Right Wing Media Decrying Obama’s Nobel Aligned With The Taliban?
Everyone, it seems, has an angle on the Nobel story.
Media Matters rushes out a new video dramatizing the media-oriented version of today’s Dem message, suggesting that right wing media figures, in decrying Obama’s Nobel win, are aligning themselves with the Taliban:
“They celebrate when America loses,” the video says of right wing media figures, showing them cheering the loss of the Olympica and moaning about Obama’s Nobel. “The Taliban agrees!”
In fairness, a few liberal commentators, too, have shown some skepticism about Obama’s Nobel: See Ezra Klein and Matthew Yglesias, for instance.
That said, the video really does highlight how far to the right the dominant conservative media figures have drifted. For them, any pride one might take in the sight of an American president winning the Nobel is immediately outweighed by two factors. First, the international prestige Obama gains from the Nobel might help him succeed at realizing his agenda. And second, the Nobel shows that the rest of the world seems to like us again.
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“n fairness, a few liberal commentators, too, have shown some skepticism about Obama’s Nobel: See Ezra Klein and Matthew Yglesias, for instance.”
AW god – Ezra looks about 16 years old, and Yglesias not much older.
When they grow up and accomplish something other than blogging, which no offense, ain’t that hard, they can talk.
Greg:
First, the international prestige Obama gains from the Nobel might help him succeed at realizing his agenda.
You keep saying this. What are you talking about? Which agenda is going to be helped by this, and how?
And second, the Nobel shows that the rest of the world seems to like us again.
Yeah…if by “the rest of the world” you mean 5 Norwegians.
“In fairness, a few liberal commentators, too, have shown some skepticism about Obama’s Nobel: See Ezra Klein and Matthew Yglesias, for instance.”
Good for you, Greg.
“They like us. Right now. They like us!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IynQCmqvXZs
“”"First, the international prestige Obama gains from the Nobel might help him succeed at realizing his agenda. And second, the Nobel shows that the rest of the world seems to like us again.”"”
That’s it to a ‘T’.
Last two sentences nailed it, Greg.
Scott — don’t you think the awarding of the Nobel to Obama was based partly on all the polls showing a shift in global attitudes towards America? I’d be surprised if that weren’t a key factor in the decision.
@Greg
My interest is, let’s ignore domestic politics for a minute. What does this say to the world stage? The man has just added “Nobel Peace Prize Winner” to his resume, whcih can only help any future attempts at diplomacy.
His already large influence on the global scene just got bigger.
His ability to broker deals just got a little easier.
His international support just got a little firmer.
On everything from terrorism to Iran to N. Korea to Darfur to nuclear proliferation to Russia, and on and on and on…this Nobel is being used to refinforce the efforts that lead to the ideals it stands for – peace. Almost (hopefully) like a self-fullfilling prophecy.
Can we take a moment to ignore the domestic political sparring, and see how the rest of the World might view it. How it might help, and who it might help us with…
Any chance you can use some of your journalistic skills to broach this topic…since no one else seems willing?
Participate in this Washington Post poll:
http://views.washingtonpost.com/post-user-polls/2009/10/obamas-nobel-prize.html?hpid=talkbox1
Actually, when you think about it, President Obama really did not put forth much effort to win such an award.
Did he purchase a faux ranch, before running for President, and then spend a lot of time on it, cutting brush, with the intention of getting rid of the place , once out of office, after it has served it’s purpose of fooling the rubes into thinking he was a real rugged outdoors sort of guy.
Obama never did that.
George W. Bush sure did, and he never got a Nobel prize for it.
And George W Bush put on bicycle shorts and rode that mountain bike for all he was worth. And they didn’t give him a Nobel Prize for it – it was partisanship, I tells ya!
“Just added “Nobel Peace Prize Winner” to his resume, whcih can only help any future attempts at diplomacy.”
Sure helped Arafat achieve peace.
Excellent. Expose the real traitors. AQ must be rejoicing in finding their berthern right inside US.
Now you have a clear explanation from The Comments Parasite. He has made it crystal clear.
The Taliban, Hamas, and Right Wing Republicans are just pi*sed of at “Five Norwegians”!
Well, that puts it all in perspective.
“Actually, when you think about it, President Obama really did not put forth much effort to win such an award.”
You’re right – he said he didn’t deserve it.
“Yeah…if by “the rest of the world” you mean 5 Norwegians.”
More people than than that, asshat: “Global survey says U.S. rises to most admired country in the world” – http://tinyurl.com/ycpynyh
This reaction displays for the world to see the arrogance of the D.C. establishment.
# Tena | October 9th, 2009 at 01:18 pm
And George W Bush put on bicycle shorts and rode that mountain bike for all he was worth. And they didn’t give him a Nobel Prize for it – it was partisanship, I tells ya!
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And President Obama never survived a suicidal attack by a Terrorist Pretzel, and yet they gave him a Nobel Peace Prize. So unfair.
“More people than than that, asshat: “Global survey says U.S. rises to most admired country in the world” ”
Hi Humanity Critic!
I cited that poll the other evening – I think it’s great. We went from number 7 when Bush was president, to number 1.
That’s the real “We’re Number 1″ not the fake kind the ratwing kept pushing.
Greg:
…don’t you think the awarding of the Nobel to Obama was based partly on all the polls showing a shift in global attitudes towards America?
No. Obviously I don’t know the minds of those on the committee, but I suspect that they awarded it to him because they like and want to promote his political agenda, particularly to the extent that it is perceived to contrast with that of his predecessor. I see it as little more than an expression of approval by the European political elite.
BTW, good editorial by NR which highlights the same view of “the world” that you seem to have.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NzU1ZDg4OGMzOGQ1MjkzZDMyYmRlMGI0YjgyNmU1OWQ=
And President Obama never ignored a PDB entitled: Bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside US.
What was the Nobel committee thinking?!
Obama should get a noble prize for making Republicans act like a bunch of cry babies.
“You’re right – he said he didn’t deserve it.”
SBJ, okay, we got it, you’re thrilled and vindicated that he said he didn’t deserve it. You can dine out on that tonight.
And we’re thrilled that he’s humble and hopeful and struck just the right note.
Sheesh.
noble = nobel
>>>And George W Bush put on bicycle shorts and rode that mountain bike<<<
And he taught the world about eating well…
…by not eating that pretzel.
“Obama should get a noble prize for making Republicans act like a bunch of cry babies.”
Ah, boo, that’s really giving a prize out for no accomplishment. They acted like that when they had the majority!
# sbj | October 9th, 2009 at 01:20 pm
“Actually, when you think about it, President Obama really did not put forth much effort to win such an award.”
You’re right – he said he didn’t deserve it.
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It is just awful, isn’t it! And now he is not willing to take even a small premature victory lap.
The least he could do is put on a flight suit, land on the deck of navy vessel, and hang up a “mission accomplished” banner.
What the hell is the matter with him!
Humanitycritic:
More people than than that…: “Global survey says U.S. rises to most admired country in the world”
The Nobel is awarded based on the votes of 5 Norwegians, not a global survey.
The gall of leftingers like media matters, greg, and his minion commenters here making comparisons to
AQ or the Taliban when people ask what Barack Hussein Obama (mmm-mmm-mmm) has done to get this award is shocking. You people have never heard an anti-American talking point you were against, and like Kos cheered when Americans were being killed in Iraq because you hated Bush.
Shill, so you hate Norwegians now?
What’s the matter with you?
“The least he could do is put on a flight suit, land on the deck of navy vessel, and hang up a “mission accomplished” banner.”
LOL!
It’s a crime that Commander CooCoo Bananas didn’t get a Nobel for that – he should have gotten the Nobel for Fiction that year for the banner.
