Comments on: Joe The Plumber Enlisted To Campaign Against Employee Free Choice Act http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/labor/joe-the-plumber-to-campaign-against-employee-free-choice-act/ Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:02:54 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Fred Barrett http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/labor/joe-the-plumber-to-campaign-against-employee-free-choice-act/comment-page-1/#comment-60694 Fred Barrett Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:03:33 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=3803#comment-60694 I don't know Joe the Plumber, but I can tell you if he is the dimwit some on this site say he is why would they be concerned about him busting the union. Having been a member of at least 4 or more unions in my lifetime I can tell you that the unions do not need help in busting themselves. Look at the UAW who have been a major factor in the two bankrupt auto makers in the U.S.A. is a prime example of unions shooting themselves in the foot or cutting off their nose to spite their face just as the Teamsters Union has done under there present and previous leaders or a better name would be MISLEADERS, many who were involved with the Mob. They have gone from the dominating force in the highway transportation industry to having two Corporations basically who's employees are are represented by the teamsters and now you can add the largest trucking company in the world as well because of card check where close to half was against . The union. Non carriers now dominate the industry and they pay more than the unrepresented union companies. If one would check out the only company to have been forced into the union by card check they just might change their mind on card check. No one should be forced to chose the union or remain non union. I wonder how Americans would feel about having their right to a secret ballot taken from in local state and federal elections. By experience those collective bargaining unions seem to be wrapped up in their own good fortunes rather than being concerned for the rank and file. The problem is so intense among the teamsters that their incompetence has generated the Teamsters for a Democratic Union and it has even been the power behind the organization of new unions such as the APWA who was not permitted to compete with the teamsters at UPS. The unions are nothing more than corporations who are in it for the money, just as the companies who's employees they are supposed to represent but fail to do so most of the time. In America in this year of 2009 where have all of the champions of freedom gone to. I don’t know Joe the Plumber, but I can tell you if he is the dimwit some on this site say he is why would they be concerned about him busting the union. Having been a member of at least 4 or more unions in my lifetime I can tell you that the unions do not need help in busting themselves. Look at the UAW who have been a major factor in the two bankrupt auto makers in the U.S.A. is a prime example of unions shooting themselves in the foot or cutting off their nose to spite their face just as the Teamsters Union has done under there present and previous leaders or a better name would be MISLEADERS, many who were involved with the Mob. They have gone from the dominating force in the highway transportation industry to having two Corporations basically who’s employees are are represented by the teamsters and now you can add the largest trucking company in the world as well because of card check where close to half was against . The union. Non carriers now dominate the industry and they pay more than the unrepresented union companies. If one would check out the only company to have been forced into the union by card check they just might change their mind on card check. No one should be forced to chose the union or remain non union. I wonder how Americans would feel about having their right to a secret ballot taken from in local state and federal elections. By experience those collective bargaining unions seem to be wrapped up in their own good fortunes rather than being concerned for the rank and file. The problem is so intense among the teamsters that their incompetence has generated the Teamsters for a Democratic Union and it has even been the power behind the organization of new unions such as the APWA who was not permitted to compete with the teamsters at UPS. The unions are nothing more than corporations who are in it for the money, just as the companies who’s employees they are supposed to represent but fail to do so most of the time. In America in this year of 2009 where have all of the champions of freedom gone to.

]]> By: geri http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/labor/joe-the-plumber-to-campaign-against-employee-free-choice-act/comment-page-1/#comment-37286 geri Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:12:03 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=3803#comment-37286 Joe the Plumber--we love you here in Texas--come on down here now you hear!! This is a "right to work" state, our economy is booming--no government deficients here--we'll throw a couple of illegal aliens back across the border to make run for ya. Now the rest of you yankees stay put--we already got enough you here. Joe the Plumber–we love you here in Texas–come on down here now you hear!! This is a “right to work” state, our economy is booming–no government deficients here–we’ll throw a couple of illegal aliens back across the border to make run for ya. Now the rest of you yankees stay put–we already got enough you here.

