Senate Aides To House Dems: Back Off
Okay, I’ve got a bit more for you on what’s going on in discussions between the Senate and House on how to proceed with health care, and it helps explain the hold-up.
The latest: Senior Senate aides say they’ve hit an impasse over one of the proposed routes forward — the scenario where the Senate would pass a reconciliation “sidecar” fix to the Senate bill first, making it easier for the House to then follow up and pass the Senate bill.
Senate aides say that they’re not sure this possibility — one of several floated by Dem leaders, and one preferred by some House Dems — is procedurally workable. And they say figuring out whether that’s feasible is what’s causing the delay.
“Neither the House nor the Senate have figured out how to pass a reconciliation sidecar first,” one senior Senate aide says. “We are being asked to pass a piece of legislation that amends another piece of legislation which does not exist yet. We are having problems with the CBO and parliamentarian on that front.”
What’s more, Senate aides are irked by public demands by some House Dems that they step up the pace. House Democrats are signaling that they’ll try to pass the bill if they get that reconciliation fix. But some of them are criticizing the Senate side for not making it clear fast enough what the Senate is prepared to do.
That isn’t sitting well with senior Senate aides. “We’re frustrated with the arm-chair quarterbacks over there,” the Senate aide says. “This is difficult and time-consuming.”
Even if passing the “sidecar” first proves unworkable, it’s also possible that the House could pass the Senate bill, followed rapidly by a mandatory reconciliation fix. The Senate side insists that it’s making a serious effort to figure out what’s possible, and is pleading for patience as Senate aides hack their way through grueling procedural thickets. Bottom line: This process is going to take longer than anyone wants, and will be marred by plenty of finger-pointing. So get ready for a long slog.
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Extend the Bush Tax Cuts…
…GROW THE DEFICIT BY $3.2 TRILLION!!!
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2010/01/27/us/politics/27budget-graphic.html
Fiscal responsibility = Democrats
Deficit/Debt = Republicans
That’s all there is to it.
LOL, you are hilarious, ruk. You think Keith Ubermoron is a reliable source of information, and you fly into a foaming rage at the mention of the news network trusted by more of the public than any other.
I’ve seen you liberals make your case against Fox, and it falls apart every time. Sorry you are out of step. More people think your sources are untrustworthy than think Fox is.
Attilahunnybunny, are you fiscally responsible? Do you want to grow the deficit by $3.2 TRILLION?
If the situation in Mass is so bad, why is everyone so happy with their healthcare?
TPM just doesn’t get the same high quality trolls as Plum Line does. . .
and for those whinning about Fox being the most trusted network. Ratings from last night Libtards:
FOXNEWS O’REILLY 3,581,000
FOXNEWS BECK 3,196,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 3,133,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 2,624,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 2,415,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 2,187,000
CNNHN GRACE 914,000
CNN BEHAR 949,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 818,000
CNN KING 796,000
MSNBC MADDOW 726,000
Whoa, hit a bad key at 5:44. 2nd try:
“…you actually do not want us to pass the bill at all because the GOP knows that it will cement our position with voters as being for the Middle Class…”
Tena, a question in good faith:
How will the above (HCR) work to help the middle class and to secure middle class voters for the Democratic Party?
Ct Voter…thanks for the link…as a former broadcast journalist this is the reason I’m glad I’m old and got out of the business soon enough…here is REALLY what is driving ALL OF THIS…from your link..
“But the media landscape has really changed and now they’re turning more toward the outlets that tell them what they want to hear.”
People are frightened by the truth!!!
As Mr T said to me the other day: I pity the fools who watch Fox!
Then we fought some crime.
Yeah, Mass residents HATE their healthcare.
“Two years after the implementation of a health care reform law aimed at providing health coverage for nearly all Massachusetts residents, public support for the law remains high. According to a new poll by the Harvard School of Public Health and the Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts Foundation, over two-thirds (69%) of Massachusetts residents support the law. Just over one in five (22%) oppose the law and approximately one in ten (9%) say they do not know enough about it to give an opinion. Since the law’s passage in 2006, public support has increased slightly (69% in 2008 compared to 67% in 2007 and 61% in 2006). ”
Another narrative bites the dust.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/2008-releases/hsph-bcbs-poll-strong-support-for-ma-health-reform-law.html
Q.B…for the last time before I simply toss you into the pantheon of Fox cowards who can’t face the truth.
Explain these polls to me..from such a wide variety of sources…across time spans..including even Physicians Assns…do you have the cojones to even try to discuss this?
http://www.wpasinglepayer.org/PollResults.html
I don’t have enough time or space to document all the times Fox used FALSE pictures and video…MADE UP numbers for rally attendance..we’d be here all night…
Sure, that’s credible. Look, I don’t care what you think about Fox. Do I care what you think about anything? I just wanted you to be aware you represent a small segment of the public — in your case, an infinitessimal one.
