CNN President Brushes Off Criticism Of Lou Dobbs’ Continued Floating Of “Birther” Theories
CNN/US president Jonathan Klein is rebuffing the mounting criticism of the network over Lou Dobbs’ continued airing of “birther” theories, saying that Lou runs “his own show” that merely hosts “panels” with birther theorists and asserting that CNN respects viewers enough to let them “make up their own minds.”
Klein, in an interview with me just now, also took a shot at Dobbs’ critics, saying they’re politically motivated: “I understand that people with a partisan point of view from one extreme or another might get annoyed that certain subjects are aired.”
CNN is under mounting pressure to get Dobbs to stop giving airtime to birther theorists and suggesting there’s something to their case, which he’s been doing even though the network has repeatedly debunked the theories. Jon Stewart recently mocked Dobbs for not even watching his own network. Media Matters has blasted CNN for “mainstreaming the fringe.”
The Southern Poverty Law Center called for Dobbs’ firing today, and MoveOn is demanding CNN apologize for Dobbs’ “helping to spread hate and fear.”
“Look, Lou’s his own show, and CNN in general has repeatedly and thoroughly reported on the facts behind this situation,” Klein said to me, adding that Lou had merely hosted “a few conversations with people representing a wide range of opinions.”
Klein said that Dobbs has repeatedly stated that he believes that Obama was born in Hawaii, and has simply been examining the “phenomenon that for some people this won’t go away.”
Asked if CNN is concerned that Dobbs’ repeated granting of airtime to theories the network has conclusively debunked amounts to overkill and could harm CNN’s credibility, Klein brushed off the possibility. “We respect our viewers enough to present them the facts and let them make up their own minds,” he said, adding that what Dobbs does is “his editorial decision to make.”
Klein sent a private memo to Dobbs staffers yesterday saying the birther story is “dead” and questioning its legitimacy, but Dobbs has continued to discuss it on the air, anyway. Klein said the memo wasn’t a sign of concern, however, calling that conclusion “overblown.”
Asked if CNN would take any action if Dobbs continued airing the birther theories, Klein said No: “I think no good journalist would ever say that a particular story will never be covered again. Every day brings new facts, new pegs.”
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““We respect our viewers enough to present them the facts”
Facts? Really
Here is the problem, as wacked out as Lou Dobbs is in general he is still gets ratings for CNN. Doesnt’ matter that they could probably hire someone else and get much better ratings. As long as Dobbs keeps his ratings up they are going to keep him. It is what it is. Probably the same way MSNBC still employes Pat Buchanan.
So, he sent a memo saying the issue was “dead”, but that memo shouldn’t be construed as “a sign of concern”? How often does he randomly write memos to CNN’s various hosts voicing his opinion on the stories that they run?
Don’t waste your time Greg. Klein and his CNN ***holes look at the revenue Dobbs rants bring in. They are third in line after Fox and MSNBC and no amount of fancy accounting gimmicks can get past the fact that CNN does not rule the airwaves. They have tried Foxlite and they are not making headway. Dobbs is an idiot. Do what I do: don’t watch CNN.They’re not worth the trouble. Try BBC America.
Did anybody see Charles Pierce and David Shuster last night on Olbermann? It was priceless. Pierce went after the MSM, including MSNBC, for giving Liz Cheney and other birthers a forum, and for whipping up controversies for ratings. More Charlie Pierce, please.
I like Shuster, but man, he gets into a defensive crouch. It’s like you can hear the producer screaming in his ear piece to get the guest to answer the questions the way he’s supposed to. He was also on duty and freaked when Marcy Wheeler called a BJ a BJ. Every since Shuster made that Chelsea Clinton crack (pimped out), he’s been paranoid about losing control and his job.
Kathleen Hussein in Maine:
Shuster was good at one time. When he was just subbing for Tweety. The more air time he gets. The worse Shuster gets.
Media Matters, SPLC, MoveOn, all good thinking bloggers….
Yeah, keep it up, no one will think there is any sort of liberal conspiracy to suppress this, and no one will suggest there is a liberal elite that works from the same talking points.
This is a company that let Glenn Beck destroy their credibility for 2 years or so. Lou Dobbs could chew a Mexican to death on air with his buck teeth and I bet they wouldn’t fire him.
Klein and Dobbs are whores. Screw them.
“Lou Dobbs could chew a Mexican to death on air with his buck teeth and I bet they wouldn’t fire him.”
Fire him? The ratings would go through the roof!
So, when does Lou do a show devoted to the Flat Earthers?
Maybe he could get a Hollow Earth believer on the panel, too, if he really wanted to see the sparks fly. And how about a segment on the faked Moon landings, or the spate of recent sightings of Elvis hanging out with Jim Morrison, Alfred Jarry and Princess Di?
Oh, right: only whacked-out rightie conspiracies need apply. And we certainly wouldn’t want to offend the poor simple-minded dears’ tender sensibilities by confronting them with the evidence of their lies and stupidity.
“Look, Lou’s his own show”.
So that just excuses any behavior, eh? How convenient! I suppose this is just the natural evolution of his xenophobia.
SBJ, that’s the funniest thing you’ve ever said. Here.
I’m curious as to when CNN will start airing the opinions of Holocaust deniers, Moon Landing conspiracists, and 9/11 Truthers? I mean, if you’re just putting the opinions out there and letting your audience decide who is right, why would you deny them all the opinions?
“Asked if CNN would take any action if Dobbs continued airing the birther theories, Klein said No: ‘I think no good journalist would ever say that a particular story will never be covered again. Every day brings new facts, new pegs.’”
True enough. We might suddenly find out that Hawaii didn’t become a state until after 1961. Has anybody checked the kerning and signatures on the statehood documents?
Dobbs: 9/11 was an inside job.
Wait, so now Lou Dobbs is a “good journalist”? WTF?
The funny thing is this is all distraction. Obama/Soetoro could have been born in the White House and he still would not be eligible!! He, by his own admission was “governed by the British citizenship act of 1959″. Please explain how someone governed by a foreign country at the time of his birth can be “Natural Born”.
@Truther
“The funny thing is this is all distraction.”
The funny thing is that you are a botched abortion.
“Obama/Soetoro could have been born in the White House and he still would not be eligible!!”
He’s not eligible to knuckle dragging glass lickers like yourself – but to the many americans who don’t paint the walls with their own fecal matter, he’s eligible.
“He, by his own admission was “governed by the British citizenship act of 1959″.”
You, by your own admission, is the offspring of siblings – hence the tortured logic and eye in the middle of your forehead. Hey bigot, ***** off.
“Asked if CNN would take any action if Dobbs continued airing the birther theories, Klein said No: ‘I think no good journalist would ever say that a particular story will never be covered again. Every day brings new facts, new pegs.’
Carbar: How about inserting an old fact. His mother’s a US citizen, thus the child is, too despite birth location. So what’s the hoopla about where he was born again? CNN is going to march themselves into 3rd place forever with, Klein’s mindset.
Happy Hour Roundup finally posted, apologies for delay:
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/political-media/happy-hour-roundup-51/
Media Matters hits CNN over Klein; more on Obama’s presser today
“Fire him? The ratings would go through the roof!”
ROFLMAO – that is one awesome comment.\
see? I’m totally fair, no matter how much you think I’m not and you hate me.
Here’s what Klein should address. Campbell Brown claimed that CNN was the only cable network that hasn’t taken sides overall like Fox or MSNBC. Campbell says they only report the news. That as clearly bullshit! Now, if they like to present opposing views that’s fine but, when it comes to actual FACTS, there are now views! Either you have the facts or you don’t. The facts are out there but, Dobbs refuses to acknowlede them and move on. I don’t watch CNN because while Campbell Brown claims they are straighrt down the mddle on reporting, the only thing you find in the middle of the road is ROAD KILL! I watch MSNBC. It’s not about sides, it’s about facts and at least with Keith, Rachel and Ed, you get the facts. CNN can’t say the same which is why MSNBC is now KICKING THEIR ASSES! I personally hope he’s attacked by a group of Mexicans since he hates them so much! Dobbs is a pastie faced tub of lard. It’s a fact!
Excuse the typos!
If CNN feel there’s a need to pander to the minority fringe conservative nutjobs who make up less than 10% of the American people (though represnted by over 90% of the “liberal media”), why not have one show dedicated to the Bush family’s long history with the Bin Laden family which accounted for George Jr’s hands-off policy towards Osama before, during, and after 9.11? Unlike the birther mind-slop, the deep financial ties of Bush Jr & Sr to the Bin Ladens is documented, true, and has never been discussed on television. I’d be willing to bet more people would find that more interesting, and why Osama Bin Laden became a hero throughout the Middle East because of Bush’s impotence as president, than trying to explain to mental midgets that Hawaii isn’t a foriegn country.
Lou Dobbs is clearly a racist. He has inflamed the immigration debate. He is still questioning the Obama birth record (on July 20), when in his absence, Kitty Pilgrim presented the objective data and visual that completely debunks this theory. Lou Dobbs wants Obama to fail, and to do that,he will lie, obfuscate, present unfounded and one-sided information, and offer snide,defaming remarks at every turn. CNN just lost a fairly loyal viewer. Clearly, I am wasting my time there. Where is journalism in the rush to make money?
Translation: Dobbs’ ratings are more important than the truth. So Klein lied about his email – if that doesn’t show concern, I’ve never seen it – and minimized the outsider complaints. Typical.
Since when did media watchers become so zealous in protecting a serving president (with no good reason)? I thought journalism is about asking tough questions. I think Lou Doobs (LD) figures the same. I don’t know where Obama was born but I can’t figure why some people are so quick to try and clamp up anyone that doesn’t tote the “party” line. Supposed liberals non-the-less! If anything this incident shows that CNN is composed of independent journalists and THEY run the show, nothing bad for journalism in that. Unless someone can point to some tangible-repeated foolishness of Doobs on this issue I can’t see how a reasonable seeker of FACTS can fault him for asking questions. Even if some of these question have been answered, some have not, and it is important to keep asking them and for a site called “who runs gov” to encourage asking them.
Lou Dobbs has zero credibility and hasn’t for a long time. CNN should have addressed the fact that Dobbs attended a racist conference and was photographed with a box of Obama Waffles last summer. Dobbs is a racist whack job and Klein clearly lacks the ability to be a leader with integrity. Hopefully, Stewart and Colbert will keep up the pressure and what happened to Jim Cramer will happen to Lou Dobbs.
Boycott the sponsors. It’s that simple; the bottom line is what counts and do you think in this economy that companies like General Motors what Americans boycotting their products? ….. Lou Dobbs has the right to say anything he wants! And, so do I! That’s a good enough reason to watch his show, make a list of his sponsors, and then contact each and everyone of them.
This is transparently simple.
Lou Dobbs was a great business news anchor. Then he was removed and replaced by a blonde whose previous experience was color commentary on the NBA.
When they got him back in a prime role, his ratings did not follow him, and are languishing.
So he employs the FOX News strategy and starts mouthing RusHannity bowel movements.
That gets back some viewers.
So, CNN can fire him, which is what Dobbs wants so that he move over to FOX, since FOX, while good are peddling right-wing infomercials as news, they suck at their business news.
These birthers like Dobbs are crazy. I mean just because the doc that is on factcheck is missing like EVERYTHING that is usually on a real birth certificate doesn’t mean it’s not valid.