]]> By: John Cook http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/labor/joe-the-plumber-to-campaign-against-employee-free-choice-act/comment-page-1/#comment-12192 John Cook Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:42:58 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=3803#comment-12192 weavz, To put it strong from my experiance, the Unions would not use another option. The thug organizers would force the "check card" on a worker, come to their home and use any tatic to get the worker to sign the "check card" This law would put to rest forever the secret ballot vote. weavz, To put it strong from my experiance, the Unions would not use another option. The thug organizers would force the “check card” on a worker, come to their home and use any tatic to get the worker to sign the “check card” This law would put to rest forever the secret ballot vote.

]]> By: John Cook http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/labor/joe-the-plumber-to-campaign-against-employee-free-choice-act/comment-page-1/#comment-12191 John Cook Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:36:45 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=3803#comment-12191 weavz, To answer your question about are right to a secret ballot at the Teamster Convention, The International Executive board stripped us of are right to have a secret ballot. We had no vote at all in are right to have a secret ballot vote or not. Everyone of us were elected local union officers and our local union business agents. I was the President of Local 952, and I was elected by "secret ballot" by the members of Local 952. The secret ballot vote is the right of everyone in any type of election. weavz, To answer your question about are right to a secret ballot at the Teamster Convention, The International Executive board stripped us of are right to have a secret ballot. We had no vote at all in are right to have a secret ballot vote or not. Everyone of us were elected local union officers and our local union business agents. I was the President of Local 952, and I was elected by “secret ballot” by the members of Local 952. The secret ballot vote is the right of everyone in any type of election.

]]> By: weavz http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/labor/joe-the-plumber-to-campaign-against-employee-free-choice-act/comment-page-1/#comment-12111 weavz Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:16:41 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=3803#comment-12111 Interesting observation and the first reason I have seen against this law that I would like to address. My understanding is that this law does not stop the unions from using a secret ballot but only adds another option to the voting process. How was the open ballot at the 1981 Teamster Convention introduced. Did the union members decide to vote this way or was it a surprise to the members? How did this open vote come about? Concerning the power issue. It is my understanding that the anti labor lobbies in Washington far outnumber the union efforts so I am not sure why a stronger lobby would be a negative. The unions have problems but at least make some efforts to help the average worker. My dad was a union man working for the Bethlehem Steel all his life. He had a small pension and health insurance that saw him and my mother through to there deaths. No worker has that basic security today. There is no corporate accountability and no dignity for the elderly who can no longer work. For better or worse unions are one of the only checks and balances on the workers side. Joe the plumber is not a plumber, not a union worker and does not represent the average American. Interesting observation and the first reason I have seen against this law that I would like to address. My understanding is that this law does not stop the unions from using a secret ballot but only adds another option to the voting process. How was the open ballot at the 1981 Teamster Convention introduced. Did the union members decide to vote this way or was it a surprise to the members? How did this open vote come about?
Concerning the power issue. It is my understanding that the anti labor lobbies in Washington far outnumber the union efforts so I am not sure why a stronger lobby would be a negative.
The unions have problems but at least make some efforts to help the average worker. My dad was a union man working for the Bethlehem Steel all his life. He had a small pension and health insurance that saw him and my mother through to there deaths. No worker has that basic security today. There is no corporate accountability and no dignity for the elderly who can no longer work. For better or worse unions are one of the only checks and balances on the workers side.
Joe the plumber is not a plumber, not a union worker and does not represent the average American.