Arafat got his Prize in company with the late Yitzak Rabin and Shimon Peres. Funny many comments here and elsewhere forget that additional fact pointing only to Arafat.
Greg: Yglesias and Klein may be great bloggers but I will not rely on them when it comes to assessing the implication for our country as Pres Obama pursues policies abroad which will be aimed at bringing stability both at home and elsewhere.
“like Kos cheered when Americans were being killed in Iraq because you hated Bush.”
Markos never cheered over any soldier’s death. Markos is veteran you nitwit.
Boy are The Taliban, Hamas, and The Comments Parasite really really pissed off at “Five Norwegians”!
BH, nobody cheered soldiers dying…oh wait.
The Republicans did. They cheer leaded the troops going off to fight a war we shouldn’t have been in. And anyone who spoke out against the mistake was labeled as un-American.
So, protecting the troops to Republicans is considered un-American but cheerleading them to their death in a war we shouldn’t be in (Iraq) is patriotic.
Got it.
Big Baby, here I updated your comments, hope you don’t mind:
President of the United States of America and Nobel Peace Prize Winner Barack Hussein Obama (mmm-mmm-mmm)
MMM MMM MMM INDEED! Woohoo! Congratulations Mr. President!
Here’s an article from the Time of India where they quote many world leaders. Again it seems to be a call to action.
Hope vs. Cynicism.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/World-leaders-hail-Obamas-surprise-Prize/articleshow/5106789.cms
“Markos never cheered over any soldier’s death. Markos is veteran you nitwit.”
Clearly you do not understand the circumstances here, tena. Markos said he felt nothing over the contractors’ deaths – they were veterans. Markos never apologized.
Riddle: Why didn’t Barack Obama win the Nobel Prize for Literature?
Answer: He wrote 2 books.
althouse
# Tena | October 9th, 2009 at 01:31 pm
“The least he could do is put on a flight suit, land on the deck of navy vessel, and hang up a “mission accomplished” banner.”
LOL!
It’s a crime that Commander CooCoo Bananas didn’t get a Nobel for that – he should have gotten the Nobel for Fiction that year for the banner.
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@Tena,
Ask me what my caption was for the Mission Accomplished stunt.
Ah Gwan Gwan Gwan Gwan. You know you want to know what it was!
“Clearly you do not understand the circumstances here, tena. Markos said he felt nothing over the contractors’ deaths – they were veterans. Markos never apologized.”
Since when are contractor veterans? Since when are private contractors soldiers? And when did Kos ever cheer anyone’s death?
That’s y’all projecting again – ever celebrate Pancake Day, Hugo? You know, the day Rachael Corrie was run over by an Israeli tank? I know the ratwing celebrated that every year. I don’t know if they still do, but I wouldn’t be surprised.
Hamas: “We condemn the award of the Nobel Peace Prize for Obama,”
Republicans: ‘We stand side by side with Hamas’
Hamas and Republicans together: ‘We want Obama to fail’
Liam – what was your caption?
http://www.militarycity.com/valor/honor.html
One thing I never see at this site is anytype of articles honoring our troops. Sure the local mouth off how they support the troops but the proof in the pudding!!
How many care packages have you sent?
How many times have you went to your local VA and gave your free time to help others?
How much money have you donated to different organization helping our troops and veterans?
How many dinners have you provided at holidays for those troops who have no family around?
We have lost more troops in Afghan in the last 2 months then in the entire 8 years.
Put aside you partisan hate and support our troops with honor all the time not just when it makes good political fodder!
At least the left has taken down the troop death count and basically ignore the troops now that a Dem is CIC.
October 2009 casualties
Click on the names to see a photograph and more information
October 01, 2009
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Army Spc. Paul E. Andersen, 49, of Dowagiac, Mich.; assigned to the 855th Quartermaster Company, U.S. Army Reserve, South Bend, Ind.; died Oct. 1 in Baghdad of wounds sustained when enemy forces attacked his camp using indirect fire.
Army Sgt. Roberto D. Sanchez, 24 of Satellite Beach, Fla.; assigned to the 1st Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment, Hunter Army Airfield Ga.; died Oct. 1 in Kandahar province, Afghanistan, of wounds sustained when enemy forces attacked his unit with an IED.
Army Spc. Russell S. Hercules Jr., 22 of Murfreesboro, Tenn.; assigned to the 4th Battalion, 101st Aviation Regiment, 159th Combat Aviation Brigade, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault), Fort Campbell, Ky.; died Oct. 1 in Wardak province, Afghanistan, of wounds sustained when insurgents attacked his unit with small-arms fire.
October 02, 2009
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Army Capt. Benjamin A. Sklaver, 32, of Medford, Mass.; assigned to the 422nd Civil Affairs Battalion, U.S. Army Reserve, Greensboro, N.C.; died Oct. 2 in Murcheh, Afghanistan, from wounds sustained when he was attacked by a suicide bomber. Also killed was Pfc. Alan H. Newton Jr.
Army Pfc. Alan H. Newton Jr., 26, of Asheboro, N.C.; assigned to the 422nd Civil Affairs Battalion, U.S. Army Reserve, Greensboro, N.C.; died Oct. 2 in Murcheh, Afghanistan, from wounds sustained when he was attacked by a suicide bomber. Also killed was Capt. Benjamin A. Sklaver.
Army Sgt. Ryan C. Adams, 26 of Rhinelander, Wis.; assigned to the 951st Engineer Company (Sapper), Wisconsin Army National Guard, Rhinelander, Wis.; died Oct. 2 in Logar province, Afghanistan, of wounds sustained when enemy forces attacked his vehicle using rocket-propelled grenade fire.
Army Pfc. Brandon A. Owens, 21, of Memphis, Tenn.; assigned to the 118th Military Police Company, 503rd Military Police Battalion, 16th Military Police Brigade, XVIII Airborne Corps, Fort Bragg, N.C.; died Oct. 2 in Wardak province, Afghanistan, of injuries sustained when enemy forces attacked his unit using small-arms fire. Also killed was Sgt. Aaron M. Smith.
Army Sgt. Aaron M. Smith, 25, of Manhattan, Kan.; assigned to the 2nd Battalion, 87th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division (Light Infantry), Fort Drum, N.Y.; died Oct. 2 in Wardak province, Afghanistan, of injuries sustained when enemy forces attacked his unit using small-arms fire. Also killed was Pfc. Brandon A. Owens.
October 03, 2009
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Army Staff Sgt. Thomas D. Rabjohn, 39, of Litchfield Park, Ariz.; assigned to the 363rd Explosive Ordnance Detachment, Arizona National Guard, Coolidge, Ariz.; died Oct. 3 in Wardak province, Afghanistan, of wounds sustained when an IED detonated during an attempt to disarm it.
Army Sgt. Justin T. Gallegos, 27, of Tucson, Ariz.; assigned to the 3rd Squadron, 61st Cavalry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division, Fort Carson, Colo.; died Oct. 3 in Kamdesh, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when enemy forces attacked his contingency outpost with small arms, rocket-propelled grenade and indirect fires. Also killed were Spc. Christopher T. Griffin, Sgt. Joshua M. Hardt, Sgt. Joshua J. Kirk, Spc. Stephan L. Mace, Staff Sgt. Vernon W. Martin, Sgt. Michael P. Scusa and Pfc. Kevin C. Thomson.
