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> <channel><title>Comments on: Saturday Roundup: Liz Cheney! Ayers! Wright! Hillarycare!</title> <atom:link href="http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/saturday-roundup-liz-cheney-ayers-wright-hillarycare/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/saturday-roundup-liz-cheney-ayers-wright-hillarycare/</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 03:31:57 -0400</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: quarterback</title><link>http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/saturday-roundup-liz-cheney-ayers-wright-hillarycare/comment-page-3/#comment-104216</link> <dc:creator>quarterback</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:18:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=16368#comment-104216</guid> <description>&quot;Big surprise that Liz Cheney lied again. She claims that Bush visited Dover to honor the dead soldiers, only without cameras. That is simply not true. Bush never visited Dover avec or sans cameras.&quot;Here is what she actually said:&quot;I think that it is clearly important for a commander in chief, whenever he can in whatever way possible, to pay tribute to our fallen soldiers, our fallen military folks. But I think, you know, what President Bush used to do is to do it without the cameras. And, um, I don&#039;t understand, sort-of showing up with the White House press pool, with photographers, and asking family members if you can take pictures. That&#039;s really hard for me to get my head around.&quot;If you can read, you can see there is no claim Bush went to Dover.  I don&#039;t know whether he went there or not, nor does it matter.Big surprise, it is Gasbag who is again lying in saying a conservative lied.  How is it that this is the constant pattern with the left?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Big surprise that Liz Cheney lied again. She claims that Bush visited Dover to honor the dead soldiers, only without cameras. That is simply not true. Bush never visited Dover avec or sans cameras.&#8221;</p><p>Here is what she actually said:</p><p>&#8220;I think that it is clearly important for a commander in chief, whenever he can in whatever way possible, to pay tribute to our fallen soldiers, our fallen military folks. But I think, you know, what President Bush used to do is to do it without the cameras. And, um, I don&#8217;t understand, sort-of showing up with the White House press pool, with photographers, and asking family members if you can take pictures. That&#8217;s really hard for me to get my head around.&#8221;</p><p>If you can read, you can see there is no claim Bush went to Dover.  I don&#8217;t know whether he went there or not, nor does it matter.</p><p>Big surprise, it is Gasbag who is again lying in saying a conservative lied.  How is it that this is the constant pattern with the left?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Gasman</title><link>http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/saturday-roundup-liz-cheney-ayers-wright-hillarycare/comment-page-3/#comment-104114</link> <dc:creator>Gasman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:59:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=16368#comment-104114</guid> <description>It will be interesting to see if the Republicans of NY&#039;s 23rd district who do not count themselves among the rabidly conservatives will be willing to support the Democratic candidate or just stay home as a protest against the wingnut carpet baggers.  Will the district decide that they want a goofball like Hoffman?  Could this be the election that officially begins the schism between the wingnuts and what remains of moderate Republicans?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will be interesting to see if the Republicans of NY&#8217;s 23rd district who do not count themselves among the rabidly conservatives will be willing to support the Democratic candidate or just stay home as a protest against the wingnut carpet baggers.  Will the district decide that they want a goofball like Hoffman?  Could this be the election that officially begins the schism between the wingnuts and what remains of moderate Republicans?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: lmsinca</title><link>http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/saturday-roundup-liz-cheney-ayers-wright-hillarycare/comment-page-3/#comment-103931</link> <dc:creator>lmsinca</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:55:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=16368#comment-103931</guid> <description>BernieThat Red State post was really interesting.  I love the &quot;choose lesser Republicans&quot; line.  Wow, they&#039;re basically eating their own when they call a moderate a &quot;leftist&quot;.  It will be interesting to watch nonetheless.I still think they&#039;re just throwing everything they can at the population to see what sticks.  