Top Immigration Group Demands MSNBC Muzzle Pat Buchanan On Race
Looks like MSNBC has a bit of a Pat Buchanan problem on its hands.
In the wake of Buchanan’s latest (ahem) racially charged diatribe, in which he described America as a “country built basically by white folks,” a respected immigration reform group is demanding that the network stop granting Buchanan a platform to share what might charitably be termed his ideas on racial issues.
“We’re really concerned that MSNBC is putting this guy on when he should be on Fox,” Paco Fabian, a top official at America’s Voice, a frequently quoted group advocating immigration reform, told me. “He’s got a long history of being questionable on race issues in particular.”
In case you missed it, Buchanan got into a tussle with Rachel Maddow last night about Sonia Sotomayor. Buchanan said: “White men were 100% of the people that wrote the Constitution, 100% of the people that signed the Declaration of Independence, 100% of the people who died at Gettysburg and Vicksburg, probably close to 100% of the people who died at Normandy. This has been a country built basically by white folks.”
Fabian of America’s Voice says his group is putting together a letter to MSNBC, and reaching out to Latino groups as signatories, calling on the network to stop letting Buchanan offer commentary on racial issues, particularly with debate looming on immigration reform.
“This was one of the last straws,” Fabian said. “We’re really concerned that some of the language he has been using is going to come up with immigration.” Not a good story for MSNBC…
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I think Paco makes himself sound a bit silly when he says, ““We’re really concerned that MSNBC is putting this guy on when he should be on Fox.” Does that mean that he is okay with racist commentary so long as it is on FNC? Or is he really just concerned with keeping MSNBC in the liberal fold?
dunno, sbj, I don’t think it’s hard to gather that he doesn’t approve of what’s on Fox, is it?
Not silly. The citizenry needs to exile Buchanan to the backwaters of American political discourse (Fox) like the KKK and neo-nazis have been exiled to the boiler rooms and backwoods compounds of America.
sbj~
Maybe he is just concerned about keeping Fox safely in the conservative fold. It is always so interesting to listen to people complain about MSNBC being “liberal”, but it is perfectly ok for Fox to be “conservative” – Pot meet kettle – It’s ok to have Beck, O’Reilly and Hannity – but by no means should there be Matthews, Olberman and Maddow – just because Paco thinks that Pat’s comments would fall more in line with the types of conversations that you hear on Fox as opposed to MSNBC doesn’t make him silly, or stupid (as you referred to @booger) or hypocritical (as you referred to me).
It’s not that I want Uncle Pat to stay on MSNBC, but he gives full-throated voice to a certain shrinking way of thinking. I’d rather have the light of day shine on his bias and have someone smart and fearless like Rachel hashing it out with him, than have his worldview slinking back into the corner, licking its wounds, only to come raging back like a superbacteria.
Buchanan is unpersuadable, but I think the arguing will get others to think and realize, he may have a point, but he’s wrong on so many levels.
@JennD: Quick question – have I ever claimed that Fox is not conservative? Have I ever said that MSNBC should not be allowed to have Olberman, Mathews, and Maddow? Are you arguing with some sort of phantom over there? Obama and his strawmen would be proud.
@greg: I don’t think it’s hard to gather at all what this guy is about (wink wink). That quip about Fox was a slip – no doubt. Makes him look more like a partisan/liberal with an agenda to keep MSNBC clean and paint Fox as racist than someone sincerely concerned about racial image. I wonder what he had to say about Boxer getting her ears boxed yesterday?
http://www.breitbart.tv/god-awful-black-chamber-of-commerce-ceo-rips-sen-boxer-for-condescending-racial-remarks/
And really, can they please start getting this straight? It’s not Fox that is evil and racist, it’s the Fox News Channel. Sheesh!
Fire Pat.
check out some grassroots energy bubbling up on twitter:
Petition @MSNBC to Fire Pat Buchanan for his racist falsehoods & libel asserted as fact. http://act.ly/9i retweet to sign
No phantom here…and actually it is Fox “News” Channel
I agree and several websites today participated in emails to Rachel Maddow and MSNBC, myself included, warning them that we have had it with this racist saltine and will change the channel every time he appears. And he does belong on faux news with the rest of the inbreds, toothless banjo players, and ignorant teabaggers! We’re also informed them that we’ll target their sponsors as well! The Dems won and won big thanks to Obama. Deal with it cracker!
As a 58 year old, bitter, white, blue collar, gun owner, I got to tell ya, It’s time for Pat to take off the pointy white hat and move into the new century. Sorry Pat, Imperial Wizard no longer looks good on a resume unless you are running for a republican office.
Pat Buchanan has been sliding down his slippery slope of bigotry ever since Barack Obama began his campaign for the presidency, and his attitude has only gotten worse since Sonia Sotomayor arrived on the scene. He truly disgusts me. Now, more than ever.