Army Spc. Christopher T. Griffin, 24, of Kincheloe, Mich.; assigned to the 3rd Squadron, 61st Cavalry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division, Fort Carson, Colo.; died Oct. 3 in Kamdesh, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when enemy forces attacked his contingency outpost with small arms, rocket-propelled grenade and indirect fires. Also killed were Sgt. Justin T. Gallegos, Sgt. Joshua M. Hardt, Sgt. Joshua J. Kirk, Spc. Stephan L. Mace, Staff Sgt. Vernon W. Martin, Sgt. Michael P. Scusa and Pfc. Kevin C. Thomson.
Army Sgt. Joshua M. Hardt, 24, of Applegate, Calif.; assigned to the 3rd Squadron, 61st Cavalry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division, Fort Carson, Colo.; died Oct. 3 in Kamdesh, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when enemy forces attacked his contingency outpost with small arms, rocket-propelled grenade and indirect fires. Also killed were Sgt. Justin T. Gallegos, Spc. Christopher T. Griffin, Sgt. Joshua J. Kirk, Spc. Stephan L. Mace, Staff Sgt. Vernon W. Martin, Sgt. Michael P. Scusa and Pfc. Kevin C. Thomson.
Army Sgt. Joshua J. Kirk, 30, of South Portland, Maine; assigned to the 3rd Squadron, 61st Cavalry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division, Fort Carson, Colo.; died Oct. 3 in Kamdesh, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when enemy forces attacked his contingency outpost with small arms, rocket-propelled grenade and indirect fires. Also killed were Sgt. Justin T. Gallegos, Spc. Christopher T. Griffin, Sgt. Joshua M. Hardt, Spc. Stephan L. Mace, Staff Sgt. Vernon W. Martin, Sgt. Michael P. Scusa and Pfc. Kevin C. Thomson.
Army Spc. Stephan L. Mace, 21, of Lovettsville, Va.; assigned to the 3rd Squadron, 61st Cavalry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division, Fort Carson, Colo.; died Oct. 3 in Kamdesh, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when enemy forces attacked his contingency outpost with small arms, rocket-propelled grenade and indirect fires. Also killed were Sgt. Justin T. Gallegos, Spc. Christopher T. Griffin, Sgt. Joshua M. Hardt, Sgt. Joshua J. Kirk, Staff Sgt. Vernon W. Martin, Sgt. Michael P. Scusa and Pfc. Kevin C. Thomson.
Army Staff Sgt. Vernon W. Martin, 25, of Savannah, Ga.; assigned to the 3rd Squadron, 61st Cavalry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division, Fort Carson, Colo.; died Oct. 3 in Kamdesh, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when enemy forces attacked his contingency outpost with small arms, rocket-propelled grenade and indirect fires. Also killed were Sgt. Justin T. Gallegos, Spc. Christopher T. Griffin, Sgt. Joshua M. Hardt, Sgt. Joshua J. Kirk, Spc. Stephan L. Mace, Sgt. Michael P. Scusa and Pfc. Kevin C. Thomson.
Army Sgt. Michael P. Scusa, 22, of Villas, N.J.; assigned to the 3rd Squadron, 61st Cavalry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division, Fort Carson, Colo.; died Oct. 3 in Kamdesh, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when enemy forces attacked his contingency outpost with small arms, rocket-propelled grenade and indirect fires. Also killed were Sgt. Justin T. Gallegos, Spc. Christopher T. Griffin, Sgt. Joshua M. Hardt, Sgt. Joshua J. Kirk, Spc. Stephan L. Mace, Staff Sgt. Vernon W. Martin and Pfc. Kevin C. Thomson.
Army Pfc. Kevin C. Thomson, 22, of Reno, Nev.; assigned to the 3rd Squadron, 61st Cavalry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division, Fort Carson, Colo.; died Oct. 3 in Kamdesh, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when enemy forces attacked his contingency outpost with small arms, rocket-propelled grenade and indirect fires. Also killed were Sgt. Justin T. Gallegos, Spc. Christopher T. Griffin, Sgt. Joshua M. Hardt, Sgt. Joshua J. Kirk, Spc. Stephan L. Mace, Staff Sgt. Vernon W. Martin and Sgt. Michael P. Scusa.
October 04, 2009
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Army Spc. Kevin O. Hill, 23, of Brooklyn, N.Y.; assigned to the 576th Mobility Augmentation Company, Fort Carson, Colo.; died Oct. 4 at Contingency Outpost Dehanna, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when enemy forces attacked his unit using small arms and indirect fires.
October 06, 2009
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Army Maj. Tad T. Hervas, 48, of Coon Rapids, Minn.; assigned to the 34th Infantry Division, Minnesota National Guard, Rosemont, Minn.; died Oct. 6 at Contingency Operating Base Basra, Iraq, of injuries sustained from a noncombat-related incident.
“althouse”
You quoted Althouse? O my god. O my god – too funny.
You know who else didn’t get the Nobel for literature? Vladimir Nabokov. It went the year he was short-listed to a Norwegian author who had only written 2 books.
“One thing I never see at this site is anytype of articles honoring our troops. Sure the local mouth off how they support the troops but the proof in the pudding!!”
Do you mind? That isn’t the topic, this isn’t your blog, you interrupting the conversation, which is rude.
# Tena | October 9th, 2009 at 01:40 pm
Liam – what was your caption?
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Tena,
I am glad that you asked me that question.
My Caption for President Bush’s Mission Accomplished publicity stunt was:
PREMATURE JACKASS ELATION.
Sound it out.
lmsinca – Thanks for the TOI link. What a great contrast – The whole world applauds this award with the only exceptions being AQ, Taliban and Hamas …and the right wingers. Precious…
@sbj
“Sure helped Arafat achieve peace.”
…and since he’s only other person awared the Nobel Peace Prize, that really cements your point.
You seem very much in need of a hug today…
Liam – I get it.
“The Nobel is awarded based on the votes of 5 Norwegians, not a global survey.”
Stevie Wonder can see the respect that the US has gained because of Obama’s Presidency.
sbj | October 9th, 2009 at 01:36 pm
“Markos never cheered over any soldier’s death. Markos is veteran you nitwit.”
Clearly you do not understand the circumstances here, tena. Markos said he felt nothing over the contractors’ deaths – they were veterans. Markos never apologized.
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You are correct SBJ the cheering against our troops pre-obama was morbidly sick. I expect no less this is the same crowd that spit on our soldiers when they came back from Nam.
Let them think they support Soldiers and Veterans, we know better.
As my brethren fight for their lives in Afghan I can only pray that soon Obama will take time out of his photo op schedule and do the right thing. Either give them what they need to win or bring them home right now.
No more will we be slaughtered on the battlefield while a Dem plays politics with War as we did in Vietnam.
Prize moment is over now Obama the world expects some results and your troops need you to bring in the reinforcements will you let them down?
Hey troops. Rather than just speculating on who we are and what we do, maybe a different approach would be appropriate.
Send some links to where people can help…for instance, Ackerman, who blogs on Salon, just posted a link to this site:
http://tankerbabelc985.vox.com/library/post/survivors-in-afghanistan-need-immediate-help—56-surviving-soldiers-lost-everything.html
to help out with the soldiers who lost everything on their FOB that you see in the news. Many came to the call after seeing that. I myself donated over $300 of supplies to these guys. I’m sure many others also came to the call.
Making claims about others is just the wrong way to go about things bro.
I heard this on the radio when I woke up this morning and thought The Onion had taken over NPR.
That said, since when is “deserving” a criterion? Kissinger and Arafat got Nobels. The entire bloody-handed Invade Iraq Now! neocon cabal got Presidential Medals of Freedom. Chuck “Bug the Watergate! Firebomb Brookings!” Colson gets the nation’s 2nd-highest civilian award on Human Rights Day, ferfarkssake. Ladies and Gentlemen, Irony has left the building.