I mean, it’s only missing the following…
1. Registration number
2. Registration district number
3. CHILD’S BIRTH NUMBER (MINOR DETAIL)
4. Father’s place of birth
5. Mother’s place of birth
6. Father’s occupation
7. Attending physician’s name (MINOR DETAIL)
8. Physicians signature (MINOR DETAIL)
9. State he is licensed in
10 License number
11. Registrar’s name (MINOR DETAIL)
12. Registrars signature (MINOR DETAIL)
8.
The DEBATE re Birther vs. the BirthNots – should and WILL continue, even if Mr. Dobbs is repressed at CNN.
It is ironic how many alleged “liberals” seek to repress debate regarding this question. Why?
In fact, many liberals state the debate is nonsense and therefore, SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED! How very un-liberal.
To those who have ruled that this question is nonsense, and therefore unworthy of further discussion – MAY I ASK YOU – are you also willing to grant others, who may disagree with YOUR opinion – the same right to SILENCE YOUR VOICE?
OVERT REPRESSION OF DISSENTING VIEWS! Hisoty shows this is an act of the desperate.
Those that suggest repression of this debate may benefit from a personal experience with tyranny – now occurring Iran (and elsewhere).
In short, those who state this question must not be discussed further – should not consider themselves American, because such REPRESSION violates our Constitution and the foundations of our LIBERTY.
I used to enjoy watching Lou Dobbs. I felt he was pretty much straight down the middle, expect for his views on immigration. That was about 2 year ago. Now I find Dobbs unwatchable. He is consistently hostile towards President Obama (almost like watching Fox) and this latest obsession with Obama’s being born outside the USA really disqualifies Dobbs (in my mind) from being a serious journalist. CNN has a real problem. I want CNN to continue to have high journalistic standards, and hope they will take action. Meanwhile, Anderson Cooper’s show is excellent, a serious journalist who doesn’t pander. I hope that CNN ultimately replaces Dobb’s with someone with the courage of Cooper to be objective. I wonder if Ted Turner is tempted to take a stand against Dobbs? Perhaps he would privately with CNN executives. I would guess that Dobbs will be out when his contract expires, if not before.
It’s all about insecurity and low self-esteem. Why else would grown, supposedly intelligent, and secure people expend so much time and energy trying to destroy people of other racial groups, including the President of the United States?
These are stupid little children with long legs who employ school-yard politics of “Nananananana bobo!” or the belief is that if you repeat it enough times, it will eventually stick.” It’s call stereotyping and those who play that game are themselves dealing with a host of their own insecurities…Lou and his ilk probably also have to completely remove their pants in order to not pee on their clothes.
Wow. That’s some fancy tap dancing there Jonathan Klein!
I knew this birther stuff was coming because it starts on 3rd tier talk radio. Brian Sussman at KSFO has been all over this for months. Today WorldNetDaily had a HILARIOUS article explaining that the TWO newspaper accounts in Hawaiian papers weren’t really proof.
You know I think that we need to investigate more Bush era crimes just so they can have something to whine about that is also useful for us to know. I think that it is interesting that when we investigated George Bush and TANG where there was REAL data covered up they weren’t so hot for “the truth!” they destroyed Dan Rather. (By the way Rather won his bid to get emails from the CBS hirer ups about their role in shutting his story down. It will be fun to read and then you will see just how the media protected Bush from real reporting.)
“They are picking on us!”
why would cnn or anyone else respect the viewers of the lou dobbs show?
Wait, did they verify the Original Birth Certificate in 2008 or was it destroyed in 2001 when they went ‘paperless.?’
Seems someone is lying.
Well, so much for paying attention to what viewers think! Thousands of viewers e-mailed CNN asking them to dump the racist pig Lou Dobbs. They apparently don’t give a **** about what their viewers want. Hmmmm……reminds me of the relationship between the Congress, the Senate, and their constiuents. Don’t give a **** about what the people who voted for them want…as at CNN.don’t give a **** about what the watching public who buy the advertiser’s products wants.
He is consistently hostile towards President Obama
During the campaign Dobbs (unintentionally most likely) indicated that his problem with Obama is that Obama is a ni**er.
As a Democrat, it doesn’t bother me a bit to see this stuff.
As long as conservatives are pandering to the whacked-out fringe on issues like this, they will NEVER expand beyond the 22% of Americans who consider themselves Republicans (and they’ll probably continue to shrink).
So keep it up, Dobbs!
Keep doing your JOB Lou,exposing ole barry the SOCIALIST for the LYING IMPOSTER he is!!!!!!!
“Mainstreaming the fringe”…
Do they mean like how the media did that during the Iraq war and turned the lunatic fringe nutcase views into the majority veiw that is still held to this day?
I think this is the new hieght of hypocrisy I have seen in my lifetime. Most of the country is still living in a delusion that George Bush was an evil dictator who started wars BECAUSE the media “mainstreamed the fringe”. None of that is true, but most still believe it.
Wow! I can’t believe how things are today. I really hope to find out that I have been in the twilight zone for the last 5 years. You people really are unbelievable!
You can barely sneak into a club with a fake ID, you think you’re going to make it into the White House with a fake birth certificate??? If this story had ANY credibility, Republicans would have made sure he wouldn’t never made been on the ballot.
No, George Bush just turned the war crime of torture into a regular tool of American statecraft, and then hid behind a euphemism the Nazis also used to make it look like he wasn’t doing that.
The Nazis who tried that stunt were executed for it.
John, you never had a moral compass, nor much business sense. You were a failure at CBS and you’re making a mess out of CNN. It’s not only about presenting the facts and letting people decide, it’s about being an honest broker of information. CNN’s stance is fundamentally dishonest, pandering to the fringe to make money. Go back and watch where Michael Moore shouted down Wolf Blitzer or John Stewart took Tucker Carlson to task on Crossfire. Where there is no vision, the people perish. You’re killing CNN.
Republicans would have made sure he wouldn’t never made been on the ballot.
Exactly. Furthermore, the matter has been pursued in federal courts before Obama was inaugurated. The courts found there was no merit to the arguments and dismissed the cases.
Hawaii became a state in 1959 not 1961:http://hawaii.gov/statehood
Lou Dobbs is one a few common sensical newsman.
Liberals are people who scream for freedom of expession but scream even louder if you dont say what they believe.
just keep watching the goon oberman and believe a muslim, kenyan marxist should be the president of the US.
we should split our countries in two parts: liberal and libertarian(conservative) and see who rocks the 21st century and who ends up a failed welfare communist state.
Where is the birth certificate Barry?
i find it very ironic that people who criticize obamas
so called citizenship is totally mum and silent on their
guy McCains citizenship wasn’t he supposedly born in
the panama canal zone but do we really know that for
sure maybe he could of been birthed in panama itself
but no biggie his parents were white americans so
there is no controversy. my opinion is if obamas dad
was white there would of been no story whatsoever
OddJob: The US did not commit any “war crimes”. You are the “lunatic fringe” mentioned in the article. There was also no torture. Waterboarding is not torture, and is in fact a part of US Seal training. We waterboard our own people as a training excersise. Welcome back to reality, lunatic fringe brainwashed moron.
Oh, and the reason so many believe that Obama was not born in the US is because they insist they have his original birth certificate, but refuse to show it. It is simple human nature. It is like me insisting I have a gold coin in my hand, but refusing to show it too you. There is no reason for me to not show it, so my refusal to show it breeds suspicion than I am lying. It’s the same exact thing. They can sing and dance all they want, but until they show the original birth certificate that they claim to have… most will rightly not believe that it exists. If it did, they would simply produce it and end all debate. Instead there is an endless song and dance on the issue. It is right, correct by tghe rules of logic, to suspect that Obama was not born in the US because of this. People who think this are not “fringe” or “crazy”, it is a perfectly reasonable (and even correct) position when faced with “It’s true, I can prove it, but refuse to show that proof when there is no reason to hide it.”
I know I will not beleive Obama was born in the US until I see that original birth certitifcate that is claimed to exist. There is no reason not to show it, unless there is something to hide. Therfore, there must be something to hide, or they would take the simple action of showing it and instantly ending all debate. Logically, it is correct to lean towards the belief that Obama was not born in the US under these circumstances. Anything else is song and dance, only producing the original birth certificate that they insist exsists, but they refuse to show for some reason, will this question ever be answered.
As long as they refuse to produce this simple evidence, which they say they have, then an intelligent person must assume that evidence either does not actually exist or proves that he was not born in the US. Simple logic dictates this position.
If there is nothing to hide, why can’t we see the original birth certificate? A logical question, and the source of this entire controversy.
Until I see this proof that they insist exists but refuse to produce, I can only logically conclude that said evidence does not actually exist, or proves that he was not born in the US.
Richard Wyatt:
McCain is not an issue because he was born on a US military base. That automatically makes you a “natural born US citizen”. There is no question of McCain’s citizenship. There is a question as to Obama’s, and the best answer anyone can get is “we have the original birth certificate to prove it, but we won’t show it to anyone”. Anyone who is not suspicious due to this is a moron.
http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2008/Nov/01/ln/hawaii811010345.html
Got that? Ok, now see:
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-cnnobama25-2009jul25,0,3939176.story
“…he wrote that CNN researchers had determined that Hawaiian officials discarded paper documents in 2001.”
So, if Obama was born here, why doesn’t he just produce a valid birth certificate and let the matter drop? Why has he spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep his birth and school records from being published? It doesn’t take a genious to figure this one out…he either one was not born here or two, he lied on his foreign status to get scholarships he wasn’t eligible for, or he was a foreign national and he can’t let anyone see that. He also traveled to Pakistan during a time where American’s could not travel there. So let’s see his passport…all in all, present the documentation and put an end to the debate once and for all. Perhaps too many people are afraid of Biden as president…who knows, either way, he needs to stop spitting on our constitution and do what is right for once in his life.
It’s pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain what “Birther” conspiracies REALLY imply:
This country was taken over by a N*gger and I am outraged to share the same bathroom as him, much less have him dictate policy.
Read between the lines- this has NOTHING to do with any rational behavior. It’s flat out racism, only even more chicken-sh*t. Why don’t we bring the KKK on to CNN to give their “opinions” on the matter?
Only in America could you have devout followers of a president who really DIDN’T win the electoral vote, who never did anything with his life and who allowed the attacks on 9/11 by his own complete and utter uselessness telling the world that we all need to listen to THEM…..and getting a national voice.
Obama: At least he was actually elected.
Until I actually place my hand on the sun, I will continue to believe that it is not hot. Sounds pretty stupid, but no more than what the “birthers” are stating. Not to state the incredibly obvious, but President Obama’s mother was in Hawaii at the time of his birth. There is absolutely no evidence to prove otherwise. Could anyone tell me how he was born in a different location than his mother? Did any of you geniuses ever take, or pay attention, to Biology 101?
Somewhere along the way everyone is going to make a decision, that being, AmI an American? If not, get the **** out of my country. Take your venom back to where you came from. Fight your war there not here. Seems as if everything is up for conjecture.
all i can say is its funny to watch the… hyper make it up as you go along crowd..ie liberals having a froth at the mouth fit over a conspiracy theory….all i can say is 8 years of faranheit 911 nut jobs make these people look like rational human beings..oh yeah alot of the usual one sided race baiters are all over this too
If Obama is an American, he will do the right thing by the American people. If not, we will slide into socialism. Who cares where Obama was born, its a done deal. Get over it. You can vote him out next election.
bush stoled the election?? that was the defense set up for acorns future activities…anyway civil war anyone???
To everyone who even mentions race on these comments, you are the morons that are destroying this country with hate. The issue of race does not apply to this article, to Lou Dobbs, or even Obama, so shut up about it. Dwelling on negative viewpoints shared by few in our society do not make them go away, and zealous “enlightened” folks such as yourselves are keeping it alive.