We&#039;re to the right of Bush, anti-government, anti-Obama, anti-g@y marriage as the hot button topic, regular Americans for Freedom, protect your children vote for a woman, anti-socialism blah, blah, blah, maybe we can pick up a vote here or there rhetoric.&quot;That was and is nonsense. Conservatives are willing to make compromises and choose lesser Republicans who can win in races a conservative most likely cannot. NY-23 was never one of those places and now the GOP is in a world of hurt.&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernie</p><p>That Red State post was really interesting.  I love the &#8220;choose lesser Republicans&#8221; line.  Wow, they&#8217;re basically eating their own when they call a moderate a &#8220;leftist&#8221;.  It will be interesting to watch nonetheless.</p><p>I still think they&#8217;re just throwing everything they can at the population to see what sticks.  We&#8217;re to the right of Bush, anti-government, anti-Obama, anti-g@y marriage as the hot button topic, regular Americans for Freedom, protect your children vote for a woman, anti-socialism blah, blah, blah, maybe we can pick up a vote here or there rhetoric.</p><p>&#8220;That was and is nonsense. Conservatives are willing to make compromises and choose lesser Republicans who can win in races a conservative most likely cannot. NY-23 was never one of those places and now the GOP is in a world of hurt.&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Greg Sargent</title><link>http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/saturday-roundup-liz-cheney-ayers-wright-hillarycare/comment-page-3/#comment-103929</link> <dc:creator>Greg Sargent</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:49:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=16368#comment-103929</guid> <description>All, Sunday post: Gingrich, of all people, condemning conservative leaders for mounting an ideological purge in NY 23!http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/democratic-national-committee/gingrich-condemns-conservative-leaders-for-driving-liberal-goper-out-of-ny-race/</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All, Sunday post: Gingrich, of all people, condemning conservative leaders for mounting an ideological purge in NY 23!</p><p><a
href="http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/democratic-national-committee/gingrich-condemns-conservative-leaders-for-driving-liberal-goper-out-of-ny-race/" rel="nofollow">http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/democratic-national-committee/gingrich-condemns-conservative-leaders-for-driving-liberal-goper-out-of-ny-race/</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bernie Latham</title><link>http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/saturday-roundup-liz-cheney-ayers-wright-hillarycare/comment-page-3/#comment-103927</link> <dc:creator>Bernie Latham</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:44:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=16368#comment-103927</guid> <description>Liam - it&#039;s a fair point but in the microcosm and relative invisibility of this small fight, probably of no consequence.  It will be on the national stage and moving towards 2012 where I expect to see this &#039;victimized women/mothers&#039; played out.  I could have this wrong of course but I think there&#039;s something to it.A couple of months ago, I said that a necessary narrative must be established by the right which forwards the notion that Obama is unpopular and a loser.  Without that narrative (with its opposite remaining in place - he&#039;s popular and winning)the Republicans will have little to zero chance next November and two years on.  They are counting on Tuesday to give heft to that narrative and that&#039;s how they&#039;ll spin it.  Count on Hannity and Limbaugh to say, &quot;Well, it didn&#039;t take long for America to realize who Obama really is, did it?  This is the begging of the end.  These results show beyond a shadow of a doubt that Americans want Obama to fail.&quot;  So that is the primary narrative they need to set in place now.  Other stuff will come later.Further up the road, regarding my thesis, there&#039;s the proviso that whatever tact is taken will be determined by events upcoming and which can&#039;t be foreseen now.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liam &#8211; it&#8217;s a fair point but in the microcosm and relative invisibility of this small fight, probably of no consequence.  It will be on the national stage and moving towards 2012 where I expect to see this &#8216;victimized women/mothers&#8217; played out.  I could have this wrong of course but I think there&#8217;s something to it.</p><p>A couple of months ago, I said that a necessary narrative must be established by the right which forwards the notion that Obama is unpopular and a loser.  Without that narrative (with its opposite remaining in place &#8211; he&#8217;s popular and winning)the Republicans will have little to zero chance next November and two years on.  