are extensive. The real strategy of the Cheney&#039;s here is totally otherly: turn it &quot;political&quot;. First, saying torture works and was for the good of the country should elicit the fervour of many Americans. Afterall, all what is needed is that a substantial number of Americans polled buy to this argument, and then the issue’s legal underpinning may be undermined. Secondly, posing artificially as the right wing counterweight to the Obama&#039;s administration policies elicits the impression and fervour in some quarters particularly to the right that he is making the President moderate and thus he is political useful. A look at this second political trick shows how the media has been effectively been manipulated: knowing fairly well that in his administrative role the President will have to take practical and pragmatic postures with respect to the release of photos of abused detainees as well as on other policies, all what Dick simply have to do is to posit that he is against releasing the pictures and pretend to take critical policy issues postures on the right, making him seemingly a moderating influence on the President. Thirdly, the Cheneys simply have to claim that Obama is following the Bush Administration’s policies he criticized pointing to his strategies in Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantanamo. In this case too, the media is manipulated as they ignore the fact that the Obama administration does not have the luxury of starting from scratch as Bush had on all these issues but rather adopts a “course correction strategy” of the situations to bring them as close as possible to what he advocates. The fact is that, the underlying strategy of Dick and her daughter is to make this three steps political trick extirpate Dick from the accusations levied against the former administration. The sad thing is that the media is &quot;naïvely&quot; falling for these political tricks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A QUESTION OF JOURNALISTIC DEONTOLOGY!<br />
The recent appearances of the Cheneys over the media as a credible political opponent on par to the Obama administration&#8217;s policies and stances raises an issue of journalistic deontology! This is definitely of artificial making. On the one hand, we&#8217;ve got a legitimately elected President of the United States who has undergone the rigorous electoral process having to make his case to the American people and coming out successful in eliciting the policies he intends to carry out during his mandate within the confines of the American political institutional structure and process. On the other hand, we&#8217;ve got political personae (the Cheneys) who are effectively being presented by the media as a legitimate opponent on par to the Obama administration whereas they do not bear any electoral mandate whatsoever for the political views they profer and with no consequent responsiblity, stake and risk that will arise from any such mandate while the President is tied to them.<br />
The latest case in point, is Liz Cheney&#8217;s appearance on the Scaborough Show with her critical and undermining views of the President presented in effect as critical views to the Obama speech delivered in Egypt under the disguise of expressing her opinions. For comments/expressions of opinion on the President&#8217;s policies, her views as well as those of her father have been given such a broad artificial reception by the media that runs very contrary to the expression of opinion as we&#8217;ve come to know it. These views are rather given almost the same weight and placed on par as the political stances of a legitimately elected president with a legitimate mandate for the policies he is undertaking while the Cheney&#8217;s hold no such legitimate mandate and with no accompanying political accountability whatsoever. The issue here is that such attitude by the media is contrary to what we&#8217;ve come to expect from normal implicit democratic rules. If the Cheneys had any pretense for policies they wished to be implemented after the Bush Administration, the solution would have simply been for Dick or Liz to run for president. Since they didn&#8217;t, it is artificial for the media to strive to present them as a counterweight on par to the Obama administration&#8217;s policies well beyong what will be expected for the opinion of a simple citizen that the Cheneys are now notwithstanding their previous political roles. And by the way, by extension is it acceptable that any citizen, no matter what self-righteous pretense they might have, to be artificially given a similar counterweight role on par with the President on any policy issues of the Obama administration while not holding any legitimate political mandate for which they will be politically accountable for their stances? It can be understandable, that the Cheneys can be of direct concern when it comes to matters of direct relation to political issues having to do with Cheney&#8217;s role in the Bush administration. But to raise their views on the policies and stances the administration should take on par with the President undermines appropriate journalistic deontology because as we should all know by now &#8220;elections do matter&#8221;.<br />
What strikes the mind here is that the Cheneys have perfectly understood this &#8220;naïvété&#8221; of the media and are using this &#8220;media confusion about fairness&#8221; to artificially strive to extirpate Mr. Dick Cheney from accusations of introducing torture policies during the Bush Administration among other political accusations. Their strategy is very simple. Legally, Cheney can&#8217;t make it (they know that secretly). In all courts of law, so-called EITs are definitely torture practices. Besides, the facts as we know them are overwhelmingly against him and the Bush Administration, and Dick Cheney&#8217;s contradictions are extensive. The real strategy of the Cheney&#8217;s here is totally otherly: turn it &#8220;political&#8221;. First, saying torture works and was for the good of the country should elicit the fervour of many Americans. Afterall, all what is needed is that a substantial number of Americans polled buy to this argument, and then the issue’s legal underpinning may be undermined. Secondly, posing artificially as the right wing counterweight to the Obama&#8217;s administration policies elicits the impression and fervour in some quarters particularly to the right that he is making the President moderate and thus he is political useful. A look at this second political trick shows how the media has been effectively been manipulated: knowing fairly well that in his administrative role the President will have to take practical and pragmatic postures with respect to the release of photos of abused detainees as well as on other policies, all what Dick simply have to do is to posit that he is against releasing the pictures and pretend to take critical policy issues postures on the right, making him seemingly a moderating influence on the President. Thirdly, the Cheneys simply have to claim that Obama is following the Bush Administration’s policies he criticized pointing to his strategies in Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantanamo. In this case too, the media is manipulated as they ignore the fact that the Obama administration does not have the luxury of starting from scratch as Bush had on all these issues but rather adopts a “course correction strategy” of the situations to bring them as close as possible to what he advocates. The fact is that, the underlying strategy of Dick and her daughter is to make this three steps political trick extirpate Dick from the accusations levied against the former administration. The sad thing is that the media is &#8220;naïvely&#8221; falling for these political tricks!</p>
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		<title>By: Monty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>would everyone ignore Liz Cheney; she&#039;s becoming a spokesperson only because the MSNBC and the Dem. blogs  give her attention. Leave her to Fox.</description>
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