Why can’t they just show the birth certificate the doctor signed? That would end the debate and shut up the “Birthers” right? When a doctor smacks you on the butt and says welcome to the world, He/she immediately signs the live birth certificate, right?
What hospital? What doctor? What time? Doesn’t everyone here talk with their mom about what time they were born? YES. Then you check your live birth certificate to verify for sentimental reasons. JUST show it and shut Dobbs up, right?
keep firing up the hate libs your going to reap what you sow
Lou Dobbs is one of the few straight shooters on CNN. The Kool Aid drinkers hate the fact that Dobbs repeated exposes government hypocrisy, fraud and waste. Dobbs is one of the few sane voices on the anti illegal immigration greek courses that is so dedicated to ******** the US. Traitor/Loser Keith Olberman would just open the US to unlimited immigration and give away the whole store, at least until it came to his share behind the barbed wire fence. Screw the traitors Move On and SPLC, they are dedicated to the downfall of the US. Dobbs has a huge following and for a good reason, he is the voice of the independents.
Oh please. It’s class warfare in this country. NOT race war fare. Obtos, please stop wishing for and praying for race warfare. It’s so gross.
People are way more hateful to the poor. Obots know this but they play these sick games.
funny how all you idiots never complained when cnn and others ran false and degrading stories about President Bush… Although I dont believe any of it for a minute I think it’s great to see someone not be afraid to speak out against President Obama. We need that kind of dialog to ensure that we do not lose our voice in this country. Which brings to mind… why aren’t any of you concerned at how quick the President through out the race card on Police Officer Crowley… That was an amazingly “stupid” comment by the Presdient and maybe even a glimpse of what is really under all that polished armour of his….
yeah I know when i was born and have a copy of my birth cert ..why dosnt nobama…..this is so simple to prove ..why dosnt he??ans that with out the vile diversion from the question attacks …you know trying to talk to a liberal rationaly is like trying to clap with one hand….because their sooooo much smarter then average people!!lol
AGAIN: did they verify the they had the Original Birth Certificate on file in 2008 or was it destroyed in 2001 when they went ‘paperless.?’
Simple question.
News Flash…Keith, Rachel, Ed, Sean, Bill, Lou, etc. are not news shows. In fact, there is little news on the cable news channels, mostly speculation and opinion. So get a grip. It won’t matter in 2012 because Obama will never get elected again. I’m always amazed at folks who rail against Fox News. CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, NBC, PBS, ABC, CBS and the White House press corps all glorify Obama and hardly ever challenge him when he misleads the American people.
Lou is just a bitter old man. When you watch him, you can see the bitterness shine through. He is definitely a dark figure. Lou the Obama won the election. Didn’t steal it like GW. Won it fair and square. Yes he is a US citizen. Verified by the Secretary of State in Hawaii. The documents are on Snoops.com
Do you understand nobody even knows what hospital the President was born in? Do you know what hospital you were born in? YES. Was this a home birth with a mid-wife? was he born in a Taxi on the way to Honolulu general Hospital? If everyone in America can answer that, shouldn’t Dobbs find out and shut up already? Is there any common sense here?
Clint H has joined the idiot club… “didn’t steal it like GW”
Mark L. comments that the U.S. didn’t commit war crimes. George Bush was in office during one of the most brutal terrorist attacks in history. Of course I refer to the bombing of Baghdad which killed tens if not hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. The U.S. and Israel are the most brutal, violent, and terrorist nations in the world.
everyone welcome Mr. Percak to the idiot club… “U.S. and Israel are the most brutal, violent, and terrorist nations in the world.” That’s a real zinger Mr. Percak… A lot of young men and women have died for your right to live in and ENJOY the “most brutal, violent, and terrorist nations in the world”
Based on all the whinning and insults shown here theres got to be something to it. Why cannt the KENYAN just release his cert, his college transccripts,hiis passport info as he liived in indonesiaa with his moms second hubby and went to pakistian in the 80’s when Americans were banned Its a simple matter one needs a lot more forr adrier license in va.Its the refsal to release is whats causing the issue. BTW Dobbs is tryiing to be a journalist and not an ideolog propagandist as those of cnbc, msnbc, abc, cbs,nbc. the 4thh state’s job is to present a quest for truth not to e like pravada of the ussr
do you suppose the article in the archives of the honolulu advisor announcing Obamas birth in 08-of-61 is also fake ? someone snook that into the microfish 48 years ago ? or did they change the microfish at a latter date ? Simple to do you say?
The hillarious part of the entire ‘birther’ movement is they claim the Hawaii birth certificate is fake because it doesn’t resemble ones that are printed in their home states. They yell “SHOW US THE ORIGINAL CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH!” yet when the state of Hawaii presents it to them, they say “NO! NOT THAT ONE. THE OTHER ONE!” They’re funnier then Jerry Lewis, Dane Cook and Chris Rock all rolled into one.
If the U.S.A is the “most brutal, violent and terrorist nation in the world”, then “David Percak” would not be alive to write his vile garbage, he would have been already hung for treason. But since the U.S.A. is the greatest nation ever known to man, he lives under the protection of the 1st Amendment to the United States Constitution.
you know I want to be born in Hawaii 48 years ago do you think you birthers could get me a fake birth certificate complete with a 48 year old article in the honolulu news paper? that would be soooo cool if you birthers could do that
so how much money are we talking here . you know, for my fake birth certificate, and dont forget I want that fake 48 year old news paper article too .
Dont you get it… all the talk about the President’s nationality is a simple distraction from what really matters… liberals are pushing the debate to distract from the fact that he is bankrupting our country and trying to even further lengthen the devide between the have’s and the have nots… take from those who have it and give to to those who do not so that we will all be equally sub-standard, regardless of how much one guy has worked or risked to get ahead. Do you think for a minute that he or anyone else in goverment will ever have to worry about poor health care or how they will put their next meal on the table. Goverment does not have recessions. Goverment enjoys the spoils regardless of how much money is in the bank or how many people do not have jobs. while revenues are down and the country is running deficits do you see anyone being laid off to curb expenses in goverment… no they are still getting pay raises and actually hiring at an all time high while the treasury bleeds out… While the President attempts to degrade our health care he is holding on to the best health care in the world for himself and his fellow goverment employees. They wont be changing to the “public option”. They will keep the premium sweet heart plan that they have today…wake up guys… all the chatter is meaningless… pay attention to the real issues…
Holy **** someone flushed the toilet and all this right wing **** sloshed in here in the comments section….
I agree 100% that the Amerikkka is the world’s greatest…terrorist nation.
I mean, who don’t you hate besides yourselves?
Dear Mark L.,
“because their sooooo much smarter then average people!”
Those are the grammatical mistakes of a third grader.
Obviously, you were not born in this country. Americans understand, and speak English. You do not.
From this point forward, I must assume you are an illegal alien (Probably a Commie) sent here to undermine the educational system.
You shall fail, comrade!!!
Oh,although I know it’s beyond your grade level, when you get the chance, you should definitely look up “Irony.”
“One hand clapping?”
That’s how people like you reproduce, isn’t it?
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Imbecile.
ha know once I have my fake birth certificate some of the Hawaiians might stop calling me howlie
say mark L ,you Imbecile,ever hear of factcheck.org .if you think your going to get closer than this to the president and his birth certificate your dilusional
I used to manage HUD housing, part of the requirement for getting low income housing was a certified copy of the birth certificate for everyone in the household.Cost about $25.00 can be ordered on line from any department of vital statistics.Not a big deal, we sent it to screeners and if everything came back good, we could rent you a low income apt. Now if low income Americans can produce a viable birth certificate to rent low income housing, how much more so should someone produce a “vialble” birth certificate for the property located at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave? It will stand as a question until it is addressed.
Right now we have military personnel challenging the authority of the Commander and Chief. Call them “ring wing extremist” if you will but the ramifications of refusing to provide a simply obtained document is out of control.
Many comments here imply that it is only the Republicans that are fringe, have you taken a look at the Democrats and the legislation that is being passed lately? What is deifferent about the agenda between Bush and Obama? We still are not of Iraq, the White House is full of lobbiest, it may be easy to say we will not raise taxes but not so easy to say we have not implimented so many more Federal requirements that the states have to raise taxes. OOOPS not the Feds problem now is it? Because they are not raising taxes.
Both parties are fringe and out of control, you know what they say “it is easier to try to control others when you are out of control, then it is to take a long hard look at yourself and start fixing the issues you have”.
All the info is right here. All you “birthers” and “flat earthers” and weekly world news reading morons can get the facts at this link. The president has provided all the documentation about his birth. He does not have to provide a copy just for you. If that was the case, I need everyone who voted for George Bush, to send me a copy of their birth certificate to prove to me that you are elegible to vote. if not, you illegally voted in the election, and your votes dont count. Just admit that you will try anything to break down Barak, because he is trying to help EVERYONE in this country, not just the rich and white. And as far as immigration goes, if not for immigration, YOU would not be here. Anyone who is not native american was an “illegal” immigrant at one time or another. The native americans did not give us permition to move here. Oh, but i guess since they were brown, it does’nt matter. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
I din’t vote for Bush either time, I voted Democrat. What a mistake that was. I didn’t vote for Obama, nor did I vote for McCain. Your comment is a prime example of why I call both parties “fringe”.
BTW I am native American, and no you didn’t get permission to settle here, Just another annilation of a native people for a land grab. Welcome to America,
If Lou is so committed to searching for the truth, instead of inviting his constant “three stooges”, why doesn’t he invite engineers, scholars etc. to discuss thoroughly and in great details why the two towers fell “demolition” style and why no plane his the Pentagon? I think this is far more important than Obama’s birth certificate.
I can see that my tax money has given free computers to the left-wing nut cases spewing anti-Dobbs rhetoric. But if it was a demo-F*** bringing up the same point the crazies (Demo-scum) wouldn’t say s***. The fact is that regardless of Obama being voted in as President, the truth of his hope and change is dwindling into the abyss of empty promises and the same empty rhetoric that both parties are guilty of are awakening the sane Americans of this country that enough is enough. Personally, I think that every Demo-Scumbag need to be shipped to Iran or any other medival country that will give new meaning to freedom.
liberialism is a mental illness..just look at the state of our country over the last 30-40 yrs..declining morals, dumbed-down education, sexual free for alls, increased welfare roles, affirmative action, decreases in personal freedom and liberties, political correctness, sexualization of our children..how has any of these things benefited our country or future generations?? Liberalism is a disease, a plague that is slowly destroying the US.
My God…. I cannot believe the ignorance of some of you people…. How in the world can you listen to these idiotic “birthers” and consider yourself intelligent? I have seen President Obama’s birth certificate. As can anyone with half a brain. Being born on a military base does not make one a citizen. Being born in Hawaii to an American mother does. I know there is not a way to penetrate the ignorance of the knuckledraggers, which is why it is so reprehensible for the right wing media to keep stirring up “controversies” they know to be false. Thank God every day there are only a minority of nut cases in this country who even listen to this ****/.
Hey Mike Dawn,
You are RIGHT on! Lefties have shrunken brains which takes away “sight”…they are so easily blinded by stubborness…no reasoning! They are drowning in the koolaide, no doctors signature, mothers signature, nothing is real about the usurper, but none are so blind than those who will not see until they find themselves in the sea of despair, which will come. We were all irresponsible and are eating the fruit of our ways…stupidly letting the cheaters run our country, too many to name! We just see all of the dross rising to the top day after day after day!
