Susan Collins Open To Supporting Reform Proposal? Her Office Suggests Otherwise
Is Senator Susan Collins open to supporting the health care reform proposal in the Senate?
The Associated Press caused a bit of a stir in Democratic circles this morning by reporting that Collins, the other moderate GOPer from Maine, may be “open” to backing the reform bill, along with Olympia Snowe.
But Collins’ office sends over the statement that the AP story is based on, and it’s very hard to see how the AP reads it this way. If anything, the statement makes it pretty conclusive that she’ll oppose the final proposal.
The only thing remotely supportive of the proposal from Collins’ statement is that she shares the “goal of passing responsible health care reform” and hopes that after “many improvements” the bill will “achieve bipartisan support.” Anyone paying even cursory attention knows how likely that is to happen.
Meawhile, her statement runs through a whole litany of standard GOP objections to the reform proposal: It could be a small-business job killer, it threatens Medicare, and it lacks “medical liability reforms to reduce frivolous lawsuits.”
Check out the statement yourself, but it still seems clear that Snowe is the only Republican who’s going to support the reform proposal anytime soon. Happy to be wrong.
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I don’t know, Greg. It’s going to be interesting to see if the Republicans do hold out – they’re in a very precarious position at the moment. They boxed themselves in.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see some Republicans vote for a final bill, but I’m not convinced of anything either.
Tena, perhaps. But how does she support it after that statement?
Greg – I don’t know. Except that she’s a senator. That’s the only answer I have. They say one thing and do another all the time.
lol!
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/tag/cnn-audience-interaction-producer-eric-kuhn/
“The National Republican Congressional Committee has removed a tweet Tuesday that linked to a video comparing House Speaker Nancy Pelosi with Adolf Hilter.
The tweet, sent out Tuesday morning on their official Twitter account, read: “Funny Video: Moonbattery: Hitler Reacts to ObamaCare Maneuvers http://bit.ly/2mOvZ7 #Pelosi”. It comes the same day the NRCC released a petition on their site to “Fire Nancy Pelosi.””
If those votes weren’t public, boy we’d see a different Congress.
Not that I’m advocating that.
Greg..Tena..or anybody…other than those of us political junkies who blog here and elsewhere does ANYBODY else in the country really care whether Collins..or Snowe..or ANY Republican is on board.
This IS a Democratic bill..it will NEVER be truly bipartisan and the rest of the country has heard Sen Jim Demint describe exactly why…the Rethugs look at it as an opportunity to regain seats in the midterms. That the simple but sad reality. No conservative can really argue with a straight face that “Pull the plug on Grandma” Grassley or any of the Repubs have acted in good faith. It’s a complete sham and imho most Americans understand that…even those who are opposed to the bill.
Greg,
The comments feature has posting problems today. There is several minutes lag time between posting a comment, and when it finally shows up.
Also the comment number count keeps fluctuating. When it showed four on this thread, when clicked on, it displayed no comments. After refreshing it showed the count to be 2, instead of 4.
These are all the same problems, that have cropped up for the past several weeks. It looks like tech support has not solved any of them.
rukidding – Are you kidding? LOL! Damn I’m in a good mood.
I hope they all vote against it.
Greg – Liam is right – it’s really bad this morning.
Liam – you can usually tell if the comment is going to show up because when you post, it takes you back to the end of the thread and your comment is there. If you post and the page comes back with just the main article on it – not comments – your comment doesn’t show up. Then you have to reload and pray.
I don’t think we’ll get any Repubs when all is said and done because it will have some form of a PO. They have all to my knowledge drawn that line in the sand. As long as we pass the bill this will be their “Waterloo” period.
It appears as if Teabaggers are now in charge of The Republican National Congressional Committee. Check out what they tweeted yesterday.
WASHINGTON (CNN) — The National Republican Congressional Committee has removed a tweet Tuesday that linked to a video comparing House Speaker Nancy Pelosi with Adolf Hilter.