Does he REALLY think that we can EVER go back to an “All White America”?? That sounds like the only outcome he’ll ever settle for, and that’s the reason he doesn’t deserve a platform on ANY NETWORK, ANYTIME!
I’m so glad that “America’s Voice” is taking it to MSNBC with regard to Pat Buchanan. I’m not alone when I say that MSNBC is on shaky ground by allowing him to continue his racist, bigoted, hatred-spewing garbage. I hope “America’s Voice” gets their letter out ASAP and MSNBC finally wakes up to the damage that Buchanan will
cause their reputation if they keep him on any longer.
Pat Buchanan sure has empathy for white men, too bad he doesn’t have it for anyone else.
I never have exactly understood why they have Pat on. Why give him a forum? I know he makes them look good by comparison, but that’s ridiculous – he’s an unrepentant white supremacist and they wouldn’t give David Dukes that air time.
It’s crazy – he’s useless. I don’t care what they do with him.
I’m still trying to figure out which part of Pat Buchanan’s “diatribe” isn’t true.
Ducknutz:
If you’re still trying to figure out “which part of Pat Buchanan’s “diatribe” isn’t true,” then maybe you should start googling things up. It doesn’t take that long to figure out how many holes Pat’s “diatribe” has.
Black men at D-Day Invasion:
All-black battalion that landed in Normandy, France on D-Day to be honored on anniversary of siege
By Linda Hervieux
Special to The News
Friday, June 5th 2009, 10:40 AM
Black Soldiers (not necessarily at Battle of Gettysburg but in the war itself):
http://www.civilwaracademy.com/civil-war-black-soldiers.html
But they definitely were in the Battle of Vicksburg:
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Battle_of_Vicksburg
And yes, it’s true that the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence were written by educated white men…but who do you think put food on those white men’s tables? Didn’t they own slaves? Jefferson even fucked his slave! The only reason why only white men were heard was because they OPPRESSED every body else! Remember their crimes and their inhumanity.
Hopefully this helps you to figure out which parts of the “diatribe” were true.
-anon-
I agree that Pat Buchanan’s comments were deplorable. However, I don’t wish to banish him from MSNBC because I think if the “liberal” side isolates itself from the opposition… we will never understand it.
Even if we hate the opposing side, it is important to hear it. Because if we don’t… we lull ourselves into a false belief that someone like Pat is a fringe nutjob. If you believe that, listen to Rush Limbaugh or watch Fox News all day. Buchanan is not the exception of the Republican party, he is the rule. And as Democrats, we owe it to ourselves to be aware of everything the Republicans are saying.
Not only were Pat Buchanan comments morally bankrupt, he is factually wrong as well. The fact-check on Buchanan’s rabid racist rant on the Rachel Maddow Show can be found here:
http://hominidviews.com/?p=2398
Did someone say “Free Speech”? Can Pat Buchanan have free speech to express his views, and opinions, or are such rights limited to only those on the America Hating left?
We have never been an all white nation. We have always had blacks and whites. We have been a white majority, though.
Obama got elected with 50,000,000 white people voting for him. Without the white vote, he would only have had 18,000,000 black and hispanic votes. He could not have, would not have been President, if not for whites. Not even close.
There are only 39,000,000 black Americans and 220,000,000 white Americans. There are 49,000,000 hispanic Americans, of those 25,000,000 of them are white. Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race.
60% of all hispanics are half white to begin with. A large majority, of the half-white hispanics are having children with white Americans, therefore making the U.S. even whiter.
With all the racist anti-white media spin, that whites are going to be a minority, is just that, spin.
The only bigotry and hate, Americans see constantly being spewed, is by the Anti-American Pro-Illegal Alien racist bigots. You believe U.S. citizens should have to follow our laws, pay taxes, while Illegal Aliens are allowed to break all of our laws.
We have millions of Illegal Aliens, mostly from Mexico and Latin America. They come from a lawless culture, who believe in absolute disrespect for the rule of law. Why has the Mexican Drug Cartel been able to infiltrate and take over the Mexican Government? Disrespect for the Rule of Law. Why have over 12,000 Mexicans been slaughtered by other Mexicans in the past 18 months in Mexico? Because of the Disrespect for the Rule of Law. Mexicans will do anything for money. Deal drugs, enter the U.S. illegally. Obtain jobs, illegally, with fraudulent or stolen documents. They drive, illegally, without licenses or insurance. Everything they do, after entering our country, illegally, is illegal and criminal. That is their culture and they have brought it here. Anti-American Pro-Illegal Alien racist bigots, support their illegal criminal behavior.
What culture have Mexican Illegal Aliens brought to our once great nation? Disrespect for the Rule of Law. What is the first thing, Mexican Illegal Aliens do, when they come to our once great nation? They Break Our laws and believe they should not be punished, because that is the culture they come from and President Obama nurtures, by wanting to reward them for their crimes, with Amnesty.