Just wondering here…What is the big upset? Isn’t this a right ppl have here to speak their minds(wrong or right). I don’t like Lou myself, sooo I don’t listen to him…it’s not a big deal. At least you have that choice here.
My american wife was born in South America, she pulled up all the paperwork to compare what her parents got and what the real birth records said. When all was said and done, what Obama is showing is incomplete. A certificate of birth is not the actual birth record . . . something is being hidden and Obama is not coming clean.
CNN ceased being a news channel several years ago. They have become an AM-radio talk channel with animatronic talking heads.
welcome to the club bigbud… President Obama is not doing anything to help me… I have twice risked my entire savings and retirement to create over 500 jobs during the past 14 years… becuase of it I am wealthy… where was the President when my balls were sweating through the tech bubble bust, 911, recessions, a bank crisis and now a global mess of an economy that was create by not only the likes of President Obama but also Rebublicans… where was the Presidnet when I was sitting at the top of my stiars literally crying while I contimplated leveraging the savings for my kids college education to save my employees and myself from the unemployment rolls… now he is right there in the Commanders Chair trying to dip even further into my pocket and take away what this country promises to everyone who is willing to take on adverse risk for the sake of helping others improve their livilihoods while also improving your own… I provide my employees with top notch PPO health care, a matching 401K, profit sharing and countless acts of gratitude… but no where is the President standing up and supporting the folks who do it right… instead he lumps us all together and punishes everyone deservingly so and not… what he is pushing toward is a country where goverment and a hand full of ultra wealthy have all the riches and then there is the rest of us… and the American Dream will shift away from unbridalled entrepreneuralism toward a dream job in Washingtom where one gets to join the elite power groups with the best health care, pay raisies every year, unbelievable GUARANTEED retirement plans, $20 million mansions in Martha’s Vinyard, Kennebunk Port estates, Sprawling Ranches, limos, planes, helicopters, $1000 dinners, multi-million dollar book deals… forget about building businesses, taking on huge risk, sacrificing now for more greater enjoyment later… No the President is not trying to help everyone… there are millions of entrepreneurs across this country who are shouldering ALL the risk while folks like you go home every night and sleep tight and dream of how someday you will share in our riches while we continue to have all the risk… While you dream of spreading the wealth, I dream of 500 families that depend on my good name, credit and wealth (profits!!!) to get through another down economic cycle without losing everything for us all… So while the President contimplates taking money form your employer, and you cheer him on, maybe you should really think about how taking money from your employer to give to a losing auto industry, a corrupt banking system, an enormously mismanaged insurance company (AIG: $170 billion alone) and now to congress to manage your health care (they can’t fix themselves much less your health) and how all of that taxation will ultimately mean less profit to invest on preivate health insurance, 401K matches, profit sharing and general goodwill toward you and the employees around you… because at the end of the day, the guy who is shouldering ALL the risk does deserve to get ahead and why should he not… and just like the President did this last week, you too are a race card thrower… disregard the facts, just throw down the ultimate game changer, race… standing on race as a defense or offense is weak at best…
Mr. Jayej, there is no such thing as a “native American” as EVERYONE came here from another conitinent…nice try though.
A certificate of birth is not a birth record? Man have you ever bought into the tripe. Apply for a passport. What is considered proof of your birth…. right…. a birth certificate. Apply for a drivers license…. right again. Join the Army… yep, a birth certificate. And the president’s is on display on-line. Yours isn’t as far as I can determine. Turn off your talk-radio parrots and look it up…. there are several web-sites showing the birth certificate… certified by the Secretary of State of Hawaii. Oh, by the way, there are 50 states now…. and it wouldn’t have mattered anyway, since before becoming a state, Hawaii was a U.S. Territory…. get your cranium out of your ******… if you need to hate the President, try to find something real… like disagreement with policies… not something as stupid as this…. Well, have to go wash my Ford truck…. I bet it wasn’t really assembled in Kansas City… probably made in Sri Lanka. Love ya morons… you make life funny.
Lou Dobbs is the only one on cnn that conservatives watch.The others are either gay or bolshevik jews.And they all have terrible ratings.
I dont think 95% of people care one way or the other.Republicans dont need to destroy Obama he is falling apart before our very eyes.The Rassmusen pole had Obamas approval numbers down to 49% this morning.He is losing ground fast on health care .lets see if you got green pills and red pills! never mind lets talk about how stupid the Cambridge Police are thats something i am an expert on even if I wasnt there !Some intellectual this clown turned out to be.
Can’t we just stop all this with Obama just publishing his official long-form birth certificate? That would please both sides. The left could say, “Look we’re right.” The right would be appeased and all the speculation would end.
But I guess Obama’s not going to do that since he signed an executive order the week he was elected to seal his records. I wonder why. CHECK OUT: indepentlystrong . blogspot. com.
Let me go on the record to say that Lou Dobbs has never produced a birth certificate and I believe he is here illegally. I suggest that unless he attaches his actual birth certificate to his forehead for all to see that he be deported to Venezuela.
As for CNN, as one commenter posted, they have turned into Fox Lite. Remember, Glenn Beck started on CNN. I think the best thing CNN can do for their rating is to send Dobbs to Fox so they can compete with him head-to-head.
Lou Dobbs should be reprimanded for continueing to bring down support for the President. I wonder why he isn’t so diligent with looking at the Bush war crimes?
Klein cannot afford to piss off Dobbs’ viewers-they are competing for these few nut jobs against Faux News. As is evident, there are fewer and fewer nut jobs and therefore, Dobbs and Klein are sweating out a market share for this last bastion of idiots because CNN will shortly become irrelevant, if they haven’t already. It’s amazing to see that that the same flat earthers are posting their ignorant spew on this Blog. As for the small business owners who complain about government this or government that….most of us (small business owners) survive because we realize that the world is constantly changing. We plan….which appears based on all of the whining and blaming and playing the victim that some of you never do. Government handouts, whether you like to admit it or not, starts with the small businessman standing at the front of the line. Take responsibility.Throughout the most profound down cycles to the best of times, the small business has survived, and will continue to thrive. It’s those of us who know how to plan and don’t blame others for our weaknesses.
Let’s all meet for a couple of hours to discuss this face to face…the perfect place will be in the lobby at the Hospital/Doctors Office waiting for treatment…..under the new Obama Care System, bring your laptops,
David Campbell,
The POLL you are referring to is about his handling of the health care issue, not his approval rating.His approval rating is stall around 59%. As far as how people think he’s handling health care, I am one of the ones who disapprove of how he is handling it. I think he needs to shove mandatory health care down their throats just like Bush did with the war. Bush failed to protect the nation from a terrorist attack, destroyed the economy for the middle class and poor, sent hundreds of thousands of US soldiers into harms way, including more than 4,000 to their deaths, all while lying to the American people and laughing about it. But hey, let’s focus on the new presidents approval ratings trying to fix a problem 60 years in the making.
As to statistics, to quote Disraeli (and later Twain), “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics”.
to mike dawn… maybe if so many people and corps wer’nt “doing it wrong” we would not be in this mess. The recession did not start because of Obama, It started because of the repubs making a money grab for the good ol’ boys for the past 12 years. It is great that you were thinking about your employees, but most businesses were not. Lets lay off some more americans so we can make more profit. Let us find as many loopholes in the tax code so we can pay NO TAXES. big business is all about profit for the company, and not one employee is worth more than a 1% profit they can make by ******** us over. Please dont talk about health care when you know nothing about it. If you want to reduce Heath care costs, the days of the private insurer have to end. The insurance company takes the insured payers money, the doctors money, and then dictates to the doctors how much they will get payed, as well as if your procedure is even necessary ( i am so glad that a corperate money man knows more about what is right for me and my familys’ health than my doctor!)
It took many years for the government to put us in this recession ( you know 3 wars running at the same time for 8 years does’nt help either), and all you want to do is blame the guy who is trying to do anything to fix it ( the republican answer has always been ” just let us keep doing what got us into this mess, and it will all work out fine”!) Oh, and by the way, I do own my own business, so stoip talking about me like you know my situation. Also, I would not use the race card if it was not true. If you are not a happy uncle tom in this country, the repubs think you are ghetto trash. We have HUNDREDS of years of politicaly backed racism in this country, and the rich white men of the republican party have been doing everything in there power to keep it that way. When you have senators and congressmen calling our president (or anybody for that case) a n*gger, you cannot say that the race card is not there.
I’d like to see them get rid of Lou Dobbs-he’s worthless and put Rachel Maddow or Mary Mapes in place insead. He seems to be on the tube everytime I hop on the stairmaster at the gym and he’s such an ugly muck!
Biily Bob,
So I can go see a doctor now? I haven’t been able to because my employer doesn’t provide health insurance and I can’t afford to spend 40% of my gross income on it. Kids gotta eat and all.
And who are you kidding. When I did have health care I’d spend all day at the office even when I did have an appointment. Long wait times are a customer service issue with the doctor, not a government issue.
Based on your 40% figure, Health Plans for family are available from State Farm at $400.00 a month.
That would make your gross earnings at $1333.33 a month?
How do you afford your laptop and monthly internet access fee?
You may need to get a second job..
NEWMAN THE POLL i pointed to is the presdential daily tracking poll by rassmussen 07/25/2009 maybe you should check your facts out before you answer. Bush sure didnt have to run the war down Clintons throat she was all for it when it was popular! Alls Obamas done for the economy give Billions TO BIG CORP. TO SEND JOBS TO Mexico SEE Crysler fenton plant. As for bank failure Barney *** is the one who pushed for deregulation at the same time his live in lover was an excutive at Freddie Mac!
The deductible for the $473 family plan (the lowest in my area) is $3,000. That puts the annual cost at just over $8,600 annually. I make a little more than $1,800 a month so it’s just about 40% of my income.
As far as laptops and internet access, we have things in our area called schools. They may be a rare thing in your area, but I pay to go to one so I get access.
I’m under the impression most of you people only believe in the first amendment if people are talking about what you agree with? This issue will not die until the man shows his ORIGINAL birth certificate and the rest of the documents people are requesting. If he has nothing to hide then why spend millions of dollars doing so? Would it not be cheaper to show the documents and prove all the “crazy” people wrong? It’s his own fault! Then again I’m one of those crazy people that believes 9/11 was an inside job so just write me off as less of an intellectual as all you smart people who just blindly believe what your told. The new world order is doing a great job on most of you. And to think we used to be known as the land of the free and the home of the brave. Your a bunch of cowards!
A child born to a US citizen IS A US CITIZEN, no matter WHERE they are born. I know a man who has a beautiful handwritten Italian birth certificate WHO IS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN. My father, born on the island of Crete, WAS BORN AN AMERICAN CITIZEN because his father WAS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN.
Find another cow chip to fling, you bigots. If Obama’s father was from Kent instead of Kenya, this wouldn’t even be a talking point for the O’Reillyites, Rushists, Dobbsians and Colteristas.
Facts is facts. It’s that simple. Unfortunately, most CON-servatives would have us think with our emotions and prejudices instead of our brains.
Here’s to a REAL journalist, one that delivered FACTS and reported NEWS, one that unfortunately taught us to trust the guy in the suit delivering the news, and made it easy for us to lend credibility to any blathering idiot with a newsroom in the backdrop. I don’t hold that against him, though, I just wish Americans would fact-check the **** they choose to believe as truth just because they hear it on a cable news channel.
Walter Cronkite, we miss you, and we need you now.
Newman: His approval rating is 49% according to Rasmussen, disapproval 51%. HE LIED TO YOU AND YOU VOTED FOR MORE KILLING OF MIDDLE EASTERN BABIES, racist.