The tweet, sent out Tuesday morning on their official Twitter account, read: “Funny Video: Moonbattery: Hitler Reacts to ObamaCare Maneuvers http://bit.ly/2mOvZ7 #Pelosi”. It comes the same day the NRCC released a petition on their site to “Fire Nancy Pelosi.”
re pray. Just copy your comment before you hit the SubmitComment button – if something goes wrong you can simply re-paste the comment.
Wouldn’t want to miss out on some of your carefully crafted words of wisdom!
I have to say, the very existence of Republicans offends me. Can these people actually believe their own utter nonsense? Do decades of empirical evidence that conservatism doesn’t work have any effect? I’ve always felt that Republicans can be only two things: absolute fools or complete liars. Had Lincoln not gone off on his silly ‘preserve the Union’ stuff, most wingers would have their own backwards country to ruin, and we would be a progressive beacon. Nice going, Abe. And I’m only half kidding.
@lmsinca: “As long as we pass the bill this will be their “Waterloo” period.”
Haven’t the Repubs already hit their waterloo? They lost the Presidency, the House, and the Senate. (And a majority of governorships?) They can’t stop a Supreme Court nominee, they can’t stop legislation. How much worse could it get? They already survived being cast into the wilderness when the Democrats ruled the House for 40 years…You’ve already won the battles and the war!
@Tena,
On the open thread I posted a comment, and it did not show up. I refreshed several times, and even went on to post a comment on a different thread, to point out about how Republicans came up with the Nuclear Option to stifle dissent.
I then went back to the open thread. My comment still had not posted, even after refreshing again. So I posted it again, with a slight modification, to avoid the; all ready posted notice.
That post showed up immediately, and so the previous missing one, that had not shown up for many minutes.The system is a dysfunctional mess.
Liam, Tena, others, arrgh, sorry about that. I’ll alert tech people. Thanks for your patience.
“Haven’t the Repubs already hit their waterloo? They lost the Presidency, the House, and the Senate. ”
Yes!
Liam – it doesn’t always do that – you’re right.
Greg – it’s not your fault – it’s the commenting program. I’ve never met one that really worked right.
sbj and Tena
“Waterloo” going forward into infinity and beyond.
Well if the Dems control the House for the next 40 years then I’m sure they’ll fix everything and we’ll be living in wonderland – just like they did the last time they controlled it for 40 years.
Water-Loo, as in Flush Toilet.
You have to flush several times to sink all the remaining Republican Floaters.
Susan Collins is a joke. What else is new?
The Dow is 20 points off 10,000. That’s what else is new.
““Waterloo” going forward into infinity and beyond.”
I was just saying that below. The Republicans are the ones who pulled the country to the right, while insisting it was naturally that kind of country. No it’s not. Reagan struck a chord, but if we hadn’t been diddling around we could have won the next election instead of Bush I, but look who we ran. This is not a rightwing country. Americans believe in our rights and our constitution even though they don’t all understand it. Most understand enough to know what it is about America that is special.
There is nothing special about a conservative country -that’s just a problem for the world. What makes us special is how liberal our government is fundamentally and we like it – or at least a majority of us do.
Why’d we go to war in Iraq again?
The 10 undeveloped fields up for bid in December contain an estimated 41 billion barrels of oil, worth about $3 trillion at today’s prices, according to the United States Department of Energy. But there are growing concerns that international oil companies may be losing interest in Iraq. [...]
Oil companies have cooled in their excitement about Iraq, which was described as a last frontier after the American-led invasion in 2003. They have been diverted in part by the discovery of significant reserves, totaling around 10 billion barrels, in the rest of the world during the first six months of 2009.
The problems in Iraq’s petroleum sector are illuminated perhaps most vividly in data related to the country’s oil output, which has stalled at about 2.5 million barrels a day and has yet to match prewar levels.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/14/world/middleeast/14iraqoil.html
Forty years of Democratic Rule.
Dug us out of Hoover’s Depression, which ruined the country, and created a 25% unemployment level, and massive national poverty.
FDR defeated two empires, from his wheel chair, in half the time that it took Bush2 to make a complete mess of two far smaller wars, which he started.