All you Anti-American Pro-illegal alien racist bigots, continue to support the culture of lawlessness and disrespect for the rule of law, that your pet Illegal Aliens bring here. What will we have, for your racist bigoted support of Illegal Immigration? A third world country, that resembles and will be, just like Mexico. All you have to do, to prove my factual analysis, is look at California and Mexico. Illegal Mexicans run here, to flee their third world country to create, what they ran from.
“We have never been an all white nation. We have always had blacks and whites. We have been a white majority, though. ”
GODDAYUM YOU ARE IGNORANT.
Let me tell you something – the acequia running through my property is older than the city of Boston. It was built by people with Hispanic last names, who taught the Pueblo Indians how to irrigate using them.
The Governor’s Palace in Santa Fe, New Mexico, is the oldest public building in this country. It was not built by white people or Africans. The people who built it were a mix of Hispanic and Native American. And 5 miles from where I’m sitting, there is the oldest continually inhabited residential structure in the United States – Taos Pueblo. They’ve lived there for over 2000 years.
History in this country did not begin when the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock, you bigoted idiot.
Europeans first came to Taos, New Mexico, when Coronado came here in: 1499. Got that? 1499.
The damn caucasians showed up much later, thank you.
SO………Coronado wasn’t a Caucasian? WTF?
As a member of a Native American tribe, I would argue that this country has always had a white majority. But it was the white man who took away the Indians’ land and forced them on the trail of tears which was mass murder of women and children. Pat Buchanan just wants to remember the good things the white man has done in this country.
The white population may not get how hurtful Buchanan’s comments could be to hispanics and African-Americans. The white may see it as a conversation that is needed while the minorities see it as continuing hatefulness that grows prejudice and resentment. I don’t feel racism can be warrented just because it might provide some educational benefit. MSNBC needs to stop Buchanan’s racist rants and viewers should switch the channel when MSNBC provides him a platform to spew his hate and white supremecy.
By the way, despite what you may have been taught, all non-whites were not living in harmony, singing songs about rainbows. They fought and raped and killed, just like whitey did. Whitey was just better at it (and had more advanced weapons)
Pat Buchanan is for the most part correct.We all know this. Is Buchanan saying white folks are superior? Shallow minds may think so. Are we still fighting over the ambiguity of words to insist on positions of intellectual self-defense? Grow up! European culture had a powerful influence on the shaping of this nation. It was the values inherent to “White” European culture that was an umbrella to all colors of people raised up within and accepting of those VALUES. Those values were the fruit of hundreds of years of trial and error and the fruit was a conviction among the brightest of the culture to seek freedom and knowledge. God and the Bible was the foundation for all that thought. Don’t beleive me? Incredible! What we witness today in America is the decline of American culture. The TOLERANCE of non-traditional VALUES will be our undoing. Even independently minded people of color can see this. This is Pat Buchanan’s point. Sheesch!
Tena,
I believe those hispanics you were speaking of ARE caucasian. Merriam-Webster:
Main Entry:Cau·ca·sian
Pronunciation:\kȯ-ˈkā-zhən, kä- also -ˈka-zhən\
Function:adjective
Date:1658
1 : of or relating to the Caucasus or its inhabitants
2 : of, constituting, or characteristic of a race of humankind native to Europe, North Africa, and southwest Asia and classified according to physical features —used especially in referring to persons of European descent having usually light skin pigmentation
I am a liberal watcher of MSNBC, and while I find this particular comment and his support for Sarah Palin distateful, Pat is overall one of my favorite pundits on the network. He is nobody’s shill and he gives objective analysis from his point of view, which he is there to represent. He is a smart historian and often can add interesting personal perspective from his colorful past to a debate and often cites relevant American history that is oftentimes insightful. I also get the sense that he is not really a bad guy. This liberal hopes to see Mr Buchanan continue to provide a strong dissenting opinion on MSNBC..
I like Pat! I agree with nothing that he says but he reminds me of my very old school African American father who still refers to people African Americans as ‘colored’. I question how much of that stuff Pat really believes, he’s not stupid, just over medicated.
I wonder how much the folks backing Paco Fabian paid to procure the headline for this article. His so-called leading organization was founded barely more tha a year ago. Sheesh! Having met Pat Buchanan twice and seen a number of articles by him, I appreciate that he is an advocate for the employment rights of American citizens. You may learn more about this new organization by viewing this page: http://www.americasvoiceonline.org/pages/about_americas_voice/
You will learn that open borders advocate Frank Sharry, who also is closely allied with AILA (the immigration attorney’s lobby organization) is the Founder and Executive Director. Paco Fabian is the Communications Director.