Why do fauxgressives and Obamabots call other people racist when they voted for more war and genocide in the Middle East?
They LOVE killing middle easterners. It’s sick.
The question still goes unanswered: Where is the birth certificate? I have a copy of mine, my son’s, and my wife’s. Why has Obama not produced the actual birth certificat? Produce it and the issue goes away. Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 sets out the qualifications one must meet to be eligible for election as President: “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President”.
Warmonger Obama exploits and politicizes the deaths of a million Middle Easterners to garner votes and his voters have no shame and continue to support the lying sack of garbage.
Racism you can believe in.
Did they verify the they had the Original Birth Certificate on file in 2008 or was it destroyed in 2001 when they went ‘paperless.?’
Simple question.
AGAIN: did they verify the they had the Original Birth Certificate on file in 2008 or was it destroyed in 2001 when they went ‘paperless.?’
Simple question, please answer.
Did they verify the they had the Original Birth Certificate on file in 2008 or was it destroyed in 2001 when they went ‘paperless.?’
Would like to know.
Did they verify that they had the Original Birth Certificate on file in 2008 or was it destroyed in 2001 when they went ‘paperless.?’
Simple question.
David Campbell,
Check your facts yourself. Bush gave the billions to corporations. Obama was elected in November and took office in January. The Billions were given away by the Bush administration. It was the Bush administration that got the Chrysler bailout/bankruptcy ball rolling last October.
And you need to check a map once in awhile. The Fenton plant transferred the truck manufacturing to Warren Michigan. Minivan production stopped last October while Bush was president. Warren Michigan by the way is in the US, not Mexico. Chrysler is closing plants. And they are planning on building cars in Mexico, but there is speculation that they will be Fiats.
Hawaiian Officals claimed they verified that they had the Original Birth Certificate on file in 2008 or was it destroyed in 2001 when they went ‘paperless.?’
Simple question.
I love the smell of birthers drowning in their own bile in the morning.
again…Hawaiian Officals claimed they verified that they had the Original Birth Certificate on file in 2008 or was it destroyed in 2001 when they went ‘paperless.?’
Simple question.
As long as your thinking with a left/right mindset your exactly where they want you. Divide and conquer is the name of the game.
Contradiction to the only proof Snopes OR ANYONE had:
Hawaiian Officals claimed they verified that they had the Original Birth Certificate on file in 2008 Now was it destroyed in 2001 when they went ‘paperless.?’
Which lie is it?
Again: Contradiction to the only proof Snopes OR ANYONE had:
Hawaiian Officals claimed they verified that they had the Original Birth Certificate on file in 2008 Now was it destroyed in 2001 when they went ‘paperless.?’
Which lie is it?
AM’
WTF are you talking about? Time to take your pill now?
Lies, lies, lies: Contradiction to the only proof Snopes OR ANYONE had:
Hawaiian Officals claimed they verified that they had the Original Birth Certificate on file in 2008 Now was it destroyed in 2001 when they went ‘paperless.?’
Which lie is it?
AM,
Step away from the ledge.
Newman:
Cnn says Hawaii NOW says they destroyed Obama’s ORGIINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE in 2001 when they went paperless, so this issue is dead.
Yet, the evidence obots and snopes etc. point to as fact is that Hawaii said in Oct. 2008 that they personally verified they have his ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE on file.
So which is it? Someone certainly lied. Fact.
Newman:
Cnn says Hawaii NOW says they destroyed Obama’s ORGIINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE in 2001 when they went paperless, so this issue is dead.
Yet, the evidence obots and snopes etc. point to as fact is that Hawaii said in Oct. 2008 that they personally verified they have his ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE on file.
So which is it? Someone certainly lied. Fact.
Just answer the question Newman.
Answer Newman, don’t hurl insults. A simple answer–or it should be.
Can you answer?
I like lou dobbs,but my respect is fastly waning. The economy is in the toilet,people [inc.my self] have seen ther jobs stolen/outsourced,our home’s are worth less than we paid ,& many in foreclosure, & all we can discuss is if our president is a citizen, please! what ever idiot thinks he isnt, i will buy you a one way ticket to the island of hawaii,& you can go to the public record’s & look it up your self.Talk about dirty sour grapes your party has sunk to the depths of insanity & stupidity,bet you believe his mom was black also & born in Iran & they lied about that also.
Cnn says Hawaii NOW says they destroyed Obama’s ORGIINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE in 2001 when they went paperless, so this issue is dead.
Yet, the evidence obots and snopes etc. point to as fact is that Hawaii said in Oct. 2008 that they personally verified they have his ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE on file.
So which is it? Someone certainly lied. Fact.
I only watch CNN because of Lou Dobbs. He is a straight shooter.
GIANT contradiction:
Cnn says Hawaii NOW says they destroyed Obama’s ORGIINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE in 2001 when they went paperless, so this issue is dead.
Yet, the evidence obots and snopes etc. point to as fact is that Hawaii said in Oct. 2008 that they personally verified they have his ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE on file.
So which is it? Someone certainly lied. Fact.
Someone is lying, who asked them to?
Cnn says Hawaii NOW says they destroyed Obama’s ORGIINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE in 2001 when they went paperless, so this issue is dead.
Yet, the evidence obots and snopes etc. point to as fact is that Hawaii said in Oct. 2008 that they personally verified they have his ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE on file.
So which is it? Someone certainly lied. Fact.
Someone is lying, who asked them to?
Cnn said Hawaii NOW says they destroyed Obama’s ORGIINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE in 2001 when they went paperless, so this issue is dead.
Yet, the evidence obots and snopes etc. point to as fact is that Hawaii said in Oct. 2008 that they personally verified they have his ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE on file.
So which is it? Someone certainly lied. Fact.
Well? Who is lying, Newman? Someone is. And who asked them to?
Cnn said Hawaii NOW says they destroyed Obama’s ORGIINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE in 2001 when they went paperless, so this issue is dead.
Yet, the evidence obots and snopes etc. point to as fact is that Hawaii said in Oct. 2008 that they personally verified they have his ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE on file.
So which is it? Someone certainly lied. Fact.
Well? Who is lying? Someone is. And who asked them to?
Cnn said Hawaii NOW says they destroyed Obama’s ORGIINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE in 2001 when they went paperless, so this issue is dead.
Yet, the evidence obots and snopes etc. point to as fact is that Hawaii said in Oct. 2008 that they personally verified they have his ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE on file.
So which is it? Someone certainly lied. Fact.
Yeah I know it’s a toughie for the obots to grapple with.
Well? Who is lying? Someone is. And who asked them to?
Cnn said Hawaii NOW says they destroyed Obama’s ORGIINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE in 2001 when they went paperless, so this issue is dead.
Yet, the evidence obots and snopes etc. point to as fact is that Hawaii said in Oct. 2008 that they personally verified they have his ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE on file.
So which is it? Someone certainly lied. Fact.
Having dealt with various bureaucracies in the past (DMV, SSA, city, county, and state agencies, schools, hospitals, etc.) I would say someone (probably a PR person or an assistant) gave an easy and convenient answer in 2008 when it didn’t seem to matter all that much and the real answer is that it was destroyed in 2001.
The question may come down to the speakers definition of an ORIGINAL birth certificate. Are newly generated ORIGINAL birth certificates in Hawaii paperless? If they are, what is the difference between an official scanning one in electronically and an official generating one electronically? From a certain point of view the ORIGINAL could have been destroyed in 2001 and still verified in 2008.
I know I’d like an answer.
Who is lying? Someone is. And who asked them to?
Cnn said Hawaii NOW says they destroyed Obama’s ORGIINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE in 2001 when they went paperless, so this issue is dead.
Yet, the evidence obots and snopes etc. point to as fact is that Hawaii said in Oct. 2008 that they personally verified they have his ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE on file.
So which is it? Someone certainly lied. Fact.
Newman, I am not comfortable with just a certain “point of view.”
One can easily distinguish between what was destroyed and what was archived.
If there is an original birth certificate in ANY form, how can CNN declare the issue dead or illegitimate now. Lies.
I think if you do a reality check on what Medicare pays hospitals and doctors now most Americans would be surprised. My wife had stomach pain required 4 tests to isolate problem (ovaries, colon, bladder, gallblader). Medicare paid the doctors and hosiptal 14.18% of the bills for tests (cost $3772.84 vs Medicare payment of $534.86). News media and AARP needs to look into what Medicare pays to come up with legitimate costs not on what some politician says they should be paying or cutting. After all their track record is nothing I’m proud of as an American. By the way she had a bad gallblader which was remove 5 weeks ago and I have not received the copy of the bill from Medicare.
Obama lied about nearly every policy position he had. He continues to kill babies in the middle East. You defend this?
Why should I take him at his word?
Ahhh… the sweet smell of battle between the “BLIEFERS” and the “BIRTHERS”. The “BLIEFERS” are the “Blind Believers” who are willing to accept anything on face value and drink the kool-aid when told to do so.
Wake up, people. If you stay “BLIEFERS”, you will no longer be the America you once knew and loved.
I really think that those who don’t like America or who want America to change to something that it isn’t or wasn’t meant to be, should be offered bus tickets out of the county.
PLENTY of progessives, like me, are birthers, too!
This is not an issue with the right.
More questions today than ever before. We have an obfuscating liar in the white house.
Why is Obama manipulating CNN and all the press. Smells like GWB to me.
My past experience has shown that all people especially politicians lie.
Why would anyone ask me to throw away my skepticism? No, I am not the fool–anyone believing this genocidal maniac in the white house is.
AM,
I am also not comfortable with the idea of a certain “point of view”, but this is politics.
And what re you talking about lied about every policy position? If he gets something through then he’s “destroying the universe” and if he changes a position based on new or changing information then he “lied”.
I would much rather have a leader who admits that things change and new decisions need to be made than a leader who makes a decision and sticks with it even when the assumed facts used to make the decision are proven wrong. WMD’s anyone?
What genocide?
Cnn said Hawaii NOW says they destroyed Obama’s ORGIINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE in 2001 when they went paperless, so this issue is dead.
Yet, the evidence obots and snopes etc. point to as fact is that Hawaii said in Oct. 2008 that they personally verified they have his ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE on file.
So which is it? Someone certainly lied. Fact.
One can easily distinguish between what was destroyed and what was archived.
If there is an original birth certificate in ANY form, how can CNN declare the issue dead or illegitimate now. Lies.
Obama lied about nearly every policy position he had. He continues to kill babies in the middle East.
Why should I take him at his word?
PLENTY of progessives, like me, are birthers, too! This is not an issue with the right.
My past experience has shown that all people especially politicians lie.
Why would anyone ask me to throw away my skepticism? No, I am not the fool–anyone believing this genocidal maniac in the white house is.
Newman, He could end the war, he CHOOSES not to.
Why are a million middle easterners inferior in your eyes to your precious Obama?
At one time CNN was a highly respected news channel. Their employment of such a polarizing individual reporting the ‘facts’ is the reason I no longer count on them to provide substance on any news event. Big or small. CNN permitting Dobbs to continue on this dangerous path is irresponsible. How long are you going to allow him to yell ‘FIRE’ in the crowded room?
AM,
Please cite your specific CNN, “Obots” and Snopes sources, and the specific lines where you see contradiction.
Newman, this is a war you support now. And I don’t trust anyone in favor of killing. You can’t ask me to.
It’s a massive cover up. Obama faked his own birth certificate when he was two weeks old, knowing that someday he would be running for president. He was really born in Sweden and had blond hair and blue eyes until recently. If we could somehow prove all this then we could get the Ludites, fearmongers & haters back in office to take charge of America. Makes perfect sense!