GI Bill raised millions of people from poverty, and allowed them to go to college.
Civil Rights legislation that lifted the yoke of oppression from millions of American Citizens.
Social Security program which has rescued the nation’s elderly from destitution, and Medicare, which has allowed them to obtain good Health Care.
Equal Pay for Women.
Reproductive Rights for Women.
Food and Health programs for Children.
And on and on.
Compared to the Republicans’ record; yes indeed, those years of Democratic dominance were indeed an era of enlightenment, and great social progress.
Perhaps you omit some of the lowlights?
@sbj…”Well if the Dems control the House for the next 40 years then I’m sure they’ll fix everything and we’ll be living in wonderland – just like they did the last time they controlled it for 40 years.”
I know you’ve stated previously you’re a liberterian and so I’m not sure where you go next…to Ron Paul I guess…but I suspect as a fiscal conservative you are like a lot of folks who are not necessarily conservative idealogues who love Beck/Hannity/limbaugh et al…but where do YOU plan to turn?
As far as the “wonderland” the Democrats gave us with their 40 years…honestly sbj thinnk back an virutally every advance this society has made in the past 100 or so years and you’ll find a Democrat pushing it…Would you really like to go back to the days when kids were working in NYC sweatshops…Seniors had no healthcare…can you imagine what our country would look like now if we had listen to Reagan’s dire warnings about Medicare…we’d have millions of seniors suffering without health care…there is NO WAY they would have been able to afford it.
I do get you sbj because in my youth I too was a liberterian. I bolted for two reasons…first came pragmatism…unemploy enough people…shift enough of the nation’s wealth to the top 1% and you end up with a genuine revolution in the streets which places all of us..liberterians/Dems/repubs in the proverbial shi&t&r. Then came compassion…call me all the names reserved by the right for progressives but at some point we have to decide what kind of nation we really wish to live. Tossing aside any semblance of modesty I can tell you as a National Merit Finalist I have never had a problem competing…but I know realize work and effort is only part of it…gifts from the Great Antelope God don’t give me the right to look down on the intellectually inferior. In other words sbj do you ever have moral qualms about living in a country where there are people working two and even more jobs and cannot earn a decent living..or even have healthcare simply because the Great Antelope God didn’t bless them like he hss you and me. Of course in the late 1800’s the answer from the wealthy would have been…YES we deserve all this wealth and these blessings because God loves us more.
“As far as the “wonderland” the Democrats gave us with their 40 years…honestly sbj thinnk back an virutally every advance this society has made in the past 100 or so years and you’ll find a Democrat pushing it…Would you really like to go back to the days when kids were working in NYC sweatshops…Seniors had no healthcare…can you imagine what our country would look like now if we had listen to Reagan’s dire warnings about Medicare…we’d have millions of seniors suffering without health care…there is NO WAY they would have been able to afford it.”
Word up.
Sbj – let’s see some Republican/Libertarian accomplishments.
@Liam…thanks for a small catalogue of what I was trying to point out..you covered far more than me.
@SBJ..yes the Dems have made plenty of mistakes…currently as you know I’m about to get really peoed at Obama if he caves to the Generals and keeps sending more troops to Afghanistan. Remember at the time Johnson finally decided to pull the plug on Vietnam and not run for reelection..there were 500,000 troops in Vietnam..and after TET Westmoreland came back with a request for an additional 125,000 which thankfully was ignored…this is sooooo deja vu!!!!
But I think the problem with most of these debate is that they take place at the extremes. I am not a socialist…but I am not blindly free enterprise. I believe experience has shown that a mixture of the two is actually best. Calling each other “Capitalist Pigs” or “Commie Socialists”..making fun of the Europeans and others does not serve to advance the real debate…which again imho should be about the proper mix…how much government do we want…how much warfare..how much suffering do wish to allow in our country.
I will remind sbj that before social security, which is a Democratic idea and a liberal one, 90% of seniors lived below the poverty line.
What do Republicans have to show for their times in office? Well – Nixon has a liberal policy – the EPA, and rapprochment with China – also liberal, because the right would love to bomb everybody, not talk to them. At least the right as it exists today.