But here’s the thing. This announcement will leave heads exploding all up and down the Limbaugh/Beck/Hannity/O’Reilly/Coulter/Malkin Axis of Stoopid, the entertainment value of which is not to be gainsaid. And all other things being equal, the more we laugh, the closer we come to world peace.
sbj – this is for you:
http://altmouse.blogspot.com/
George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Rush Limbaugh did not have to return from Vietnam.
None of their offspring have had to return from Iraq, or Afghanistan either.
Spare us your concern for the Troops. Your leaders were the ones who pissed away their lives, and ruined their bodies, for nothing in Iraq.
amk | October 9th, 2009 at 01:45 pm
lmsinca – Thanks for the TOI link. What a great contrast – The whole world applauds this award with the only exceptions being AQ, Taliban and Hamas …and the right wingers. Precious…
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Why the need to lie dude? Are you that insecure you need to lie?
absurd decision on Obama makes a mockery of the Nobel peace prize
timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6867711.ece
“And all other things being equal, the more we laugh, the closer we come to world peace.”
I love that sentence. I’m stealing it! It’s so damn true!
“Since when are contractor veterans?”
Um, when they are veterans?
Edumacate yourself about this famous incident, oh won’t you? Then we can talk.
I’m glad you enjoyed the Althouse joke – it was funny!
John Podheretz thinks the Nobel committee made the perfect choice:
“The Nobel Committee chose him wisely because he does, in fact, represent the organization’s highest ideals.
He is an American president queasy about the projection of American power. He is an American president who rejects the notion of American exceptionalism. He is an American president eagerly in pursuit of legitimacy to be granted him not by those who voted for him but by those who do not cast a vote and who chafe at American leadership. It is his devout wish that America become one of many nations, influencing the world indirectly or not influencing it at all, rather than “the indispensable nation,” as Madeleine Albright characterized it. He is the encapsulation, the representative, the wish fulfillment, the very embodiment, of the multilateralist impulse. He is, almost literally, a dream come true for the sorts of people who treasure and value the Nobel Peace Prize.”
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/jpodhoretz/121132
Second that amk, thanks lmsinca.
I love the Japanese response, maybe the most poignant since Obama has been leading the fight against nuclear weapons:
Newly-elected Japanese Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama said he saw “the world changing” since Obama entered the White House on January 20.
“I am really pleased. I want to congratulate him from my heart,” Hatoyama said on a visit to China, recalling an Obama speech calling for a nuclear-free world. Japan is the only country to have suffered a nuclear attack.
And this is just awesome and touching:
Japan’s Obama City erupts in joy over Nobel Peace Prize
The small Japanese port city of Obama hailed Friday its namesake, US President Barack Obama, who was earlier sensationally awarded the Nobel Peace Prize just nine months into his term.
“We want to create banners to celebrate the award and put them up at our shopping arcades and at the city hall,” Fujiwara said.
“He is going to visit Japan in November. We enthusiastically invite him to visit our city,” he said.
Obama City mayor Koji Matsuzaki also paid tribute.
“For a city that supported him, there is no greater joy than this,” he said in a statement.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/Japans-Obama-City-erupts-in-joy-over-Nobel-Peace-Prize-/articleshow/5106895.cms
“That said, the video really does highlight how far to the right the dominant conservative media figures have drifted. For them, any pride one might take in the sight of an American president winning the Nobel is immediately outweighed by two factors. First, the international prestige Obama gains from the Nobel might help him succeed at realizing his agenda. And second, the Nobel shows that the rest of the world seems to like us again.”
Greg et al.,
If you want to make sensible observations, you really need to make more of an effort correctly to understand what the other side is saying, or perhaps to give an honest account of it.
I have not seen and can’t imagine any conservative fearing that the Nobel will somehow help Obama achieve his agenda (or whatever part of it you have in mind). To the contrary, we are quite pleased to the extent we think the Prize will likely undermine his domestic credibility. On the other hand, it probably further weakens him abroad vis a vis our many enemies. That could be good or bad depending on what he does in the future about it. Likely bad for him in terms of getting done what he would like. Bad for the country if it means that plunges further into appeasement and abasement as foreign policy.
As for showing that “the rest of the world likes us again,” no, conservatives take it as a sign that the Nobel committee and the socialist elites they represent recognize and approve Obama’s surrender of leadership and his habitual denigration of America.
And how can you just say “in fairness” liberals have “shown skepticism”? The reaction of the DNC is outrageous, and you should admit it.
mike from Arlington | October 9th, 2009 at 01:50 pm
Hey troops. Rather than just speculating on who we are and what we do, maybe a different approach would be appropriate.
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Don’t you spend your time speculating about others? Maybe you should take your own advice.
Why does this site not have any links up? Why don’t they put some up?
Thank you for your support I hope it continues and hope more will join in and support our troops, now that a Republican is not in charge.
Considering the comments from our right wing and libertarian friends here and in the media, as well as some in the halls of congress, this just about sums it up for me.
“The committee is well aware that history is contingent and that Obama might fail. It knows very well that the same country that elected Obama also gave the world George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan.”
“The initial steps that Obama has taken are already under fierce attack. The Obama administration has now recognized that the Afghan Taliban are not a threat to the United States and that the United States can live with the Afghan Taliban playing a role in the government of Afghanistan. But right-wing forces in the military, Congress, think tanks and the media are denouncing these moves towards sanity as surrender. They want a full-out Vietnam against the Taliban.”
:That’s what the Nobel Committee is trying to do for Obama now. It’s giving an award to encourage the change in world relations that Obama has promised, and to try to help shield Obama against his domestic adversaries.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/nobel-committee-strategic_b_314980.
conservatives take it as a sign that the Nobel committee and the socialist elitesZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Contractors are Mercenaries. What they were before that does not change the fact that they became war profiteering Mercenaries.
What Bernie Madoff used to be, does not excuse what he became.
Mercenaries are War Profiteering Scum.
Liam | October 9th, 2009 at 01:52 pm
George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Rush Limbaugh did not have to return from Vietnam.
None of their offspring have had to return from Iraq, or Afghanistan either.
Spare us your concern for the Troops. Your leaders were the ones who pissed away their lives, and ruined their bodies, for nothing in Iraq.
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Spare me your Bush darangement syndrome. What does Bush have to do with the left spitting on our troops that the DNC sent to war in Vietnam?
You are one sad soul, support like yours makes me wonder why I would fight for your freedom.Something you obviously would never do for me.
“I’m glad you enjoyed the Althouse joke – it was funny!”
Did you follow my link? It’s really a funny Althouse joke.
Really funny.
Hey Troops, I support the troops. Thank you for posting the list of dead in Afghanistan. I hope you were also able to view the caskets returning home after that attack that killed 8 of our troops. The first images of war dead returning home that we have been allowed to see. I think we should embrace the troops and salute the dead for the cause they have committed their lives to, that being, keeping the country safe and protecting our rights.
I assume that our conservative friends agree that we should salute the American troops and the Commander in Chief. COUNTRY FIRST!
Y’all (and the DNC) would be wise to stop calling the Taliban and Hamas “terrorists,” else we all begin to wonder why you want to stop fighting Taliban terrorists or leave Taliban terrorists to run Afghanistan or allow Taliban terrorists to join in the Afghani government.
“What does Bush have to do with the left spitting on our troops that the DNC sent to war in Vietnam?”
NOBODY EVER SPIT ON ONE SOLDIER. THAT HAS NEVER BEEN ANYTHING OTHER THAN AN URBAN LEGEND.
@tena: I don’t click on your links – I’m spiteful.