]]> By: John Cook http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/labor/joe-the-plumber-to-campaign-against-employee-free-choice-act/comment-page-1/#comment-11384 John Cook Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:33:05 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=3803#comment-11384 Defeat the "check card" Employee Free Choice Act As a former Teamster Local union President I'm against the "check card" We had planned to use this in the early 1980's and decided it would not work. The reason we came to was that the lost of a secret ballot would place employee against employee and management against employee. We learned this lesson at the 1981 Teamster Convention in Las Vegas, NV. Roy Williams was running for President of the Teamsters International. When the secret ballot vote was to be taken the International Executive board did away with the secret ballot and ask everyone who did not want Roy Williams to stand up. Only a hand full stood up (I wonder why) the local Union Officers that stood up were ordered to give their names and what Local Union they were from. After this violation of the secret ballot the rest of us did not vote (the Executive board said there was no need for the rest of us to vote) and Roy Williams was crowned the President of the Teamsters International. Please note that Roy Williams was under indictment for trying to bribe a United States Senator. Several months later Roy Williams went to prison and Jack Presser of the Central conference of Teamsters became the President. My point-- If we were given our secret ballot Roy Williams would not of been elected President of the Teamsters International. Don't be fooled, this is about dues $$$ and power for the Unions that would give them a strong lobbying base in Washington. I ask everyone to contact their Senator and Congressman and ask that they defeat the "check card" Employee Free Choice Act. The secret ballot must be preserved. Defeat the “check card” Employee Free Choice Act
As a former Teamster Local union President I’m against the “check card”

We had planned to use this in the early 1980’s and decided it would not work.

The reason we came to was that the lost of a secret ballot would place employee against employee and management against employee.

We learned this lesson at the 1981 Teamster Convention in Las Vegas, NV.

Roy Williams was running for President of the Teamsters International.
When the secret ballot vote was to be taken the International Executive board did away with the secret ballot and ask everyone who did not want Roy Williams to stand up.

Only a hand full stood up (I wonder why) the local Union Officers that stood up were ordered to give their names and what Local Union they were from. After this violation of the secret ballot the rest of us did not vote (the Executive board said there was no need for the rest of us to vote) and Roy Williams was crowned the President of the Teamsters International.

Please note that Roy Williams was under indictment for trying to bribe a United States Senator.

Several months later Roy Williams went to prison and Jack Presser of the Central conference of Teamsters became the President.

My point– If we were given our secret ballot Roy Williams would not of been elected President of the Teamsters International.

Don’t be fooled, this is about dues $$$ and power for the Unions that would give them a strong lobbying base in Washington.

I ask everyone to contact their Senator and Congressman and ask that they defeat the “check card” Employee Free Choice Act.
The secret ballot must be preserved.

]]> By: salt lake plumbers http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/labor/joe-the-plumber-to-campaign-against-employee-free-choice-act/comment-page-1/#comment-7849 salt lake plumbers Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:20:20 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=3803#comment-7849 Joe the Plumber is hitting the campaign trail again! He's scheduled to do a series of events throughout Pennsylvania rallying opposition to the Employee Free Choice Act, the organizer of the events confirms. Joe the Plumber is hitting the campaign trail again! He’s scheduled to do a series of events throughout Pennsylvania rallying opposition to the Employee Free Choice Act, the organizer of the events confirms.

]]> By: Jack of the Dirty Hands http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/labor/joe-the-plumber-to-campaign-against-employee-free-choice-act/comment-page-1/#comment-7556 Jack of the Dirty Hands Sat, 28 Mar 2009 03:09:21 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=3803#comment-7556 "Joe TP is awesome. He speaks for the avg American. The free choice act is ANYTHING BUT free choice. I know a lot of union members and they want nothing to do with it. Why would they ??? America is about having a private BALOT>" Jeepers, freepers, you'd think the Chamber of Commerce could get shills that can SPELL, for all the money they're paying! “Joe TP is awesome.

He speaks for the avg American.

The free choice act is ANYTHING BUT free choice. I know a lot of union members and they want nothing to do with it.

Why would they ???

America is about having a private BALOT>”

Jeepers, freepers, you’d think the Chamber of Commerce could get shills that can SPELL, for all the money they’re paying!

]]> By: kathy http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/labor/joe-the-plumber-to-campaign-against-employee-free-choice-act/comment-page-1/#comment-7499 kathy Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:24:01 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=3803#comment-7499 Joe TP is awesome. He speaks for the avg American. The free choice act is ANYTHING BUT free choice. I know a lot of union members and they want nothing to do with it. Why would they ??? America is about having a private BALOT> Go JOE!!!!!!!!!!! Joe TP is awesome.