Rampant population growth threatens our economy and quality of life. Immigration, both legal and illegal, are fueling this growth. I’m not talking about environmental degradation or resource depletion. I’m talking about the effect upon rising unemployment and poverty in America.
I should introduce myself. I am the author of a book titled “Five Short Blasts: A New Economic Theory Exposes The Fatal Flaw in Globalization and Its Consequences for America.” To make a long story short, my theory is that, as population density rises beyond some optimum level, per capita consumption of products begins to decline out of the need to conserve space. People who live in crowded conditions simply don’t have enough space to use and store many products. This declining per capita consumption, in the face of rising productivity (per capita output, which always rises), inevitably yields rising unemployment and poverty.
This theory has huge implications for U.S. policy toward population management, especially immigration policy. Our policies of encouraging high rates of immigration are rooted in the belief of economists that population growth is a good thing, fueling economic growth. Through most of human history, the interests of the common good and business (corporations) were both well-served by continuing population growth. For the common good, we needed more workers to man our factories, producing the goods needed for a high standard of living. This population growth translated into sales volume growth for corporations. Both were happy.
But, once an optimum population density is breached, their interests diverge. It is in the best interest of the common good to stabilize the population, avoiding an erosion of our quality of life through high unemployment and poverty. However, it is still in the interest of corporations to fuel population growth because, even though per capita consumption goes into decline, total consumption still increases. We now find ourselves in the position of having corporations and economists influencing public policy in a direction that is not in the best interest of the common good.
The U.N. ranks the U.S. with eight third world countries – India, Pakistan, Nigeria, Democratic Republic of Congo, Bangladesh, Uganda, Ethiopia and China – as accounting for fully half of the world’s population growth by 2050. It’s absolutely imperative that our population be stabilized, and that’s impossible without dramatically reining in immigration, both legal and illegal.
If you’re interested in learning more about this important new economic theory, I invite you to visit my web site at OpenWindowPublishingCo.com where you can read the preface, join in my blog discussion and, of course, purchase the book if you like. (It’s also available at Amazon.com.)
Please forgive the somewhat spammish nature of the previous paragraph. I just don’t know how else to inject this new perspective into the immigration debate without drawing attention to the book that explains the theory.
Pete Murphy
Author, “Five Short Blasts”
@Josie — I think the most powerful example in our country of those who have total disrespect for the rule of law just left the office of the President and the Vice- President.
Sheesh! Unbelieveable! I think the only few logical posts were from picomanning and Eric. Pat Buchanan wasn’t being racial. Only people with racial issues would think this! He was telling the freakin truth. You can’t handle the truth, apparently. Sure there were other nationals here in the US along with whites. But as Pat stated, the country and it’s so-called democracy (laws, constitutions, bill of rights) were written “for the white man”! Don’t like the truth, too bad! Everything was built around the white man and it still was… until a few decades ago. If you think I am racist too, perhaps you all need to have your head examined very quickly! And get a few opinions on that too!
I like to hear Pat’s opinions. I don’t care what you think of the man, but I know he is not niave or dumb. I think he has some pretty “down-to-earth” replies and comments. I don’t always agree on his opinions or views. But I respect him because of that! I never EVER heard him being racial. I never ever heard him telling flat-out lies (like the FNC clowns). He always has an opinion because, hey! he gets paid for his views! What is wrong with that? I think it time for major America to step back with these hatred racial venues and start listening and learning; instead of pointing the fingers — like we are in Salem, MA 1600’s…
Just go back up and read half of these posts. You people are so quick to judge and destroy a man for factual comments? I honestly believe a majority of you negative posters didn’t even listen to what was said on the show and all you seen was the headline and that got you geared up for the attack. YOU are the wrong ones and you make me feel ashamed to be an American sometimes!
Josie – 60% of all hispanics are half white to begin with. A large majority, of the half-white hispanics are having children with white Americans, therefore making the U.S. even whiter.
Sociologist has determined that 83% of Black-Americans are half white. Why is it that if you are half-Hispanic, you are white, but if you are half-black, you are still black? Boy, you white conservatives and your narrow-minded concepts are really messed-up.
I find it interesting that Kathleen Hussein, mrspeel, Teena, Dave, 60th Street, and the other c*nts go on and on about bigotry, while ignoring roxsteady’s racist post. roxsteady and pretty much everyone else here deserves to die slowly and painfully.
Is it in their DNA? What is it about Irishman and being a bigot (too many of them on TV, Bill O’Reilly, Pat Buchanan, Lou Dobbs, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck), on the one hand Pat Buchanan, slams Sotomayor because her Yale grades, her experience on the courts are not valid because they were handed to her because of her race or she real did not even earn it, on the other hand he adamantly supports Palin because of her accomplished background, please, what a joke, he is an Irish bigot, plain and simple, like most of his thoughts.