What else do they have to show besides wars and deficits? How people got the idea that the Republicans are conservative fiscally I don’t know – they always leave office with a record high deficit.
# sbj | October 14th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Perhaps you omit some of the lowlights?
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Yes indeed. You are correct.
Lowlights;
Eight years of stagnation under Republican Presidency of Eisenhower.
Republican terror campaign led by Republican Senator Joseph McCarthy.
Republican President Richard Nixon’s Watergate crime spree and subsequently ousted from office.
Nixon’s VP, Spiro Agnew, forced to resign, and plea bargain, after he had bribes, including canned goods, delivered to his VP home in Washington.
Sorry for having omitted those low lights, from the Forty year period of Democratic enlightenment. My apologies to you for the oversight.
Thanks rukidding, Liam and Tena for picking up my “infinity and beyond” ball and rolling it. I’m really busy today so don’t have time to post much so just wanted to give you a heads up.
BTW, there’s still room for compromise so the left doesn’t go too far afield, just can’t find any willing partners. I guess the only two I see now are Snowe on Health Care, although I hope she doesn’t end up with too much influence, and Lindsay Graham on Climate Change, and he’s getting battered by the Tea Baggers for his efforts.
@rukidding: I’m not sure how to respond to you some of the time because it appears that you are having your discussion with someone else.
“I am not a socialist…but I am not blindly free enterprise.”
Either am I?
“Calling each other “Capitalist Pigs” or “Commie Socialists”..making fun of the Europeans and others does not serve to advance the real debate”
Don’t believe I’ve done any of this? In fact, I am usual the “victim” here – often being called … what was it? … oh yeah, a selfish self absorbed prick.
“How much government do we want…how much warfare..how much suffering do wish to allow in our country.”
Agreed – that’s what I typically discuss. For instance, I would like to see every person in our country have access to health care. I do not want my taxes raised to support those who are here illegally. I do not think the only solution is a robust public option. I do not like the current bills for a variety of reasons – not the least of which is that they do not provide for universal coverage!
At least you are willing to admit that the Dems have made plenty of mistakes, unlike tena and liam, apparently.
I take hearty offense at the sly implication that I lack compassion. I think we largely share the same goals – for instance, I’d like to see less war – but I think we differ on the means.
“BTW, there’s still room for compromise so the left doesn’t go too far afield, just can’t find any willing partners”
Well you know, it’s interesting, but Obama seems determined to keep the left from going too far afield. And any political party or movement is primed to go too far without opposition. Hell that’s what happened to the Republicans.
“At least you are willing to admit that the Dems have made plenty of mistakes, unlike tena and liam, apparently.”
Dude, do you really want me to sit here and write a frakking book for you? That is what you are always implying.
It would take all day to go through 40 years of Democratic majority.
A Compassionate Libertarian is An Oxymoron.
A Rush Limbaugh is An OxycontinMoron.
“Do you really want me to sit here and write a frakking book for you?”
No, but a little objectivity wouldn’t harm the discussion.
Word!
And Liam proves his “compassion” for those who have addiction issues!
“And Liam proves his “compassion” for those who have addiction issues!”
O come the frak on! Rush Limbaugh doesn’t deserve compassion. He never shows any toward anyone else with a problem.
That was one of the stupidest comments you ever posted.
A new poll of Maine voters from the Pan Atlantic SMS Group, which regularly surveys the state, offers a glimpse at the home state pressure on Olympia Snowe — and Susan Collins — to break with her party and back health care legislation, and suggests that they would be rewarded at home for backing a public option.
The survey finds that 58% of Mainers approve of how President Obama is doing his job, and that a plurality of 46% back his plans for health care.
A twenty-point majority favor a public option…..
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1009/Maine_polls_shows_support_for_Obama_plan_public_option.html?showall
So, according to tena, only “liberal” addicts deserve compassion. Never mind the millions of dollars that Rush has donated to worthy charities himself (Thanks, Harry!)