He speaks for the avg American.

The free choice act is ANYTHING BUT free choice. I know a lot of union members and they want nothing to do with it.

Why would they ???

America is about having a private BALOT>

Go JOE!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: Charlie http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/labor/joe-the-plumber-to-campaign-against-employee-free-choice-act/comment-page-1/#comment-7498 Charlie Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:05:58 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=3803#comment-7498 So Joe (real name Sam) the plumber (really just a helper/laborer) is going to speak out against unions? The circus (aka GOP) seems to be trying hard to see how fast they can race to the bottom. Hope the unions (specially plumbers) show up at every talk to protest this so called working man (who seems to be gallivanting around the world instead of working). No way he is the face of the common working man these days. Most of them are actually working if lucky or looking for work if hit by the GOP economy. So Joe (real name Sam) the plumber (really just a helper/laborer) is going to speak out against unions? The circus (aka GOP) seems to be trying hard to see how fast they can race to the bottom. Hope the unions (specially plumbers) show up at every talk to protest this so called working man (who seems to be gallivanting around the world instead of working). No way he is the face of the common working man these days. Most of them are actually working if lucky or looking for work if hit by the GOP economy.

]]> By: Don http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/labor/joe-the-plumber-to-campaign-against-employee-free-choice-act/comment-page-1/#comment-7490 Don Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:37:17 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=3803#comment-7490 I'd like to know more about these "rallies" he'll be addressing. Would they be the local Chamber of Commerce luncheons? I'd love to hear him try and convince actual union members that they'd be better off without the EFCA. I’d like to know more about these “rallies” he’ll be addressing. Would they be the local Chamber of Commerce luncheons? I’d love to hear him try and convince actual union members that they’d be better off without the EFCA.

]]> By: EFCANOW http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/labor/joe-the-plumber-to-campaign-against-employee-free-choice-act/comment-page-1/#comment-7441 EFCANOW Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:33:04 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=3803#comment-7441 Joe the Plumber Now is Joe the Union Buster http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2009/03/12947.php “The public loves Joe the Plumber,” the spokesperson, Mary Ellen Burke, claimed to me. “They see him as a role model.” Asked whether Joe the Plumber had any particular knowledge or expertise about EFCA that might explain the decision to enlist him, Burke said that he was being enlisted to provide a “grassroots perspective” and “the working perspective” on the measure. Joe the Plumber Now is Joe the Union Buster

http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2009/03/12947.php

“The public loves Joe the Plumber,” the spokesperson, Mary Ellen Burke, claimed to me. “They see him as a role model.”

Asked whether Joe the Plumber had any particular knowledge or expertise about EFCA that might explain the decision to enlist him, Burke said that he was being enlisted to provide a “grassroots perspective” and “the working perspective” on the measure.

]]> By: kenyg http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/labor/joe-the-plumber-to-campaign-against-employee-free-choice-act/comment-page-1/#comment-7319 kenyg Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:57:49 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=3803#comment-7319 Freeper? What you think I'm a republican? STFU. Freeper? What you think I’m a republican? STFU.

]]> By: Benton Fraser http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/labor/joe-the-plumber-to-campaign-against-employee-free-choice-act/comment-page-1/#comment-7277 Benton Fraser Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:02:58 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=3803#comment-7277 keny, isn't there a Freeper board somewhere awaiting your scintillating insights? I suggest you go regale them. DISMISSED. keny, isn’t there a Freeper board somewhere awaiting your scintillating insights? I suggest you go regale them. DISMISSED.

]]> By: mcc http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/labor/joe-the-plumber-to-campaign-against-employee-free-choice-act/comment-page-1/#comment-7260 mcc Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:12:43 +0000 http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=3803#comment-7260 So, uh Just checking What percentage of plumbers are unionized So, uh

Just checking

What percentage of plumbers are unionized

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