PM:
TVNewser has learned CNN/U.S. president Jon Klein sent an email to a handful of “Lou Dobbs Tonight” staffers last night regarding the coverage of the so-called birthers and the validity of Pres. Obama’s birth in the U.S.
In part, Klein writes, “It seems this story is dead- because anyone who still is not convinced doesn’t really have a legitimate beef.” Klein asked CNN researchers to dig into the question of why Obama couldn’t produce the original birth certificate. The researchers contacted the Hawaii Health Dept. and confirmed that paper documents were discarded in 2001 when the department went paperless. That reportedly includes Pres. Obama’s original birth certificate.
that contradicts this from October, 2008:
Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino says she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.
PM I am not trying to be rude, but it is a contradiction. I don’t think these question warrant marginalization and ridicule.
Last I checked, Progressives, democrats, obamacrats, republicans, libertarians, etc.. all have to share this country. Respect one another, please.
Obama asks babies to die for his war, soldiers, too…yet he cannot even sacrifice say, $30 for a copy of his long form original birth certificate?
Talk about a coward.
Folks, my mother was born in Mississippi. She does not have a “live” birth certificate, as defined by some of the “birthers”. Does this mean that she is not an American? My first cousins were born overseas because their father was stationed there. Are they Americans? Do the “birthers” have any evidence that President Obama was born in Kenya? If so, let’s put the burden on them to produce the evidence. Both of the President’s parents were residing in Hawaii at the time of his birth. Do the “birthers” have any evidence whatsoever that the parents were living in Kenya instead? Both were students at the University of Hawaii. The President’s birth certificate has been made public, but the “birthers” and their fellow conspiracy theorists will continue to believe that he is not a citizen. Let’s stop giving them an audience and put this notion to rest.
Did you rail against Bush? I don’t think so. And if he did stop it right away people like you would complain that he is not keeping us safe.
By the way, he never said he would end the war in Afghanistan. He said he would end the war in Iraq. He said we needed a clear and achievable mission in Afghanistan.
As far as the birth certificate and citizenship, it is a moot point anyway. The citizenship of his mother is not in question. His mother was a US citizen. Even if he were born in Kenya of a US mother he would me a natural US citizen.
Besides, this is a stupid law anyway. It was designed to keep European duschbags from running for president. Instead we’ve had 8 years of an American duschbag.
AM, please explain the announcement of Obama’s birth in two newspapers. And, doesn’t his mother’s citizenship make him a citizen? That is the problem with this theory. The facts prove otherwise. As far as Dobbs, he’s pandering to an audience that was attracted to his views on immigration. This ain’t journalism, though.
Gotta go be productive now AM. Keep up the fight for sanity. I have confidence that you will get there. If you can’t though, at least try to hold out ’till our illegitimate president gets you health care that can help you in your condition.
Lala, PM, Newman-
(lala) this question is generally not if he is “American’. It’s if he’s natural born.
Personally, I question if he’s an American or an Indonesian. His name was Barry Soetoro, by his own admission. Generally, that would mean he was likely adopted by Lolo if he took his last name. This photo from the AP says Lolo is his father and it says he is an Indonesian citizen. When did he renounce that citizenship? Obama claims the school made THREE errors on this form. I say his ‘word’ is not enough. For me, I don’t buy that a bit. The fact that he was allowed to attend public school there speaks to it’s VALIDITY. I shouldn’t endure ridicule for these questions. No one should. (There are translations on the web if you choose to even consider my argument.)
http://www.daylife.com/photo/01u33pL9Ns06D
Lala, PM, Newman-
And I meant to ask if any of you know of when he may have renounced his Indonesian citizenship? If he did that, I believe it makes a difference–for me anyway. I don’t buy the ‘born in Kenya’ argument but I don’t think those people are stupid. There is evidence to the contrary but no, not definitive.
But, he simply won’t answer any questions about it.
Doesn’t that remind you guys at all of GWB? It does me.
Newman–Your efforts to be civil are impressive. And the fact that you can’t debate says so much more about you.
“# Newman | July 25th, 2009 at 02:12 pm
Gotta go be productive now AM. Keep up the fight for sanity. I have confidence that you will get there. If you can’t though, at least try to hold out ’till our illegitimate president gets you health care that can help you in your condition.”
I have none. But it isn’t definitive–it doesn’t state where he was born, just where he lived. There are alot of contradictory facts surrounding this issue. In fact the ‘born in Kenya’ theory holds taht he resided in Hawaii. No one disputes that. And most don’t dispute he’s an American–they dispute whether he is Natural Born. It would take two American parents to pass that status on to him.
It’s just another reason why I think he should be eager to answer questions.
“AM, please explain the announcement of Obama’s birth in two newspapers. “
I did hear the audio of Sarah Obama (his grandmother) say that she attended his birth in Kenya. If the translation is legitimate–I would believe her any day. I can’t imagine any place more dishonest than this country.
But then again, there may be a reason that Obama asked her to say that…and of course other explanations, too. Why is it so wrong to wonder?
“AM, please explain the announcement of Obama’s birth in two newspapers. “
And I will say this is definitive evidence, for me anyway, that he was indeed born and he did live in Hawaii. So, I don’t dispute those things.
I’m not sure he should be eager to answer. I think that this issue gives Obama the ability to brand his opponents as right-wing extremists.
And that is wrong. Painting reasonable people as extremist is dangerous–I would think he would want to protect us all.
“#
Having dealt with various bureaucracies in the past (DMV, SSA, city, county, and state agencies, schools, hospitals, etc.) I would say someone (probably a PR person or an assistant) gave an easy and convenient answer in 2008 when it didn’t seem to matter all that much and the real answer is that it was destroyed in 2001.
The question may come down to the speakers definition of an ORIGINAL birth certificate. Are newly generated ORIGINAL birth certificates in Hawaii paperless? If they are, what is the difference between an official scanning one in electronically and an official generating one electronically? From a certain point of view the ORIGINAL could have been destroyed in 2001 and still verified in 2008.
# AM | July 25th, 2009 at 01:35 pm
I know I’d like an answer.
Who is lying? Someone is. And who asked them to?
Cnn said Hawaii NOW says they destroyed Obama’s ORGIINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE in 2001 when they went paperless, so this issue is dead.
Yet, the evidence obots and snopes etc. point to as fact is that Hawaii said in Oct. 2008 that they personally verified they have his ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE on file.
So which is it? Someone certainly lied. Fact.
# AM | July 25th, 2009 at 01:38 pm
Newman, I am not comfortable with just a certain “point of view.”
One can easily distinguish between what was destroyed and what was archived.
If there is an original birth certificate in ANY form, how can CNN declare the issue dead or illegitimate now. Lies.
# Bob Mitchell | July 25th, 2009 at 01:39 pm
I think if you do a reality check on what Medicare pays hospitals and doctors now most Americans would be surprised. My wife had stomach pain required 4 tests to isolate problem (ovaries, colon, bladder, gallblader). Medicare paid the doctors and hosiptal 14.18% of the bills for tests (cost $3772.84 vs Medicare payment of $534.86). News media and AARP needs to look into what Medicare pays to come up with legitimate costs not on what some politician says they should be paying or cutting. After all their track record is nothing I’m proud of as an American. By the way she had a bad gallblader which was remove 5 weeks ago and I have not received the copy of the bill from Medicare.
# AM | July 25th, 2009 at 01:39 pm
Obama lied about nearly every policy position he had. He continues to kill babies in the middle East. You defend this?
Why should I take him at his word?
# Bob | July 25th, 2009 at 01:39 pm
Ahhh… the sweet smell of battle between the “BLIEFERS” and the “BIRTHERS”. The “BLIEFERS” are the “Blind Believers” who are willing to accept anything on face value and drink the kool-aid when told to do so.
Wake up, people. If you stay “BLIEFERS”, you will no longer be the America you once knew and loved.
I really think that those who don’t like America or who want America to change to something that it isn’t or wasn’t meant to be, should be offered bus tickets out of the county.
# AM | July 25th, 2009 at 01:40 pm
PLENTY of progessives, like me, are birthers, too!
This is not an issue with the right.
# AM | July 25th, 2009 at 01:42 pm
More questions today than ever before. We have an obfuscating liar in the white house.
# AM | July 25th, 2009 at 01:44 pm
Why is Obama manipulating CNN and all the press. Smells like GWB to me.
# AM | July 25th, 2009 at 01:48 pm
My past experience has shown that all people especially politicians lie.
Why would anyone ask me to throw away my skepticism? No, I am not the fool–anyone believing this genocidal maniac in the white house is.
# Newman | July 25th, 2009 at 01:50 pm
AM,
I am also not comfortable with the idea of a certain “point of view”, but this is politics.
And what re you talking about lied about every policy position? If he gets something through then he’s “destroying the universe” and if he changes a position based on new or changing information then he “lied”.
I would much rather have a leader who admits that things change and new decisions need to be made than a leader who makes a decision and sticks with it even when the assumed facts used to make the decision are proven wrong. WMD’s anyone?
# Newman | July 25th, 2009 at 01:51 pm
What genocide?
# AM | July 25th, 2009 at 01:52 pm
Cnn said Hawaii NOW says they destroyed Obama’s ORGIINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE in 2001 when they went paperless, so this issue is dead.
Yet, the evidence obots and snopes etc. point to as fact is that Hawaii said in Oct. 2008 that they personally verified they have his ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE on file.
So which is it? Someone certainly lied. Fact.
One can easily distinguish between what was destroyed and what was archived.
If there is an original birth certificate in ANY form, how can CNN declare the issue dead or illegitimate now. Lies.
Obama lied about nearly every policy position he had. He continues to kill babies in the middle East.
Why should I take him at his word?
PLENTY of progessives, like me, are birthers, too! This is not an issue with the right.
My past experience has shown that all people especially politicians lie.
Why would anyone ask me to throw away my skepticism? No, I am not the fool–anyone believing this genocidal maniac in the white house is.
# AM | July 25th, 2009 at 01:54 pm
Newman, He could end the war, he CHOOSES not to.
Why are a million middle easterners inferior in your eyes to your precious Obama?
# kat | July 25th, 2009 at 01:54 pm
At one time CNN was a highly respected news channel. Their employment of such a polarizing individual reporting the ‘facts’ is the reason I no longer count on them to provide substance on any news event. Big or small. CNN permitting Dobbs to continue on this dangerous path is irresponsible. How long are you going to allow him to yell ‘FIRE’ in the crowded room?
# PM | July 25th, 2009 at 01:54 pm
AM,
Please cite your specific CNN, “Obots” and Snopes sources, and the specific lines where you see contradiction.
# AM | July 25th, 2009 at 01:55 pm
Newman, this is a war you support now. And I don’t trust anyone in favor of killing. You can’t ask me to.
# Jim in Juneau | July 25th, 2009 at 01:59 pm
It’s a massive cover up. Obama faked his own birth certificate when he was two weeks old, knowing that someday he would be running for president. He was really born in Sweden and had blond hair and blue eyes until recently. If we could somehow prove all this then we could get the Ludites, fearmongers & haters back in office to take charge of America. Makes perfect sense!
# AM | July 25th, 2009 at 01:59 pm
PM:
TVNewser has learned CNN/U.S. president Jon Klein sent an email to a handful of “Lou Dobbs Tonight” staffers last night regarding the coverage of the so-called birthers and the validity of Pres. Obama’s birth in the U.S.