They are counting on Tuesday to give heft to that narrative and that&#8217;s how they&#8217;ll spin it.  Count on Hannity and Limbaugh to say, &#8220;Well, it didn&#8217;t take long for America to realize who Obama really is, did it?  This is the begging of the end.  These results show beyond a shadow of a doubt that Americans want Obama to fail.&#8221;  So that is the primary narrative they need to set in place now.  Other stuff will come later.</p><p>Further up the road, regarding my thesis, there&#8217;s the proviso that whatever tact is taken will be determined by events upcoming and which can&#8217;t be foreseen now.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: lmsinca</title><link>http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/saturday-roundup-liz-cheney-ayers-wright-hillarycare/comment-page-3/#comment-103925</link> <dc:creator>lmsinca</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:40:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=16368#comment-103925</guid> <description>Here&#039;s a little copy sent out to Fox viewers re:  The appearance of Rush on Sunday.&quot;Next week Rush Limbaugh will be our special guest. Rush has become more than just the number one radio talk show host in the country.  He is considered an influential political player and is one of the most vocal critics of President Obama and Democrats who call him the leader of the Republican Party.  Rush was recently dropped from a group attempting to buy The St. Louis Rams football team for past statements that created controversy.  He is always ready to comment on hot topics and news of the day.  Please let us know what you want to ask Rush.&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a little copy sent out to Fox viewers re:  The appearance of Rush on Sunday.</p><p>&#8220;Next week Rush Limbaugh will be our special guest. Rush has become more than just the number one radio talk show host in the country.  He is considered an influential political player and is one of the most vocal critics of President Obama and Democrats who call him the leader of the Republican Party.  Rush was recently dropped from a group attempting to buy The St. Louis Rams football team for past statements that created controversy.  He is always ready to comment on hot topics and news of the day.  Please let us know what you want to ask Rush.&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bernie Latham</title><link>http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/saturday-roundup-liz-cheney-ayers-wright-hillarycare/comment-page-3/#comment-103919</link> <dc:creator>Bernie Latham</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:33:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=16368#comment-103919</guid> <description>Purge time... http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/31/the-gop-establishment-must-be-purged-as-the-gop-loses-in-ny-23/</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Purge time&#8230; <a
href="http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/31/the-gop-establishment-must-be-purged-as-the-gop-loses-in-ny-23/" rel="nofollow">http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/31/the-gop-establishment-must-be-purged-as-the-gop-loses-in-ny-23/</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Liam</title><link>http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/saturday-roundup-liz-cheney-ayers-wright-hillarycare/comment-page-3/#comment-103915</link> <dc:creator>Liam</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:27:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=16368#comment-103915</guid> <description>As for Republicans pushing Women forward:The Republican nominee for NY23 is a Woman, and they just just pushed her out of the race, after she won the party&#039;s nomination.I wonder how Women in the district will take that?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for Republicans pushing Women forward:</p><p>The Republican nominee for NY23 is a Woman, and they just just pushed her out of the race, after she won the party&#8217;s nomination.</p><p>I wonder how Women in the district will take that?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bernie Latham</title><link>http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/saturday-roundup-liz-cheney-ayers-wright-hillarycare/comment-page-3/#comment-103900</link> <dc:creator>Bernie Latham</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 12:54:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=16368#comment-103900</guid> <description>Here&#039;s that bright shining line that demarks the wide gap between FOX news and FOX commentary... http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200910310004</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s that bright shining line that demarks the wide gap between FOX news and FOX commentary&#8230; <a