Here’s a little poll from Maine that illustrates the predicament of Snowe and Collins. 54% approve a PO and over 70% approve strong regulation of insurance industry.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1009/Maine_polls_shows_support_for_Obama_plan_public_option.html?showall
stupid boring jerk, you can fight for Rush if you want. Is that what you want?
You beat me Ethan.
jinx
C’mon now, it’s not “stupid boring jerk” – it’s “selfish self absorbed prick.”
I have much compassion for those who suffer from addictions of many sorts. I try not to make fun of it. That’s all. I’m not here to defend Rush. I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy in a liberal Democrat who wants government to act more compassionately and yet seems to lack compassion himself.
My compassion is not extended only to liberals just as my empathy does not apply only to oppressed minority groups.
stupid boring jerk, how bout TRYING not to be a cynical brainwashed moron?
We were asked, just a couple of days ago, to list the names of some Republicans that we find acceptable. I listed several.
SBJ was asked to list the names of some Democrats. He did not even offer one name.
He is a complete hypocrite, and is just trying to con people, with his BS about how he seeks accommodation, and mutual understanding.
I listed several prominent Republican office holders that I had respect for. He could not come up with even one Democrat, that he was willing to say that he respected, even though I had a far smaller pool of names to pick from. In fact, SBJ did the exact opposite. He tried to disparage the people that I listed.
I mentioned people such as Senator Hatch, and Senator Graham, and this SBJ fraud, who did not name one Democrat, claimed that I listed those names because they agreed with Democrats.
Think about that for a moment. First of all, those people rarely do, and and secondly, in SBJ’s opionion, that invalidates them as Republicans that Democrats are allowed to say that they respect.
Yes,SBJ really does want to be inclusive. Sure he does, My Arse!
Here’s a good article supporting our ability to criticize Obama from the left and why it might be a good thing. This raises my awareness of the importance of Hamsher, Greenwald, etc., although it’s a bit self-serving on Greenwald’s part.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/10/14/criticism/
Its pathetic of course for the RNCC to reference that Hitler video in an official Twitter account, but I highly recommend watching a few of them-I think they’re funny as hell! Whoever does them has got a devious sense of humor.
“So, according to tena, only “liberal” addicts deserve compassion. Never mind the millions of dollars that Rush has donated to worthy charities himself (Thanks, Harry!)”
If you want to defend Rush Limbaugh, go right ahead.
You are going to be one lonely dittohead around here. No he doesn’t deserve any in my opinion. What does Rush have to complain about? He got caught trafficking in illegal drugs and didn’t see so much as 10 seconds inside a jail cell.
Please. You want to be in Rush’s side – talk to the black players in the NFL about it.
I haven’t watched the Twitter link (don’t get the whole Twitter thing at all) but have to say, as Chuck’s comment suggests, there is a context. There are a ton of those Hitler parodies on youtube on all kinds of topics, and a lot of them are truly hilarious. Lots of good sports ones, no matter your leaning, a hilarious Kanye/MTV one, an Xbox one. Hitler defends Pete Carrol is pretty funny.
I think you all have your panties in a twist over nothing.
On your other comments here, y’ll remain nuts.
“In fact, SBJ did the exact opposite. He tried to disparage the people that I listed. I mentioned people such as Senator Hatch, and Senator Graham, and this SBJ fraud, who did not name one Democrat, claimed that I listed those names because they agreed with Democrats.”
If you can back that up with a link or quote of mine I will send you $100.
Here is my response to rukidding about the topic to which Liam refers: “You seem to be attracted to Republicans that conservatives such as myself would regularly disagree with: Will, Brooks, young Buckley, Powell, Chaffee – yeeeech! I do enjoy Hitchens although he probably only scores a 50% agreement rating. Paul is a bit more intelligent that I ever thought he was based on his supporters alone.”
This was a response to rukidding that came before Liam’s reply with the names of Hatch and Graham, and you’ll note I do not mention Hatch or Graham.
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/political-media/holiday-open-thread-white-house-talking-points-rip-insurance-industry-study/#comment-91346
The whole trail is there in black and white for anyone to see. I know that virtually no one cares but Liam, you might want to review and admit that your comment above is one big fat lie.