“Then we fought some crime.”
{{{swoon}}}
I think I have a crush on you, BG – LOL
Scott Brown ran is whole campaign on the being the 41st senator. Do you have any understanding what that meant? Healthcare DOA.
“How will the above (HCR) work to help the middle class and to secure middle class voters for the Democratic Party?”
Jeez, boy, that’s a tough one = maybe the same damn way that Social Security did. Because it will make a difference, ultimately. Just like Social Security has.
I’m disgusted that anyone thinks what John Edwards did in the sack with anyone is their business. Same old Clenis haters, different week.
All, happy hour roundup posted:
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/political-media/happy-hour-roundup-152/
Let the trolls have their I heart Scott Brown moment.
If the stupid congress can get this damn bill passed and then people can begin to see that it is good, like all the other social programs that people have mentioned, then it will get sorted out.
Dogs bark because they’re dogs.
“I’m disgusted that anyone thinks what John Edwards did in the sack with anyone is their business. Same old Clenis haters, different week.”
I disagree – they are the ones who made it into a public issue by their actual knowing and intentional negligence in running for the presidency while this was very much alive and well.
Sorry – that’s just too damn bad for them. If he had withdrawn, I would agree with you.
He knew, she knew, they both got what they asked for.
“an infinitessimal one.” Q.B. are you talking about Attila’s rating post for O’Reilly’s show…which means O’Reailly draws 1/5 of American Idol less than 1/15 of the NFC FOOTBALL Championship game and roughly 1% of America’s population.
Is that what you mean when you say infinitesimal?
“Dogs bark because they’re dogs.”
BG you are such a clear thinker…I love your posts.
May I add that they lick themselves because they can.
CT — great link btw — the DOCTORS in MA must HATE their version of HCR, right?
A study published in today’s New England Journal of Medicine finds that a large majority (70 percent) of practicing physicians in Massachusetts support health reform three years after its passage in 2006.
[...]
The poll found similar levels of support among primary care doctors and specialists. When asked about the law’s future, 75 percent of physicians say they want to continue the policies – 46 percent with some changes and 29 percent as is. When asked what changes they would like to see, physicians most often mentioned issues related to covering more of the uninsured and better controlling costs. Only 13 percent of physicians in the state oppose the health reforms created through the legislation, and just 7 percent believe the policies should be repealed.
“There appears to be broad support among physicians in Massachusetts for the reforms that led to almost all state residents having health coverage,” said Robert Blendon, Sc.D., one of the study’s authors and professor of health policy and political analysis at HSPH. “The findings suggest that it is possible to provide near-universal coverage of the population and have a resulting system that most physicians believe improves care for the uninsured without undermining their ability to provide care to their patients.”
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/2009-releases/three-fourths-of-mass-physicians-health-reform-law.html
Another theory shot to sh*t……
@Tena:
Anyone see the Robot Chicken episode where Mr. T rousted out the Foo Fighters and made them go with him to fight foo’s? It didn’t work out well very though. You had to kind of pity the Foo Fighters.
BG – just like we had our NJ moment and our VA moment..Kennedy had that seat for 47 years. Brown won by 5. That’s an epic landslide. Nothing to see hear folks. Move on. Your cluelessness is unrivaled.
Nothing to see hear folks.
I think you meant: Nothing two sea hear.
Ethan–thanks for that info.
Funny. No more comments about how ****** the Mass HCR is.
Q.B…for the last time before I simply toss you into the pantheon of Fox cowards who can’t face the truth.
Right, you’ll “toss” me somewhere. What gives you the idea that I am responsible for answering your questions and giving you explanations, particularly when you are so smart and I am a “moron” and “illiterate” Fox News drone?
But I’ll help you out here a little.
I have no idea what is behind all the polls in the compilation you linked. What I do know is that polling and public opinion are complex, malleable, and fickle. How would we explain the poll that showed that large majorities both approved Obama’s handling of the underwear bomber and also believed he should have been treated as a terrorist and interrogated rather than Mirandized and tried in civlian court? Many people are poorly informed and/or conflicted.
What is inexplicable in this case, however, is how it could possibly be that (1) large majorities of the public could support nationalized/socialized health care, (2) Democrats have a popular President and supermajorities elected on promises of HCR, and yet (3) they cannot pass HCR, water it down, still lose the battle for public opinion, lose Kennedy’s seat, etc. It is really you who should be explaining.
Seems to me that you probably shouldn’t take those polls at face value as representing what people are actually in favor of accepting as reality rather than in a hypothetical question evoking images of unicorns and sunbeams and free cotton candy for everyone. The reality of nationalized health care becomes somewhat more problematic and offputting as it approaches reality and the ugly details come into view.
That’s as good an explanation as I can offer you. Hope you are happy with it.