href="http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200910310004" rel="nofollow">http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200910310004</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Gasman</title><link>http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/saturday-roundup-liz-cheney-ayers-wright-hillarycare/comment-page-3/#comment-103840</link> <dc:creator>Gasman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 08:22:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=16368#comment-103840</guid> <description>Big surprise that Liz Cheney lied again.  She claims that Bush visited Dover to honor the dead soldiers, only without cameras.  That is simply not true.  Bush never visited Dover &lt;em&gt;avec&lt;/em&gt; or &lt;em&gt;sans&lt;/em&gt; cameras.I&#039;m not sure whether Liz Cheney intentionally lies to suit her own purposes or she really is not smart enough to realize the extent that she deviates from verifiable truth.  If she is intentionally lying, she is &lt;em&gt;still&lt;/em&gt; not very smart, because it is way too easy to fact check her whoppers.  Maybe she is just a pre-Google gal in a post-Google world.Either way, she is still wrong.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big surprise that Liz Cheney lied again.  She claims that Bush visited Dover to honor the dead soldiers, only without cameras.  That is simply not true.  Bush never visited Dover <em>avec</em> or <em>sans</em> cameras.</p><p>I&#8217;m not sure whether Liz Cheney intentionally lies to suit her own purposes or she really is not smart enough to realize the extent that she deviates from verifiable truth.  If she is intentionally lying, she is <em>still</em> not very smart, because it is way too easy to fact check her whoppers.  Maybe she is just a pre-Google gal in a post-Google world.</p><p>Either way, she is still wrong.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Freehold</title><link>http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/saturday-roundup-liz-cheney-ayers-wright-hillarycare/comment-page-3/#comment-103780</link> <dc:creator>Freehold</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 03:38:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=16368#comment-103780</guid> <description>&lt;I&gt; Clinton&#039;s visit came at a time when Pakistanis&#039; suspicions about U.S. intentions in their country are at an all-time high.A five-year, $7.5-billion aid package to Pakistan recently signed into law by President Obama has stoked much of the animosity. Measures in the legislation aimed at ensuring the money isn&#039;t misspent have been perceived by Pakistanis as levers that Washington can use to exert control over their country.Pakistanis also continue to be incensed by U.S. reliance on drone missile strikes to take out top Al Qaeda and Taliban commanders in Pakistan&#039;s lawless tribal areas along the border with Afghanistan.&lt;/I&gt;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-clinton-pakistan1-2009nov01,0,1313175.story</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Clinton&#8217;s visit came at a time when Pakistanis&#8217; suspicions about U.S. intentions in their country are at an all-time high.</p><p>A five-year, $7.5-billion aid package to Pakistan recently signed into law by President Obama has stoked much of the animosity. Measures in the legislation aimed at ensuring the money isn&#8217;t misspent have been perceived by Pakistanis as levers that Washington can use to exert control over their country.</p><p>Pakistanis also continue to be incensed by U.S. reliance on drone missile strikes to take out top Al Qaeda and Taliban commanders in Pakistan&#8217;s lawless tribal areas along the border with Afghanistan.</p><p></i></p><p><a
href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-clinton-pakistan1-2009nov01,0,1313175.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-clinton-pakistan1-2009nov01,0,1313175.story</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: amk</title><link>http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/saturday-roundup-liz-cheney-ayers-wright-hillarycare/comment-page-3/#comment-103765</link> <dc:creator>amk</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 02:25:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=16368#comment-103765</guid> <description>Bernie, I don&#039;t think palin will play the useful idiot role that gracefully. Remember her wanting to make a &quot;speech&quot; to her &quot;dear followers&#039; during mccain&#039;s concession ? And that was just after her entry to national level politics too. Do you think she&#039;ll gladly step aside after having riled up her base in 2010/12 ? Both she and her crazed base wouldn&#039;t allow it for a minute. I&#039;m hoping mittens and huckster are sharpening their knives as we speak.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernie, I don&#8217;t think palin will play the useful idiot role that gracefully. Remember her wanting to make a &#8220;speech&#8221; to her &#8220;dear followers&#8217; during mccain&#8217;s concession ? And that was just after her entry to national level politics too. Do you think she&#8217;ll gladly step aside after having riled up her base in 2010/12 ? Both she and her crazed base wouldn&#8217;t allow it for a minute. I&#8217;m hoping mittens and huckster are sharpening their knives as we speak.