BTW, Liam, we weren’t discussing party members we “respect,” we were discussing visionary intellectuals – the politicians coming up with ideas.
“He got caught trafficking in illegal drugs and didn’t see so much as 10 seconds inside a jail cell.”
That is a lie, Tena.
Quarterback, Hitler parodies can be funny, admitted. But not in the realm of politics. It’s too important. When your ridiculous loser party posts ‘Chairman Zero’ and ‘Comrade’ (those darn Nazis and their ‘comrade’ stuff), it’s WAY over the line. Remember the MoveOn video contest entry that the organization instantly renounced and removed, yet society as we know it came to an end, according to the GOP? That was a minor blip no one even saw. THIS was a (formerly relevant) political party doing it.
QB: Carrying ten pounds of Viagra in a suitcase overseas is illegal. He had enough left over after his *** tour of the Dominican to sell the stuff.
““He got caught trafficking in illegal drugs and didn’t see so much as 10 seconds inside a jail cell.”
That is a lie, Tena.”
In exactly what way is that a lie?
“THIS was a (formerly relevant) political party doing it.”
You’ll never get them to admit that and that is the crux of their problem. They refuse reality totally and insist on living in their own fantasy world where it’s all about how evil liberals are and how we’ve only temporarily got them on the run.
Yeah. Until the Republicans face up to reality and deal with it in real terms, they are doomed.
# sbj | October 14th, 2009 at 01:09 pm
“In fact, SBJ did the exact opposite. He tried to disparage the people that I listed. I mentioned people such as Senator Hatch, and Senator Graham, and this SBJ fraud, who did not name one Democrat, claimed that I listed those names because they agreed with Democrats.”
If you can back that up with a link or quote of mine I will send you $100.
Here is my response to rukidding about the topic to which Liam refers: “You seem to be attracted to Republicans that conservatives such as myself would regularly disagree with: Will, Brooks, young Buckley, Powell, Chaffee – yeeeech! I do enjoy Hitchens although he probably only scores a 50% agreement rating. Paul is a bit more intelligent that I ever thought he was based on his supporters alone.”
This was a response to rukidding that came before Liam’s reply with the names of Hatch and Graham, and you’ll note I do not mention Hatch or Graham.
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/political-media/holiday-open-thread-white-house-talking-points-rip-insurance-industry-study/#comment-91346
The whole trail is there in black and white for anyone to see. I know that virtually no one cares but Liam, you might want to review and admit that your comment above is one big fat lie.
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# Liam | October 12th, 2009 at 04:39 pm
@Rukidding
“Help Liam, SgtWhite, Tena, Imsinca…who are REpubs that progressives respect even thought disagreeing with them.”
I can not speak for all progressives, but I personally respect Senator Luger, and Senator Snowe. Congressman Jones shows that he is capable of self reflection, and of taking a second look. He was the Rep who came up with the Freedom Fries nonsense, but later on he changed his mind about the merits of the Iraq occupation.
I can abide Senator Hatch for the most part. Of course we do not agree politically, on very much, but he strikes me as being a descent sort of guy. It is harder to come up with more names, these days, since almost all moderates have been driven out of the Republican party, and it is reduced to just a rump regional party, for the most part. I have not been able to think of one Southern Republican, now in office, that I can feel a lot of respect for, other than Congressman Walter Jones. If someone comes to mind, I will post it. Lindsey Graham is probably the one, that I see occasional glimmers of accommodation from. He did vote for Justice Sotomayor, so I give him props on that.
As I was typing, Senator Voinovich just came to mind, as someone who occasionally has shown a spark of independence.
I hope that helps you.
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# sbj | October 12th, 2009 at 05:16 pm
“Sheesh sbj, no one has ever called me an intellecutal snob before (not your term?)”
It’s simple shorthand for thoughtful well read folks such as Matt Yglesias or WFB who spend valuable time researching scholarly studies. I don’t have the inclination. I did not mean disrespect.