Imsinca – ““The initial steps that Obama has taken are already under fierce attack. The Obama administration has now recognized that the Afghan Taliban are not a threat to the United States and that the United States can live with the Afghan Taliban playing a role in the government of Afghanistan. But right-wing forces in the military, Congress, think tanks and the media are denouncing these moves towards sanity as surrender. They want a full-out Vietnam against the Taliban.””
O goodness, what a perfect assessment.
sbj – I figured that. Too bad – you’re missing a genius joke.
“Stevie Wonder can see the respect that the US has gained because of Obama’s Presidency.”
If you define respect as disrespect. Pohhoretz is exactly right. Obama was given the award for joining in international elite scorn for American leadership and power, and promising to abandon them.
You liberals don’t understand the difference between being respected and being scorned, mocked, and brought to heel. Those Euro-socialists “like” us when we do what they tell us and agree with them that America is the problem with the world. Obama agrees with them, as you do. Hence, the Nobel committee rewarded him. You are proud, and you should be.
This guy calling himself “Troops” is a fraud. The Right Wingers have been taking a pounding for their reaction to President Obama get the award, so he shows up here with his Vietnam strawman diversion tactics.
Most of you were not even alive when that war ended. He is a complete fraud.
hey troops, stuff a sock in it.
You bother to check out that link I sent? Many liberal bloggers linked to that blog. They got support and were able to refit that group of guys within’ 36 hours.
We all appreciate the job our soldiers are doing. Having beef with the old Pres on bad decisions doesn’t equate to people spitting on troops in Vietnam. That is something that just never happened this time around.
Give it a rest.
The Taliban, Hamas, And Quarterback. All singing from the same sheet music.
@lmsinca:
“The Obama administration has now recognized that the Afghan Taliban are not a threat to the United States and that the United States can live with the Afghan Taliban playing a role in the government of Afghanistan.”
The DNC just called the Taliban terrorists. We authorized the President to use force “against those …organizations… he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.”
The day we let five Norwegians dictate how my President should defend America is the day I, I … I’m not sure what I”ll do. Probably puke or cry or something.
quarterback – so true.
That’s why I am so proud of America because the President of the United States of America, Barack Hussein Obama, won the Nobel Peace Prize. So that obviously means that I hate America and love Europe.
stupid boring jerk, PLEASE tell me what would be wise to do! I am just *dying* to know what you think would be WISE, especially after reading your enlightened commentary.
sbj, at first the Sunni’s fought side by side with the insurgents in Iraq. These insurgents were often recruited by Al-Qaeda. We then started paying the Sunni’s to fight with us and join the newly elected Govn’t. This was a plan designed by the military and endorsed by Republicans.
Were you outraged at that plan?
Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld would not let the nation see the returning fallen, and The Right Wingers, like This “Troops” fraud, cheered Bush on all the way.
Bush spat on the coffins of the fallen Troops, and guys like this “Troops” fraud, supported him, all the way.
lmsinca:
They want a full-out Vietnam against the Taliban.
This just proves that the committee has a cartoonish understanding of American politics.
The shrill caustic bleating from the de facto leaders of the Republican Party sends the unmistakable message that they want President Obama, and America to fail. They would gladly see our country humiliated and defeated rather than have Obama take credit for even the smallest success. If they are going to blame Obama for cloudy days, then they have to give him credit for the sunshine, too. The hypocrisy of the Republicans makes them look petty and foolish beyond measure.
Glenn Beck claims that, “The Nobel Peace Prize should be turned down by Barack Obama and given to the Tea Party goers and the 9/12 Project.”
Yeah, if there’s one thing that says “peace” it’s semiliterate irrational mobs comparing Obama to Hitler, denouncing ACORN as Obama’s SS, and continuing the “death panel” hysteria. Yup, these folks were a veritable crowd of latter day Ghandis. I can’t see why the Nobel Prize Committee overlooked these loons good people.
When Obama loses, it is a sign of his weakness on the international stage. When he wins arguably the biggest prize possible on the international stage, they still complain. Honestly, it’s as if their response was, “Yeah he won the Nobel Peace Prize, but can he fly?”
Come on guys. Do you even think for a nanosecond before expelling hot gas out of your pieholes?
“I, I … I’m not sure what I”ll do. Probably puke or cry or something.”
Sweet Jumping Jezuz – Glenn Beck dat you? You crying?
My point is this. It’s possible for an enemy to become an ally. I think the next strategy will encompass that in Afghanistan. We’ll know shortly.
Liam – “This guy calling himself “Troops” is a fraud.” Yup. Another sock puppet for bilge/qb. As mike sez, he can stuff a sock in it. All this faux patriotism is just that.
An experiment in logic – brought to you by the RNC and Blackwater:
World hates Bush = World hates America
World loves Obama = Everyone should hate Obama
This has been an experiment in logic – brought to you by the RNC and Blackwater.
When the Republicans regain power, first thing on their foreign policy agenda, will be to invade Norway.
Yer either with us or agin us, Heh Heh heh.
“Yeah, if there’s one thing that says “peace” it’s semiliterate irrational mobs comparing Obama to Hitler, denouncing ACORN as Obama’s SS, and continuing the “death panel” hysteria. Yup, these folks were a veritable crowd of latter day Ghandis. I can’t see why the Nobel Prize Committee overlooked these loons good people.”
You left the most important part – the should have gotten the Nobel Peace Prize for packing major heat to go to where the president was speaking and they had signs that suggested they were up for violence with those guns.
Now if that doesn’t just scream: “World Peace” I don’t know what does.
“My point is this. It’s possible for an enemy to become an ally. I think the next strategy will encompass that in Afghanistan. We’ll know shortly.”
It’s possible to negotiate with some moderate elements of Taliban – perhaps. But to abandon the counter-insurgency strategy and take the fight only to al qaeda is precisely what we did in Vietnam, it is precisely what was failing in Iraq.
Sarah Palin is wondering what the Nobel Prize is and why she didn’t get one.
“the counter-insurgency strategy and take the fight only to al qaeda is precisely what we did in Vietnam, it is precisely what was failing in Iraq.”
That’s the most bewilderingly mistaken statement I’ve seen in a long time. What the hell are you talking about?
The Teabaggers were nominated? Is this what Glen Beck believes.
And this is the guy that the Right Wing Nutters are all flocking to watch!
Who is Glenn Becks’ fall back nominee, Peter Pan!
Some photos from Afghanistan showing what getting around involves
http://www.slideshare.net/fforfaisal/carreteras-afganistan
You know, I used to get a similar reaction to my big sister when my mom would tell me I did a good job…she was always so jealous.
Thanks Mike
I knew that post would raise some eyebrows and ire.
It’s the 21st. Century folks, let’s see if we can figure out a way to end the war even if we don’t leave the country in the hands of our so perfect friends over there, oh yeah, we don’t have any. Let’s work with what we’ve got and get the hell out.
and sbj – as far as Kos, the military and contractors go – the military absolutely despises those independent contractors. Despises them.
So anything Kos said vis-a-vis contractors was something that anyone in the US military would say – so he was disrespecting the troops.
>>>to abandon the counter-insurgency strategy and take the fight only to al qaeda is precisely what we did in Vietnam, it is precisely what was failing in Iraq.<<<
HAHAHAHAHA!
@Mike: ““My point is this. It’s possible for an enemy to become an ally. I think the next strategy will encompass that in Afghanistan. We’ll know shortly.”
This was already a part of the strategy announced 6 months ago:
“Encouraging Afghan government efforts to integrate reconcilable insurgents
“While Mullah Omar and the Taliban’s hard core that have aligned themselves with al Qaeda are not reconcilable and we cannot make a deal that includes them, the war in Afghanistan cannot be won without convincing non-ideologically committed insurgents to lay down their arms, reject al Qaeda, and accept the Afghan Constitution.