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bernie Latham</title><link>http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/saturday-roundup-liz-cheney-ayers-wright-hillarycare/comment-page-3/#comment-103759</link> <dc:creator>Bernie Latham</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 02:02:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=16368#comment-103759</guid> <description>@amk - women are being pushed forward, that seems certain.  Matalin&#039;s comment gives a peek into a strategy (if not &#039;the&#039; strategy) and my guess is they see this as a way to pull female voters away from Obama and dems.  My assumption at this point is that Palin&#039;s polling puts her outside of the set of electable individuals and she&#039;ll be used to help rile up the base.  Glenn Beck is making noises about her heading up a third party but the big boys won&#039;t let that happen because they are interested in power - they&#039;ll facilitate Beck/Palin nuttiness only so long as it looks valuable to that end.Part of the problem in reading intentions/plans is that the party strategists themselves are uncertain how things will play out and they need to stay nimble afoot.  Their first objective is to diminish Obama and that will remain the ongoing and overarching objective.But they do have the problem of continuing and increasing extremism in their base (thus Kristol&#039;s last column in this paper).  They&#039;ve created this beast and they are now stuck with it, so must try to make it work for them.  It&#039;s not that this is smart, it&#039;s that it is all they&#039;ve got.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@amk &#8211; women are being pushed forward, that seems certain.  Matalin&#8217;s comment gives a peek into a strategy (if not &#8216;the&#8217; strategy) and my guess is they see this as a way to pull female voters away from Obama and dems.  My assumption at this point is that Palin&#8217;s polling puts her outside of the set of electable individuals and she&#8217;ll be used to help rile up the base.  Glenn Beck is making noises about her heading up a third party but the big boys won&#8217;t let that happen because they are interested in power &#8211; they&#8217;ll facilitate Beck/Palin nuttiness only so long as it looks valuable to that end.</p><p>Part of the problem in reading intentions/plans is that the party strategists themselves are uncertain how things will play out and they need to stay nimble afoot.  Their first objective is to diminish Obama and that will remain the ongoing and overarching objective.</p><p> But they do have the problem of continuing and increasing extremism in their base (thus Kristol&#8217;s last column in this paper).  They&#8217;ve created this beast and they are now stuck with it, so must try to make it work for them.  It&#8217;s not that this is smart, it&#8217;s that it is all they&#8217;ve got.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Andy</title><link>http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/saturday-roundup-liz-cheney-ayers-wright-hillarycare/comment-page-3/#comment-103756</link> <dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:53:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=16368#comment-103756</guid> <description>we should also start a pool on how long it takes for Liz Cheney to comment on the Halloween activities at the WH tonight.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we should also start a pool on how long it takes for Liz Cheney to comment on the Halloween activities at the WH tonight.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: amk</title><link>http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/saturday-roundup-liz-cheney-ayers-wright-hillarycare/comment-page-3/#comment-103745</link> <dc:creator>amk</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:42:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/?p=16368#comment-103745</guid> <description>Bernie, some time back you postulated that the repubs are testing the waters for 2010 by projecting the women faces like that twit from tundras, darth&#039;s daughter, that crazy eyed and still crazier brained nutcase from MN et. al.NY 23 seems to prove otherwise, doesn&#039;t it ? It&#039;s the bat-shite crazy ideology, not the gender, that seems to be the repugs&#039; &#039;stratergy.&#039;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernie, some time back you postulated that the repubs are testing the waters for 2010 by projecting the women faces like that twit from tundras, darth&#8217;s daughter, that crazy eyed and still crazier brained nutcase from MN et. al.</p><p>NY 23 seems to prove otherwise, doesn&#8217;t it ? It&#8217;s the bat-shite crazy ideology, not the gender, that seems to be the repugs&#8217; &#8217;stratergy.&#8217;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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