In part, Klein writes, “It seems this story is dead- because anyone who still is not convinced doesn’t really have a legitimate beef.” Klein asked CNN researchers to dig into the question of why Obama couldn’t produce the original birth certificate. The researchers contacted the Hawaii Health Dept. and confirmed that paper documents were discarded in 2001 when the department went paperless. That reportedly includes Pres. Obama’s original birth certificate.
that contradicts this from October, 2008:
Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino says she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.
# AM | July 25th, 2009 at 02:03 pm
PM I am not trying to be rude, but it is a contradiction. I don’t think these question warrant marginalization and ridicule.
Last I checked, Progressives, democrats, obamacrats, republicans, libertarians, etc.. all have to share this country. Respect one another, please.
Obama asks babies to die for his war, soldiers, too…yet he cannot even sacrifice say, $30 for a copy of his long form original birth certificate?
Talk about a coward.
# Lala | July 25th, 2009 at 02:04 pm
Folks, my mother was born in Mississippi. She does not have a “live” birth certificate, as defined by some of the “birthers”. Does this mean that she is not an American? My first cousins were born overseas because their father was stationed there. Are they Americans? Do the “birthers” have any evidence that President Obama was born in Kenya? If so, let’s put the burden on them to produce the evidence. Both of the President’s parents were residing in Hawaii at the time of his birth. Do the “birthers” have any evidence whatsoever that the parents were living in Kenya instead? Both were students at the University of Hawaii. The President’s birth certificate has been made public, but the “birthers” and their fellow conspiracy theorists will continue to believe that he is not a citizen. Let’s stop giving them an audience and put this notion to rest.
# Newman | July 25th, 2009 at 02:07 pm
Did you rail against Bush? I don’t think so. And if he did stop it right away people like you would complain that he is not keeping us safe.
By the way, he never said he would end the war in Afghanistan. He said he would end the war in Iraq. He said we needed a clear and achievable mission in Afghanistan.
As far as the birth certificate and citizenship, it is a moot point anyway. The citizenship of his mother is not in question. His mother was a US citizen. Even if he were born in Kenya of a US mother he would me a natural US citizen.
Besides, this is a stupid law anyway. It was designed to keep European duschbags from running for president. Instead we’ve had 8 years of an American duschbag.
# Sanity Please | July 25th, 2009 at 02:11 pm
AM, please explain the announcement of Obama’s birth in two newspapers. And, doesn’t his mother’s citizenship make him a citizen? That is the problem with this theory. The facts prove otherwise. As far as Dobbs, he’s pandering to an audience that was attracted to his views on immigration. This ain’t journalism, though.
# Newman | July 25th, 2009 at 02:12 pm
Gotta go be productive now AM. Keep up the fight for sanity. I have confidence that you will get there. If you can’t though, at least try to hold out ’till our illegitimate president gets you health care that can help you in your condition.
# AM | July 25th, 2009 at 02:13 pm
Lala, PM, Newman-
(lala) this question is generally not if he is “American’. It’s if he’s natural born.
Personally, I question if he’s an American or an Indonesian. His name was Barry Soetoro, by his own admission. Generally, that would mean he was likely adopted by Lolo if he took his last name. This photo from the AP says Lolo is his father and it says he is an Indonesian citizen. When did he renounce that citizenship? Obama claims the school made THREE errors on this form. I say his ‘word’ is not enough. For me, I don’t buy that a bit. The fact that he was allowed to attend public school there speaks to it’s VALIDITY. I shouldn’t endure ridicule for these questions. No one should. (There are translations on the web if you choose to even consider my argument.)
http://www.daylife.com/photo/01u33pL9Ns06D
# AM | July 25th, 2009 at 02:16 pm
Lala, PM, Newman-
And I meant to ask if any of you know of when he may have renounced his Indonesian citizenship? If he did that, I believe it makes a difference–for me anyway. I don’t buy the ‘born in Kenya’ argument but I don’t think those people are stupid. There is evidence to the contrary but no, not definitive.
But, he simply won’t answer any questions about it.
Doesn’t that remind you guys at all of GWB? It does me.
# AM | July 25th, 2009 at 02:18 pm
Newman–Your efforts to be civil are impressive. And the fact that you can’t debate says so much more about you.
“# Newman | July 25th, 2009 at 02:12 pm
Gotta go be productive now AM. Keep up the fight for sanity. I have confidence that you will get there. If you can’t though, at least try to hold out ’till our illegitimate president gets you health care that can help you in your condition.”
# AM | July 25th, 2009 at 02:22 pm
I have none. But it isn’t definitive–it doesn’t state where he was born, just where he lived. There are alot of contradictory facts surrounding this issue. In fact the ‘born in Kenya’ theory holds taht he resided in Hawaii. No one disputes that. And most don’t dispute he’s an American–they dispute whether he is Natural Born. It would take two American parents to pass that status on to him.
It’s just another reason why I think he should be eager to answer questions.
“AM, please explain the announcement of Obama’s birth in two newspapers. “
# AM | July 25th, 2009 at 02:26 pm
I did hear the audio of Sarah Obama (his grandmother) say that she attended his birth in Kenya. If the translation is legitimate–I would believe her any day. I can’t imagine any place more dishonest than this country.
But then again, there may be a reason that Obama asked her to say that…and of course other explanations, too. Why is it so wrong to wonder?
# AM | July 25th, 2009 at 02:33 pm
“AM, please explain the announcement of Obama’s birth in two newspapers. “
And I will say this is definitive evidence, for me anyway, that he was indeed born and he did live in Hawaii. So, I don’t dispute those things.”
These arguments about Bush and Obama are funny. There is not much difference on many issues, except Obama throws a baseball like my granny.
Bush…big government
Obama….socialist government
Bush….bail out the banks and GM and Chrysler
Obama…Ditto, plus the states and unions
Bush…Out of control government spending
Obama…disastrous government spending
Bush…War in Afghanistan
Obama…escalates war in Afghanistan
Bush…amnesty for illegal aliens
Obama…ditto
Bush…arrogant
Obama…beyond arrogant
Bush…says I’m the decider
Obama…says I’m the President of the United States..about every other minute
Bush…waterboard the ********
Obama…give them a cookie
bigbud,
so lets get this right… punish the guy who does it right because other larger employers got it wrong. corporations dont pay any taxes (wish I could figure that one out for my $700 million revenue stream, even my Ivy League CPA’s cant get there, maybe you can share how that is happening exactly), the current economic cycle is the fault of the Republicans (I think both parties share fault but you seem to have some inside info here), all white wealthy guy’s are racists unless they are democrats, Pelosi and Reid CAN fix the health insurance issues (regardless of the fact that they haven’t during the past 15 yrs they have been in Washington), we should trust congress more than doctors with our health care, I dont know anything about health care (good one since I have both seem my mother survive cancer in the US system and my aunt die from the same desease over in England despite having been diagnosed as the same stage. not to mention I under right a large portion of our plan through Health Savings Account for my employees), I am blaming President Obama for all the toubles (I went back a read again: I did not see that I said that becuase I dont blame just him… I just said he’s not helping me, which is what you said he is doing)and the one I love the best: becuase there are racists in this world then it’s ok for our President to berate a white Officer and imply that he is a racists when the actual facts, his fellow black officers and now even the guy he arrested say that’s not the case… and he (the President) doesn’t owe the officer an apology because of 1000’s of years of racism around the world… are you kidding.. just how does your theory advance anything but racism… oh, I forgot, you too are a business man… good luck with that over the long term… you are a waist of time…I am done…
The so-called “birthers” are employing the exact same strategy as climate change deniers, and creationists.
They have absolutely no proof themselves, so, they attempt to drum up faux-controversy in order to give their idiotic “Theories” legitimacy.
The overwhelming, and I mean OVERWHELMING, majority of Americans (Wingnuts included) know this is a non-issue.
Debating these buffoons, regardless of how moronic you make them look, only encourages them.
Now, making fun of them is an entirely different story.
Oh, has anyone ever noticed that when Wingnuts are involved in a thread such as this, it is inevitable that one of them (At least one) will claim to be a “Millionaire?” Never fails.
My favorite is when they say, “Oh, yeah? Is that why my I.Q. is 197, and yours is like 43?”
Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha! God, they do so make me laugh.
I agree that this is a moot issue. Under te Naturalization Act of 1790, even if President Obama had been born in Kenya, he still would be considered a natural born citizen of the US because his mother was a citizen and his father was a resident of the US. The fact is that he was born in Hawaii, which is a state. It is difficult for some “birthers” to accept that an African American was elected president of the USA. They would rather believe that he is an outsider or “not like us”. The story about the President being an Indonesian is a big joke. President Obama was a kid who was dragged off to Indonesia when he was six years old. He was never adopted by his stepfather and he never renounced his citizenship as an American. As for his step-grandmother being present at his birth, how do you know she did not visit Hawaii for that purpose? This thing is getting more and more bizarre. By the way, how many “birthers” have seen George Bush’s live birth certificate?
The problem is, neither side has any proof. And your transparent president isn’t willing to give it.
“They have absolutely no proof themselves.”
“father was a resident of the US.” He would have to be a citizen, naturalized would even count. But he wasn’t.
“They would rather believe that he is an outsider or “not like us”.”
“They would rather believe that he is an outsider or “not like us”.”
No, most would rather BELIEVE an outsider: Sarah Obama from Kenya. If the audio purported to be her claiming to have been present at his birth in Kenya is authentic, why would you not believe her? Because she is an outsider and black?
Oh wait, you probably don’t believe her because she was impoverished. The ‘elite’ hate and oppress the poor.
““They would rather believe that he is an outsider or “not like us”.
”No, most would rather BELIEVE an outsider: Sarah Obama from Kenya. If the audio purported to be her claiming to have been present at his birth in Kenya is authentic, why would you not believe her? Because she is an outsider and black?”
AM – when you talk about the “elite” are you refering to Preident Obama at his $20 million vacation home, President Bush at his $12 million ranch or President Clinton in his $13 million New York Mansion… it’s an interesting and confusing term…
wow mike, just blame me for what you are doing yourself.
1. punish the guy who does it right because other larger employers got it wrong
(the government has been doing this for years, welcome to the real world)
2. corporations dont pay any taxes (wish I could figure that one out for my $700 million revenue stream, even my Ivy League CPA’s cant get there, maybe you can share how that is happening exactly)
( so i exagerated here, but it is a fact that MOST major corps divert a huge portion of thieir profits off shore to not pay taxes on it. remember, congress talked about this earlier in the year)
3. the current economic cycle is the fault of the Republicans
(your right, both parties have been at fault in the past, but the republicans have fought tooth and nail to continue down the path that got us in this mess RE: every major rebublican polititians answer to Obama is HE’S WRONG, with no plan but stay the course that got us here)
4. all white wealthy guy’s are racists unless they are democrats
(thats not what i said. a majority of wealthy white republicans (and when i say this i mean elected officials) are racist. Look at the major voices for them, that is what the preach. The majority IE. not everyone, just a large amount, are waging class warfare. make the rich, more rich, keep the poor, poor, uneducated and working for **** wages.)
5. Pelosi and Reid CAN fix the health insurance issues (regardless of the fact that they haven’t during the past 15 yrs they have been in Washington)
(because the repulicans have been in the pocket of the med insurance business for years. no one has been willing to stand up to them before, because the repubs in power have ALWAYS blocked any movement in this arena. Why is universal health care bad? Every country rated above us in health care has a universal health care plan. They have better health care than our system, so they must be wrong!?!)