I agree with QB: “More often than not both sides’ respect is directly proportional to the extent of agreement.” Liam’s post is a perfect example.
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SBJ,
Pay particular attention to the time I posted my comment and listed those names.
Now look at the time that you posted the above comment. It followed mine, and you said:
“I agree with QB: “More often than not both sides’ respect is directly proportional to the extent of agreement.” Liam’s post is a perfect example.”
I rest my case. You are a fraud and a liar. I have just exposed you once again.
This is getting pretty funny, Liam – but I take mercy on you (and the rest of this blog’s readership).
Sorry to waste others’ time…
“In exactly what way is that a lie?”
1. Oxycontin isn’t an illegal drug.
2. He wasn’t involved in trafficking.
Other than that, you were spot on!
“QB: Carrying ten pounds of Viagra in a suitcase overseas is illegal. He had enough left over after his *** tour of the Dominican to sell the stuff.”
Ten pounds of Viagra, huh? Gay tour, huh? And your proof of this tale is?
sbj,
You are arguing with a five year old. That’s what they consider logic.
# Nick | October 14th, 2009 at 01:22 pm
QB: Carrying ten pounds of Viagra in a suitcase overseas is illegal. He had enough left over after his *** tour of the Dominican to sell the stuff.
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Don’t overlook the point that he was also using another person’s subscription to get that Viagra. Recall that part of the news. The Prescription that Rush was using, was not in his name.
@qb: My head started to hurt – I had to stop.
# sbj | October 14th, 2009 at 01:53 pm
This is getting pretty funny, Liam – but I take mercy on you (and the rest of this blog’s readership).
Sorry to waste others’ time…
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I prove that you did say it, and you know try to duck it.
I expected nothing more from you. I provided the proof that you demanded, and claimed did not exist, so now you try to laugh it off.
By the way. I do not want your money.
I am satisfied to have just exposed you for the fraud that you are.
Yes getting pretty fun alright, when I call the lying weasel’s bluff, and provide the documentation that he requested.
Again:
# sbj | October 14th, 2009 at 01:09 pm
“In fact, SBJ did the exact opposite. He tried to disparage the people that I listed. I mentioned people such as Senator Hatch, and Senator Graham, and this SBJ fraud, who did not name one Democrat, claimed that I listed those names because they agreed with Democrats.”
If you can back that up with a link or quote of mine I will send you $100.
Here is my response to rukidding about the topic to which Liam refers: “You seem to be attracted to Republicans that conservatives such as myself would regularly disagree with: Will, Brooks, young Buckley, Powell, Chaffee – yeeeech! I do enjoy Hitchens although he probably only scores a 50% agreement rating. Paul is a bit more intelligent that I ever thought he was based on his supporters alone.”
This was a response to rukidding that came before Liam’s reply with the names of Hatch and Graham, and you’ll note I do not mention Hatch or Graham.
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/political-media/holiday-open-thread-white-house-talking-points-rip-insurance-industry-study/#comment-91346
The whole trail is there in black and white for anyone to see. I know that virtually no one cares but Liam, you might want to review and admit that your comment above is one big fat lie.
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# Liam | October 12th, 2009 at 04:39 pm
@Rukidding
“Help Liam, SgtWhite, Tena, Imsinca…who are REpubs that progressives respect even thought disagreeing with them.”
I can not speak for all progressives, but I personally respect Senator Luger, and Senator Snowe. Congressman Jones shows that he is capable of self reflection, and of taking a second look. He was the Rep who came up with the Freedom Fries nonsense, but later on he changed his mind about the merits of the Iraq occupation.
I can abide Senator Hatch for the most part. Of course we do not agree politically, on very much, but he strikes me as being a descent sort of guy. It is harder to come up with more names, these days, since almost all moderates have been driven out of the Republican party, and it is reduced to just a rump regional party, for the most part. I have not been able to think of one Southern Republican, now in office, that I can feel a lot of respect for, other than Congressman Walter Jones. If someone comes to mind, I will post it. Lindsey Graham is probably the one, that I see occasional glimmers of accommodation from. He did vote for Justice Sotomayor, so I give him props on that.