Practical integration must not become a mechanism for instituting medieval social policies that give up the quest for gender equality and human rights. We can help this process along by exploiting differences among the insurgents to divide the Taliban’s true believers from less committed fighters.”
Accomplishing these goals involves protecting the citizenry and that requires more troops.
Imsinca – “. Let’s work with what we’ve got and get the hell out.”
It’s Afghanistan – that is the only sane thing to do. It’s the only strategy that will work.
Chuck – chuckle. Won’t be surprised at all if she said that.
Todd; Sarah, President Obama has won a Nobel Prize.
Sarah; Really. I did not know that he could sing. I love that carol. Nobel Nobel the angels did sing,,, and Todd would you bring me my binoculars, I want to take a peeky boo at Russia.
Freehold. Pretty cool pics.
“so he was disrespecting the troops.”
dammit – Preview and Edit!
He was hardly disrespecting the troops.
Hey, “troops,”
I’ve got news for you. George W. Bush metaphorically spit on Viet Nam era soldiers when he used the connections of his grandpa and his daddy to get cushy, safe stateside duty flying cool jets and getting drunk and chasing skirts in his off hours. He then spit on them again when he went AWOL so he could get drunk and chase skirts full time.
John Kerry legitimately won three Purple Hearts, a Silver Star, and a Bronze Star, yet the rightwingnuts called him a coward. What medals did W win? Oh yeah, a Purple STD, Silver Coke spoon, and a Bronze Barstool. Painting a chicken hawk like W as some kind of überRambo patriot is insulting to those who have actually served their country honorably.
Save the “we’re more patriotic than you” ****, because it has worn thin.
“I love that carol…”
LOLOLOLOLOL[fallingoutofchairlaughing]
sbj-
Sadly, our human rights goals may not always dovetail with political reality or events on the ground. I don’t know if we can ever expect them to always align however much we may want them to in every case.
It’s hard not to see this award as being more about putting a thumb in George Bush’s eye than celebrating Obama, so the Republicans really are being baited into their reaction.
@tena: Kos was talking about ex-special forces who had been burned alive and chopped into large pieces and then strung up. You are sick!
“That’s the most bewilderingly mistaken statement I’ve seen in a long time. What the hell are you talking about?”
Then you have no understanding of what happened in Iraq. We were trying to win the war by fighting against the terrorists only – but we were not holding territory or protecting the citizenry. We would leave an area we had controlled and it would fall back into terrorist control. Innocent Iraqi civilians were being victimized by terrorist suicide bombings and were therefore losing faith in the US. We were losing the war and Iraq was in danger of falling back under terrorist control. Petraeus (however you spell his name) changed all of that with a new strategy – COIN. It involved capturing and holding territory, protecting the civilian population, using the correct ratio of troops to population, partnering with moderate elements of the insurgency, among other elements. It was the “surge” that led us to the point today where we can begin drawing down troops while leaving Iraq a successful; democracy.
@Ethen Thank you for your support and all others who sincerly support our troops. Thank you to all that have donated and given their time to support our troops past and present.
I still stand by my comment that this site which I have been reading for quite sometime does not show support of our troops with articles or links.
Thank you to those who have called me a fraud and claim to know who and what I support. I’m sure your service record is outstanding.
I support our CIC regardless of what party they are from, that is my job. It is not my job to be political only to support our troops and our CIC. I expect in turn our CIC to support us and be priority number one when our congress and senate vote to send us to war.I expect the American people to support the troops regardless is they are from the moonbat left or lunatic right.
To those who think that it is an myth that our soldiers were spit on during Vietnam please graduate from fairy tales to the real word.
God Bless our Troops
Freedom is not Free
A veteran is always a veteran forever and ever regardless if he/she is a Blackwater employee or a dishwasher at McDonalds.
Conservative trolls, do you agree with Pat Buchanan that the Right shouldn’t attack President Obama because “he hasn’t done anything wrong”?
Just trying to get an idea as to where you stand.
“Then you have no understanding of what happened in Iraq. We were trying to win the war by fighting against the terrorists only ”
O god you are so wrong. What fraking terrorists? There were no goddamn terrorists in Iraq until we bombed it.
OUr objective was to get rid of the government of Iraq – no, really, it started out to be all about mythical WMDs were gonna destroy.
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If you believe that about vets, then let’s see some respect for Markos Moulitsas. HE is a veteran.
“It points out what actually happened in Vietnam: by employing what we now call a counter-insurgency strategy, American forces had actually won the war by 1970, only to toss it away later by abandoning the South Vietnamese government. That strategy, similar to what has been pursued successfully in Iraq with the “surge,” replaced the failed search-and-destroy effort of General William Westmoreland. Despite this history, search-and-destroy, which had failed in Iraq, is what Vice President Biden and other Democrats are urging in Afghanistan. They refer to it today as counter-terrorism.
“The hero in Vietnam was General Creighton Abrams. He concluded that concentrating on killing enemy soldiers, as Westmoreland had, was a losing strategy. Under Abrams, “the object was not destruction but control, and in this case particularly control of the population.” It worked. “There came a time when the war was won,” Sorley writes. “The fighting wasn’t over but the war was won.”
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/10/the_real_lessons_of_vietnam_1.asp
@Gasman if I were GWB your comments might make sense but since I am not well I do wonder what your point is?
Do I need to pull up the links from the last eight years of the left death count of troops killed in Iraq? Do I need to pull up all the hate towards our troops?
I don’t think so you fine adults are capable of knowing the truth if you dare allow yourself.
And troop – if you take the side of a private contractor over regular military, like Kos – I don’t believe for one nano-second that you are a troop, ever were one or ever will be.
@tena: Do you not understand that those private contractors were Iraqi war veterans???!!!
Tena | October 9th, 2009 at 02:34 pm
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If you believe that about vets, then let’s see some respect for Markos Moulitsas. HE is a veteran.
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Make some sense there lady, assuming you are one.
I have not disrepected this man.I have not wished he hang from a bridge burning then his remains chopped into pieces while I feel nothing.
Is there anyone else you would like to demand I show some repect for? Maybe you should demand you repect yourself.
I haven’t been following the debate with Troops too carefully, but Kos hardly deserves much respect from anyone, not with his deplorable record. Being a vet doesn’t immunize him from criticism for his deplorable record, which as I recall does include saying that murdered contractors deserved what they got.
Ethan, you are not only a Stalinist twerp but an uneducated moron. Criticism of the Nobel award isn’t an attack on Obama. (Not that Obama didn’t in large part earn it by attacking his domestic political opponents.)
“@tena: Do you not understand that those private contractors were Iraqi war veterans???!!!”
Every single contractor working for Blackwater, Custer Battles and the rest were vets.
Ooook. And I supposed I’m wrong about regular military and how they feel about those contractors?
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Oooook.
Yeah, I’m ignorant. Mmm mmm mmm
Tena | October 9th, 2009 at 02:37 pm
And troop – if you take the side of a private contractor over regular military, like Kos – I don’t believe for one nano-second that you are a troop, ever were one or ever will be.
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What planet are you from? Taking sides? You mean to say that I should feel nothing like Markos when a veteran is burned to death and hung from a bridge then chopped to pieces all video taped for the world to see.
You seem to have some type of mental illness are you pstd? When did you serve?
QB there is no debate just some crazy named Tena demanding I respect Markos over veterans that were killed serving in Iraq.
I have nothing else to say to that flake.