Yes, you beat Martha Coakley and Creigh Deeds and the most unpopular jerkoff NJ gov in years.
I agree, if the Dems keep running these losers, it’s not going to go well. But you lot still can’t govern and so soon people will throw your boyfriends out of those seats/positions.
Being a stupid voter, I can only say that the dems are doing one heck of a job of representing me.
hmmm..seriously you’re talking about governing? Our campaigner in Chief’s 2 biggest priorities are healthcare and cap and trade. Dead and Dead.
Is that what you mean when you say infinitesimal?
No, I mean that the polls tend to show that liberals are a smaller minority than conservatives, but, in your case in particular, you are not just a liberal but a rabid, raving leftist loon who apparently likes to vent on Plumline after after a few beers or gin and tonics.
That’s just my opinion.
I kind of figured that “there is no rush” really meant “this isn’t as easy as some people seem to think it is” when Harry Reid made that odd comment earlier. But I guess I didn’t get that the House wanted the Senate to pass the reconciliation sidecar bill first. That just sounds silly on the face of it. And isn’t a bill that involves spending money supposed to originate in the House anyway? I’m pretty sure I remember that from high school civics class.
They (the House) should really quit ******** around and pass the damned bill. Most of it doesn’t kick in for a couple of years anyway. Surely they can sort all this stuff out between now and then.
I love the bad word filter on this blog. It’s so oversensitive it makes me sound saltier than I really am sometimes. Yeah baby!
Tena@5:54: “Jeez, boy, that’s a tough one…”
OK, but as to the question:
GOP has won countless national elections since SS was begun and also since SS was profoundly extended by Great Society. So HRC passage does not assure Dem majorities.
HRC will make the unfunded obligations of SS look like a 99cent Happy Meal.
Given above who will pay for HRC? If you taxed the top 10% of earners 100% of their income, it would not come close to paying for even a meager portion of outlays for HRC.
Who will pay will be the middle “who” class, and there is no evidence their care will improve.
Smoothing out these kinds of ruffled feathers would be a good job for like, a president though. Wouldn’t you think?
“GOP has won countless national elections since SS was begun and also since SS was profoundly extended by Great Society. So HRC passage does not assure Dem majorities.”
I was being sarcastic about it being tough.
The Democrats held the majority in Congress for 40 years after Roosevelt was president.
Attilahunnybunny, your idea of governing is putting this country into >$5 TRILLION IN DEBT, including $3.2 TRILLION in debt just from TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH.
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2010/01/27/us/politics/27budget-graphic.html
But hey, I know facts are pesky things for Republicans.
Projected budgets under Obamanomics show many trillions in new debt and a deficit nearly exceeding GDP before 2020.
But thanks for your budget concern, Ethan. We know how sincere you are.
Ethan are you getting gay with me?
I actually agree that Bush was runaway spender. He should have vetoed the **** out of all those spending bill’s San Fran Nan was putting on his desk. However, Obama’s 2009 deficit is equal to 8 years of Bush’s deficits; and the QB is right, the CBO came out yesterday forecasting trillion $ deficits for the next 10 years.
Considering how much time the Senate wasted earlier and how dysfunctional it is, I’m not very sympathetic. Concerns about them getting their act together are entirely justified. If they actually get something done, bravo.
Q.B. For what it’s worth..and probably nothing to you..at least you attempted in a straightforward fashion to answer my question, and so you have earned my respect.
As for…”likes to vent on Plumline after after a few beers or gin and tonics.
That’s just my opinion”
You are entitled to your opinion but I don’t drink gin and tonics…close though it’s Vodka and tonic but I didn’t have any before posting and usually don’t..but again you are entitled to your opinion.
ruk,
Well it’s a banner day. We won’t end in name calling.
I’m not really a drinker, but I’ll endorse your choice of vodka over gin, if one must. No offense intended there. First time I have seen you make a sound judgment.
Q.B. Thanks…there’s a first for everything.
Nancy pelosi in the most stupid woman I have ever
known.She still wants to pass a health care bill when
all of America has said “No thanks.”
To rukidding and qb:
As someone who has been in politics (off and on) for almost 40 years (managed campaigns, and ran for, won and served in elective office), I think that QB has hit on the likely explanation. Polls on abstract questions provide little effective information on how a political issue will play out (hey, everyone’s for a chicken in every pot) – it’s only when a REAL proposal with REAL numbers and REAL winners and losers hits the table that a poll REALLY tells you something. And despite the talking points from the left, the majority of Americans do have a pretty good idea about this bill – they may not be able to tell you the details, but they know that it will affect them, bigtime ….. and that’s not what they thought ObamaCare was going to be. The Obama campaign promised coverage to the uninsured, NOT a complete rework of everyone’s coverage. The majority likes their coverage as it is, and they’re not happy about how this is playing out. And the polls now REALLY reflect that.