As I was typing, Senator Voinovich just came to mind, as someone who occasionally has shown a spark of independence.
I hope that helps you.
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# sbj | October 12th, 2009 at 05:16 pm
“Sheesh sbj, no one has ever called me an intellecutal snob before (not your term?)”
It’s simple shorthand for thoughtful well read folks such as Matt Yglesias or WFB who spend valuable time researching scholarly studies. I don’t have the inclination. I did not mean disrespect.
I agree with QB: “More often than not both sides’ respect is directly proportional to the extent of agreement.” Liam’s post is a perfect example.
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SBJ,
Pay particular attention to the time I posted my comment and listed those names.
Now look at the time that you posted the above comment. It followed mine, and you said:
“I agree with QB: “More often than not both sides’ respect is directly proportional to the extent of agreement.” Liam’s post is a perfect example.”
I rest my case. You are a fraud and a liar. I have just exposed you once again.
@sbj…I am one of the few progressive who has tried to defend you….not insinuating you can’t defend yourself I know you can sometimes be touchy…but if you are in anyway trying to defend Rush…you’ve lost me my friend and forget any contributions to your church of the Antelope God.
I must confess I cringe when anyone refers to anybody else as a prick..or whatever…however sbj I’m afraid Liam has you on the ideas now.
Christians love that bumper sticker “forgiven but not perfect.” I’m not sure about forgiveness but I am sure I’m not perfect,and can sometimes be guilty of hypocrisy. I cringe whenever progressives lower themselves to personal ad hominem attacks…but again IMHO this is very frequently a reaction to the HATEfest that goes on from the right.
On “Morning Joe”this morning Donnie Deutch in response to that pathetically egotistical statement from Rush about “spawning” Glen Beck used a term…Hate radio…I truly believe that is an appropriate term for what is called “talk” radio. And so I find it very difficult not to return that hate in kind. It is a daily challenge. Is it wrong for Olbermann to joke about a meglomaniac…with a funny to most of us…obviously the vast majority of us on this blog..that bragging about “spawning” Glen Beck is like bragging about spreading syphilis. Not a nice thing to say…but as Tena has already stated…I and others would have to be Mother Teresa NOT to enjoy every bit of karma that finally returns to the fat drug addict. Factually speaking he is a pompous, self delusional, arrogant plague on our nation and an obvious traitor. And when I say factually I mean those descriptors specifically and challenge you to deconstruct which of those adjectives do not fit the man who is arguably the most obnoxious man in America. And no sbj I don’t believe that is hyperbole.
Now we have a “radical” President who attempted to land the Olympic Games for the United States…OMG how awful…who won the Nobel Peace prize..a President who is trying to repair a disastrous health care system by any metric…a REAL RADICAL…
The person identifying this “radical” for us..the daughter of a “patriotic” VP Liz Cheney.
Let’s examine a definition and see where Liz’s old man REALLY fits on the spectrum. He’s certainly no radical..
fas·cism (fshzm)
n.
a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator(what did Cheney EVER do to protect the constitution..what did he do to violate it? Really sbj..EVEN you can see this).., stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism
This is sbj’f fight, but really.
“I cringe whenever progressives lower themselves to personal ad hominem attacks…”
Ad hominem is just about all you do, ruk, including that entire post. How pathetic.
“Factually speaking he is a pompous, self delusional, arrogant plague on our nation and an obvious traitor. And when I say factually I mean those descriptors specifically and challenge you to deconstruct which of those adjectives do not fit the man who is arguably the most obnoxious man in America. And no sbj I don’t believe that is hyperbole.”
Wasn’t I just saying the other day you don’t know the difference between fact and opinion? Here you have excreted another line of pure ad hominem and declared it fact. How ridiculous can you get? It is no one’s job to “deconstruct” your fevered states of hatred and the baseless insults and calumnies in which they are expressed.
If you are incapable of rereading your own post and recognizing how preposterous it is in terms of rational thought, logic, and even coherence, you are beyond hope.
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