Yes, tena. What is going on? I am, to be honest, appalled. You feel that American war veterans who have been burned alive and hacked to chunks and strung up deserve no sympathy at all because they were working for Blackwater?
Really?
That’s really, really, really scary and sick and quite disturbing. They once fought for you. Perhaps they had wives and children who had to watch their husbands/fathers’ bodies being mutilated?
OMFG, sbj, you did NOT just link to THE NeoConservative rag as your explanation re: Iraq. Please tell me you didn’t just do that. Hilarious.
Dumbass, they were tortured and killed BECAUSE they were from Blackwater. And not because the Iraqis who killed them thought they were Blackwater, because Blackwater SENT THEM OUT TO DIE.
You either don’t know what really happened and don’t care (the hearings were on CSPAN, I watched), or you are willing to lie about it. Either way, you are a pig.
“Yes, tena. What is going on? I am, to be honest, appalled. You feel that American war veterans who have been burned alive and hacked to chunks and strung up deserve no sympathy at all because they were working for Blackwater?”
O put words in my mouth again and then get shocked! shocked I tell you at what you claim I said that I didn’t say, that you just said I said.
Frak you and that stupid game you play.
And when the families of the dead — whose memory your are DISGRACING with your lies — sought the truth about what happened, they were told SUE US, GO AHEAD.
**** YOU and your shameless abuse of the memory of those bravest of the brave who Blackwater SACRIFICED.
And when the families of the dead — whose memory your are DISGRACING with your lies — sought the truth about what happened, they were told by Blackwater, “SUE US, GO AHEAD AND SUE.”
**** YOU and your shameless abuse of the memory of those bravest of the brave who Blackwater SACRIFICED.
The iraqis killed and maimed those contractors for one reason: they had just found out what was going on inside Abu Ghraib. That’s why they were so enraged.
Contractors were torturing Iraqis.
Disgusting PIG. Whoring the dead like that. You should be ASHAMED.
Shorter assback:
REPECT THE TROOPS, except when they come home and have an opinion that they fought to protect. YEAH!
Shorter assback:
RESPECT THE TROOPS, except when they come home and have an opinion that they fought to protect. YEAH!
wtf? This is beyond belief.
hey troops troll – Get the fvck out of here if you can’t take the heat.
sbj – Enjoying all the skewering ?
@amk: ???
Good Lord. The Abu Ghraib abuse had nothing to do with Blackwater. It was a group of Reservists who abused those prisioners.
@Ethan No doubt the Blackwater Company holds part of the responsibility for these deaths. That in no way pardons the acts of those that killed these men. It also does not sheild their families having to watch their loved one’s watch this brutal act shortly after it happened.
To call SBJ what you have is wrong the only pig I find out here seems to be that lady Tena.
@amk I’m sure I can take much more heat then you can dream of. Would you like to try to apply some?
When the contractors weren’t busy raping American women, and locking them up in shipping containers for 24 hours and threatening to kill them if they told…
RESPECT THE TROOPS, except when they come home and have an opinion that they fought to protect. YEAH!
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Sure that is no problem as long as that opinion does not involve disrepecting the deaths of other veterans.
“No doubt the Blackwater Company holds part of the responsibility for these deaths.”
They hold full responsibility. You obviously know the events that led up to their deaths, so you should agree with me.
“That in no way pardons the acts of those that killed these men. It also does not sheild their families having to watch their loved one’s watch this brutal act shortly after it happened.”
Of course not. Horrific doesn’t even begin to scratch the surface…
… which is ALL THE MORE REASON why Blackwater should have responded in good faith to the families of the dead. They not only didn’t respond in good faith, they were openly hostile. Again, you know this.
“To call SBJ what you have is wrong”
I disagree. He can lie as much as he wants about Barack Obama. Fine. I think it’s hilarious, frankly. But to lie about the contractors who were sent off to die like sacrificial lambs. That is crossing the line. He is a pig. I’m sorry. But until he apologizes or makes some remediation in regards to that comment, he is a pig and that is my opinion.
And you know, the contractors were really busy with their totally gross drunken, nude orgies while supposedly guarding our embassy in Kabul.
Love those private contractors! Souls of honor, those guys.
Who gave Blackwater prosecutorial immunity?
@Ethan: Please point out my lie.
troops troll – for all your macho talk, you sure are whiny. I bet you’re another shurb type – a draft dodger. Wrapping yourself in “patriotic flag” doesn’t fool anyone.
troops,
“Do I need to pull up the links from the last eight years of the left death count of troops killed in Iraq? Do I need to pull up all the hate towards our troops?”
Yeah, actually you do. If you are going to hurl ridiculously hyperbolic straw man accusations like that you do need to make citations to back them up. What “hate towards our troops” has the left displayed in the last eight years? I heard criticisms of Bush and Cheney and their policies, but not a single criticism of the soldiers themselves. Are you asserting that acknowledging the deaths of fallen heros is somehow unpatriotic? Wouldn’t it be unpatriotic to not acknowledge the ultimate sacrifice of men or women who have died while serving their country? I remember the faux outrage that those on the right had when Nightline merely read the names of soldiers who had died in Iraq, as if acknowledging their heroism was somehow unpatriotic.
Bush’s decision to not allow photos or video of war dead coming off the planes at Dover is just another example of him spitting on our troops. They died in service to our country following his orders and he seems to think that they should remain anonymous and not receive the respect they so richly deserve.
I will say to you what Rep. Anthony Weiner recently said to Betsy McCaughey, “I feel like I am debating a pyromanic in a straw man factory.”
@Ethan: My lie? Quote please.
“Good Lord. The Abu Ghraib abuse had nothing to do with Blackwater. It was a group of Reservists who abused those prisioners.”
No, it was a group of Reservists whom the Bush Administration convicted of abusing prisoners. The Reservists took the fall for the Administration, the CIA, and the contractors.
Ethan | October 9th, 2009 at 03:06 pm
They hold full responsibility. You obviously know the events that led up to their deaths, so you should agree with me.
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Ethan, I do know what lead up to these events. I don’t agree much of what Blackwater was/is/did and in this case I do agree with you that Blackwater should have done as you say to the families of these men and that is “Yes, Ma’am how high, do you need some more”
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Of course not. Horrific doesn’t even begin to scratch the surface…
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I agree I don’t think I can find a word disgusting enough to describe those acts.
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… which is ALL THE MORE REASON why Blackwater should have responded in good faith to the families of the dead. They not only didn’t respond in good faith, they were openly hostile. Again, you know this–
Agreed
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I disagree. He can lie as much as he wants about Barack Obama. Fine. I think it’s hilarious, frankly. But to lie about the contractors who were sent off to die like sacrificial lambs. That is crossing the line. He is a pig. I’m sorry. But until he apologizes or makes some remediation in regards to that comment, he is a pig and that is my opinion.
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Silly all our comments are lies to others including yours. It makes no sense to attack SBJ for his comments and I don’t see him as a pig niether do I see you as a pigs.I also don’t think he needs to apologize. I will say if you keep it up towards him you might be the one that needs to apologize.
This creep “Troops” does not care one rat’s arse about those mercenaries, or any of the actual troops. He is just another Right Wing War Monger who is using the real sacrifices of real soldiers, for his sick political spin games.
“It was the ’surge’ that led us to the point today”
“You feel that American war veterans who have been burned alive and hacked to chunks and strung up deserve no sympathy at all because they were working for Blackwater?”
“But to abandon the counter-insurgency strategy and take the fight only to al qaeda is precisely what we did in Vietnam, it is precisely what was failing in Iraq.”
You lie every single day. These are just 3 recent examples. Pig.