6. becuase there are racists in this world then it’s ok for our President to berate a white Officer and imply that he is a racists when the actual facts, his fellow black officers and now even the guy he arrested say that’s not the case… and he (the President) doesn’t owe the officer an apology because of 1000’s of years of racism around the world… are you kidding.. just how does your theory advance anything but racism
( first WTF are you talking about? I was not talking about this whole statement he made the other day. My point is that you cannot say “well, we elected a black guy, so there is no more racism.” when we have ELECTED OFFICALS calling him a n*gger.)
“AM – when you talk about the “elite” are you refering to Preident Obama at his $20 million vacation home, President Bush at his $12 million ranch or President Clinton in his $13 million New York Mansion… it’s an interesting and confusing term…”
That’s exactly who I am referring to.
“Did you rail against Bush? I don’t think so. And if he did stop it right away people like you would complain that he is not keeping us safe.”
BS. I was out there protesting BEFORE shock and awe. Were you? It was plain as day they were cooking up the facts to fit their case, outing CIA agents to bully their way. You don’t know me.
As I said, there are legitimate questions to Obama’s citizenship, even for a progressive liberal LIKE ME.
MoveOn organized plenty of protests against the war in Iraq. I attended a few. Too bad they have no integrity left.
I spoke out to all who would listen. Still do.
“father was a resident of the US.” He would have to be a citizen, naturalized would even count. But he wasn’t.
This is a false statement.
The Constitution requires that the president be a “natural-born citizen” of the USA. Title 8, Section 1401 of the US Code categorizes who belongs to this group of citizens. The group includes “Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)”. Therefore since there has never been any question about his mother qualifying as one of these parents, it is totally moot whether his father was an alien or a resident, and where she gave birth to Barak Obama, whether in Hawaii, Indonesia, Kenya, or the moon, is also completely moot.
That is no doubt why the complaints filed in federal courts before Obama’s inauguration were all dismissed. Surely you don’t think Chief Justice Roberts would have participated in the inauguration if there was a legitimate question as to whether Obama was qualified to be president?
If you do, I feel sorry for you.
oddjob wrote: “Therefore since there has never been any question about his mother qualifying as one of these parents, it is totally moot whether his father was an alien or a resident, and where she gave birth to Barak Obama, whether in Hawaii, Indonesia, Kenya, or the moon, is also completely moot.”
He references Title 8, Section 1401 of the US Code, however that law does not mention “natural born” citizen, just citizen.
I don’t believe any law regarding citizenship mentions “natural born” citizen except the Constitution.
Therefore, I do not believe the point is moot. It would probably take a Supreme Court decision to decide if a foreign born citizen was a “natural born” citizen.
The constitution requires one to be a “natural born citizen” or a citizen at the time of adoption of the Constitution to be President. Natural born at time of adoption of the Constitution most likely meant one has to be born within the borders of the United States.
Lala,
The Naturalization Act of 1790, which had the words “natural born citizen”, was repealed by the Naturalization Act of 1795 and the words “natural born” were removed.
So, it is not a moot point if he was born in Kenya.
“If you do, I feel sorry for you.”
OddJob:
Feel sorry for me. But Lib just, uh, *burned* you…bad.
*wicked cackle*
“Surely you don’t think Chief Justice Roberts would have participated in the inauguration if there was a legitimate question as to whether Obama was qualified to be president?”
And to your answer your question: if I thought Roberts had been presented all the evidence (or any)–he would be better qualified to judge the situation.
He doesn’t. No one does.
“Don’t waste your time Greg. Klein and his CNN ***holes look at the revenue Dobbs rants bring in. They are third in line after Fox and MSNBC and no amount of fancy accounting gimmicks can get past the fact that CNN does not rule the airwaves. They have tried Foxlite and they are not making headway. Dobbs is an idiot. Do what I do: don’t watch CNN.They’re not worth the trouble. Try BBC America.”
AGREE!
Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”
Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
Next time, educate yourself before you bleat your ignorance.
“Folks, my mother was born in Mississippi. She does not have a “live” birth certificate, as defined by some of the “birthers”. Does this mean that she is not an American?”
I can beat that – I was born in Honolulu, like Obama, but Hawaii was still a territory when I was born so I wasn’t born in the US. But I have never had any problem getting a passport or a Social Security number or any other things that come with citizenship.
And I wasn’t born in a state. Obama was.
You know who else wasn’t born in the US? John McCain. He was born in Panama and how that makes him more of a citizen than Obama, I’ve yet to hear from the nutcases who are howling about Obama’s citizenship.
“I dont think 95% of people care one way or the other.Republicans dont need to destroy Obama he is falling apart before our very eyes.The Rassmusen pole had Obamas approval numbers down to 49% this morning.”
O noes! Yeah, he’s right on track to be more unpopular than Commander CooCoo Bananas.
In your dreams.
ROFLMAO – Obama is falling apart cause he’s lost a point in a Rasmussen poll. I think I’ll kill myself, alas.
Oddjob says:
“Next time, educate yourself before you bleat your ignorance.”
Well Oddjob, do you think calling me an ignorant sheep really advances the debate?
The question to me is not the definition of citizen but natural born citizen. I’d read Section 8 Section 401 of the U.S. Code. Maybe it requires me to understand what the definition of is is? My contention is the definition of natural born meant (at the time of adoption of the Constitution) one was born in the USA.
This is what was the Naturalization Act of 1790 stated:
“And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens”.
From that statement, it seems evident to me that Congress was including foreign born citizens as “natural born”. I believe that supports my argument that natural born citizens as stated in the Constitution means born in the USA.
However,the Naturalization Act of 1795 removed “natural born” and repealed the Nationalization Act of 1790. That seems to me they excluded foreign born from being natural born.
If you will show me subsequent law to the Constitution where “natural born citizen” is defined, then I could be persuaded.
If one running for President was challenged in court on this issue, it would most likely take a decision by the Supreme Court to define “natural born citizen.
I believe Obama was born in the USA. I just don’t accept the argument that if he was born in Kenya, he would be eligible to be President.
John McCain’s eligibility was questioned in the blogosphere and reported on NBC and other TV outlets because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone. In my opinion, McCain was ineligible.
The following was in an article by Pete Williams of NBC:
“In 1964, the Supreme Court seemed to say, without deciding, that “natural born” meant born inside the United States. In an opinion on an unrelated issue, the court observed, “The rights of citizenship of the native born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the ‘natural born’ citizen is eligible to be President.” But that language is not legally binding, and the Supreme Court has never ruled on what “natural born” means.”
Oddjob also says:
“That is no doubt why the complaints filed in federal courts before Obama’s inauguration were all dismissed.”
Some courts declined to render judgment due to lack of jurisdiction. Some cases were dismissed because of the plaintiff’s lack of standing.
Bleat Bleat.
As long as there are birthers that keep bleat bleat bleating, those Independents who used to be Republican will think twice before returning to the party. I’ve always been an Independent but my husband, who became one because he is so frustrated with the Republican party, will never go back as long as the crazies are in control.
Very often when Lou has a controversial story on his show he brings in people on both sides of the issue. For example when he talks about illegal immigration he often has the President of La Raza present the illegal alien’s point of view. What other news or commentary shows allow that? At least Lou hasn’t had any Obama Kool-Aid like almost all the rest of the media has. Things like “I feel a tingle up my leg, and “oh look he killed that fly”, give me a break. When has the Whitehouse press corp last asked him a tough question.
Regarding Obama’s “birth certificate”, it is not a birth certificate as far as I’m concerned without a physician’s name and signature or hospital on it. If you don’t think Obama has something to hide, here are the other records he refuses to release: his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.
His college records might show something like him having a scholarship as a citizen of another country, so maybe he isn’t a natural born citizen of the US as is required to be president of this country. There must be some logical reason for Obama to fight the release of his birth certificate. He has spent hundreds of thousands fighting this in many court cases.
Regarding the tone of many of the messages on this board, I truly hope that most liberals don’t carry around this level of vitriol because otherwise this country is in even more trouble than I think it is.
AM said: “PM I am not trying to be rude, but it is a contradiction. I don’t think these question warrant marginalization and ridicule.
Last I checked, Progressives, democrats, obamacrats, republicans, libertarians, etc.. all have to share this country. Respect one another, please.”
Not sure where in my one sentence question you picked up marginalization or ridicule. If anything, your use of the term “obots” (which I had to look up, and to the best of my knowledge refers to those who robotically follow obama…or oprah) suggest use of ridicule on your end.
My simple request was for your to CITE the sources–ie web links, article page numbers, etc.–from the sources that you reference where you see contradiction. This is the easiest, clearest way to present your position, as it allows others to assess the validity of both the contention as well as the sources.
So far, I’ve yet to see you cite your sources. The one link that you’ve given pertains to something different than your original claim that I asked you about.
People seeking truth don’t fear added (reliable)information; that’s why I’m asking for where you got your info. Your claim is that CNN has said one thing, and that “obots and snopes” have said another mutually exclusive thing. Please make it easy on us and put these documents “side by side” so to speak.
Forgive me, but as a grad student, I like citations that I can check myself. Weblinks. Articles page numbers. I’m willing to consider a position if you’re willing to “show your work.”
I don’t like Lou Dobbs at all. He is nothing but a pompous ***. Doesn’t appear to research the stories he does very well. There is one exception to this in part. The North American Union is very true. I would like to see someone do a story on The Bilderburg Group who are the ones behind the North American Union.
Great blog post on Lou Dobbs here:
http://www.seriousmonkey.com/2009/07/birthers-idiots-among-us-or-why-lou-dobbs-is-a-jackass.html
I think Obama is handling this issue very well. It’s not the job of the White House to take ridiculous lies like this too seriously. But it is absolutely the job of the media to discredit this junk fast and consistently. Otherwise, it may have serious consequences down the road: http://thestimulist.com/the-birthers-of-a-nation/
you see with obama. it’s like this. because of the AXELROD connection each door opens another door.
the reason they don’t want the birth certficate out there is that it opens another door.
either bacrack, jr’s parents were not married or his father was a bigamist with a wife and family in kenya.
so you see how every door opens another.
now, where is the wedding certificate, AXELROD?
Your all a bunch of stupid *****. First of all, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, and CBS all suck. They are all run by liberals and therefore are extremely biased. You get what they want you to hear as long as it doesn’t go against the clown in chief, Obama. BTW, Lou Dobbs is right on the money. If Barry Obama will just produce his long form birth certificate, ALL of this would go away!! Now, for nieve morons like the people on this blog, I guess you guys are so ******* stupid, you think Obama is legit. Well, ask yourselves one question, Why the **** would Barry not want to release the original? What is he hiding? Why not just release the damn thing. I guess he’s got fucktard morons like the idiots on this blog that will always defend him no matter what. I can’t wait till it all comes crashing down. Then, they can throw that ******* idiot (defacto) President of ours in prison where he can spend the rest of his life, along with all the other people involved in this scam. The spineless news media who got this moron elected can also be held accountable. You people are a bunch of retarded idiots that will defend this sociolist, communist ******* at all costs.
Lets settle the issue–the relative that witnessed Obama’s birth step forward and give us the facts. Why all the secrecy O’Bama?
I used to think Lou Dobbs had some good sense, and listened to him frequently. This “birther” issue is so ridiculous, I can’t stand to watch his program anymore. If CNN wants to shift to the far right, that’s their business, but Lou Dobbs no longer seems to be an asset, so far as I’m concerned. I used to overlook what I felt was a pompous and arrogant personality, as Lou Dobbs seemed to know what he was talking about. Now, I see an unwillingness to just back off from this issue. If President Obama can admit making mistakes, why can’t Dobbs?
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