“I don’t agree much of what Blackwater was/is/did and in this case I do agree with you that Blackwater should have done as you say to the families of these men”
Glad you agree. But I find your statement odd after you suggested that Blackwater only ‘holds part of the responsibility for these deaths.’
They hold FULL responsibility and you know it.
“Silly all our comments are lies to others including yours. It makes no sense to attack SBJ for his comments”
All I’ll say is that he lies every day. He is a proven lying pig.
@Gasman
Talk about Strawman’s, I just posted the deaths of those who have given the ultimate sacrifice in Afghan for the month of October. You know I am not making strawman or telling false hoods but you keep denying it! The left cheered fro failure in Iraq and even the leaders of the Left spit on the troops. Murtha falsely accused them of beign cold blooded murders. Harry “loser” Reid the surge will fail. Denying funding was another one of their tricks and that includes Senator Obama!
But our troops are tuff and the best in the world and they did no fail even without the DNC support. The DNC leaders worked hard for 7 years after they voted to send our troops in harm way to try to ensure that Bush failed in Iraq and that is not supporting the troops.
Never celebrated it, never heard of it, but that is the funniest thing I’ve ever read in a post of yours Tena. I can’t think of another person besides Rachel Corrie who better typifies that rightwing talking point (doesn’t make it false) that you people aren’t so much antiwar as you are pro-the other side. She died defending tunnels used by suicide bombers, too bad they don’t give Nobels posthumously (or to pancakes).
Soooo… in other words, I didn’t lie?
You accused me of whoring out the Blackwater deaths and disgracing their memory with lies — and you can produce no statement that shows I lied at any time about those deaths.
C’mon, Ethan. I didn’t lie about that incident.
Ethan | October 9th, 2009 at 03:32 pm
“I don’t agree much of what Blackwater was/is/did and in this case I do agree with you that Blackwater should have done as you say to the families of these men”
Glad you agree. But I find your statement odd after you suggested that Blackwater only ‘holds part of the responsibility for these deaths.’
They hold FULL responsibility and you know it.
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No I don’t know that and don’t believe it. If I say Blackwater holds all responsibility for these deaths then that pardons those who actually killed, burned, dragged these men around the city then chopped them up. I cannot do that. Those that commited this act are just as responsible as Blackwater in my eyes.
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All I’ll say is that he lies every day. He is a proven lying pig.
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Whatever you are just acting like a hard headed fool on this one.
Thanks again for your support of the troops!
“I didn’t lie about that incident.”
Yes you did. You lied when you put words in Tena’s mouth that the ones who were slaughtered, “deserve no sympathy at all because they were working for Blackwater.” That is clearly not what she said. She said that contractors are despised by the military. You are a liar and a pig.
“No I don’t know that and don’t believe it. If I say Blackwater holds all responsibility.”
I respect that position. But I still think it is wrong because they would have been able to defend themselves against attacks if it wasn’t for Blackwater.
In fact, while it may be distasteful to you I can actually understand the rage those attackers felt. Nothing JUSTIFIES what they did, but let’s face it, their country was occupied in a brutal take-over and they had recently witnessed inhumane and torturous treatment of their fellow citizens — a large number of whome were totally innocent — at Abu Ghraib.
Frankly, if Iraq occupied the USA and then held, humiliated and tortured innocent Americans, I’d be the first in line for a piece of them.
“No I don’t know that and don’t believe it. If I say Blackwater holds all responsibility…….”
I respect that position. But I still think it is wrong because they would have been able to defend themselves against attacks if it wasn’t for Blackwater.
In fact, while it may be distasteful to you I can actually understand the rage those attackers felt. Nothing JUSTIFIES what they did, but let’s face it, their country was occupied in a brutal take-over and they had recently witnessed inhumane and torturous treatment of their fellow citizens — a large number of whome were totally innocent — at Abu Ghraib.
Frankly, if Iraq occupied the USA and then held, humiliated and tortured innocent Americans, I’d be the first in line for a piece of them.
“You feel that American war veterans who have been burned alive and hacked to chunks and strung up deserve no sympathy at all because they were working for Blackwater?”
You’ll note, ethan, the question mark.
For cryin’ out loud! This is all here in black and light blue for everyone to see. Have you no shame?
“For cryin’ out loud! This is all here in black and light blue for everyone to see. Have you no shame?”
Have you no shame over what those contractors have been doing while working for the government?
You should.
If you’ve seen the picturs from Kabul, you should be very ashamed. If you read the testimony of the woman who was raped, locked in a shipping container for 24 hours and threatened by contractors working for the US, you should be ashamed.
woman raped by contractors=contractors who did not rape this woman deserve to be killed, hung, tourched, cut into pieces
such logic
Ethan | October 9th, 2009 at 04:12 pm
“No I don’t know that and don’t believe it. If I say Blackwater holds all responsibility.”
I respect that position. But I still think it is wrong because they would have been able to defend themselves against attacks if it wasn’t for Blackwater.
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Well I understand what you are saying and if that is how it works then no Us troops or contractors would have ever had to step foot in Iraq EVER had Saddamn not invaded Kuwait and defied 14 UN resolutions. So again I understand what you are saying I just don’t think that way.
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In fact, while it may be distasteful to you I can actually understand the rage those attackers felt. Nothing JUSTIFIES what they did, but let’s face it, their country was occupied in a brutal take-over and they had recently witnessed inhumane and torturous treatment of their fellow citizens — a large number of whome were totally innocent — at Abu Ghraib.
Frankly, if Iraq occupied the USA and then held, humiliated and tortured innocent Americans, I’d be the first in line for a piece of them.
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Too bad they did not have the same outrage and anger when their leader was putting them in the human shredder. Or Oday was raping their daughters or Sadmann was having the head cut off of his grandchildrens father, and on and on.
It is a sick sick world out there and I don’t know if anything or anyone will be able to change it.
Right now in America there is outrage that a child rapists is being held accountable for his actions. What does that say about us in general?
“Well I understand what you are saying and if that is how it works then no Us troops or contractors would have ever had to step foot in Iraq EVER had Saddamn not invaded Kuwait and defied 14 UN resolutions.”
Not really sure what you mean. I was referring to the fact that Blackwater didn’t give them the tools or info they needed to protect themselves to the point that one of them attempted to resign the night before they were sent into Falluja. I haven’t heard of any similar situations.
“Too bad they did not have the same outrage and anger when their leader was putting them in the human shredder. Or Oday was raping their daughters or Sadmann was having the head cut off of his grandchildrens father, and on and on.”
Well, that’s what more than a generation of dictatorial rule will get you.
“Right now in America there is outrage that a child rapists is being held accountable for his actions. What does that say about us in general?”
Well, jeez, that’s a huge stretch. There’s little to no outrage that Polanski is being held accountable. Compare that ‘outrage’ with the percentage of people who think the POTUS wants to kill senior citizens and I think that says more about us as a nation than the circumstance you mentioned. I would also add another indicator of where we are as a country… When 30 members of the U.S. Senate vote AGAINST hate-crimes legislation. That is truly scary. The fact that we have sitting members of Congress repeating lies about death panels and being openly against a no-brainer like hate-crimes legislation, it is truly a sad period in America.
Thank God we have President Obama to lead the way back towards decency, humanitarianism, and hope.
troops,
Your response was incomprehensible. You still did not provide specific examples of Democrats bashing our troops. You said that it happened, so I assume that you can cite chapter and verse.
You also made no mention of Bush’s disrespectful attitude toward our troops by going AWOL, by ordering them to risk their lives in an unnecessary and illegal war, and by not allowing images of war dead arriving at Dover to be seen by Americans. His cowardice and indifference to the lives of service men and women is an affront to all citizens of the United States.