Public Thinks GOP Doesn’t Want Compromise, But Wants Obama To Keep Trying Anyway
There’s a truly weird disconnect underlying public opinion right now: Americans are overwhelmingly convinced that Republicans are not pursuing a bipartisan health care compromise in good faith, but the public wants Obama to keep trying to find common ground with them anyway.
The new CBS/New York Times poll drives this point home as starkly as you could want — and suggests that Dems have failed at one of their core political missions.
The poll finds that an overwhelming majority of 64% think Republicans are opposing Obama’s health care plans mostly for political reasons. But it also finds that an equally large number, 65%, say Democrats shouldn’t pass a bill without Republicans — even if they think it’s right for the country — and should instead compromise to win over some GOPers.
This shows, I think, that Democrats have convinced the public that the GOP wants Obama and Dems to fail at all costs. But they’ve failed to make the case to the public that GOP obstructionism may leave them no choice but to go it alone in order to realize reform.
Senator Chuck Schumer has been privately telling Dem colleagues that much more needs to be done to lay the political groundwork for doing health care alone through the “reconciliation” process, should it come to that. The numbers above suggest he’s right.
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It certainly shows that propoganda can work, and substantial numbers of people can be misled.
Is there any significant compromise or concession that Obama or Democrats have made?
Sure qb, over 100 Republican amendments have been included into just 1 of the bills. That sounds like compromise to me.
Or do you mean Democrats giving into every demand Republicans make?
Greg, read some more poll questions –
Most important – economy + jobs 41, health care 19
Economy fairly bad + very bad 77%
Will not keep no tax under $250K pledge 56%
Sat vs. Dissat with your health care 48 vs. 47
Fed responsibility for health care 51 vs 40 (but down
from 64 vs 27 from 2 years ago)
Health care is not their number one concern by about 2:1. They are about split between satisfied and not with current situation. They expect their taxes to increase.
I’d say a fair interpretation is that people want a solution good enough (or mainstream enough if you will) to attract a significant majority of both Democrats and Republicans, and they don’t think that is on the table yet.
They don’t see a crisis, and are (I think very reasonably) reluctant to see a something rushed through.
A few things stand out for me in the poll.
(3) On important present issues, economy/jobs is very high, as we’d expect.
(8) (9) Very low opinion of Republicans hasn’t improved but dems stay high – 47/30
(1) Obama remains well trusted
But I’m particularly struck by the following:
(26) by 51/40, those polled believe it is the fed govt’s responsibility to guarantee health insurance for all Americas. Note how that 40% answered question (27) [hi, Scott C]. Contrast that sector of opinion with the answers in (28) and (29) and (30). It’s sort of that choice between, “I actually care about the suffering of others in my community and will therefore help Jim put out that fire in his garage” versus “Sorry but my fire extinguisher if for MY house and don’t you dare touch MY garden hose either! Because I bought them with MY money!”
A choice of Americas.
This is still the most telling question/answer.
“Would you favor or oppose the government offering everyone a government administered health insurance plan — something like the Medicare coverage that people 65 and older get — that would compete with private health insurance plans?”
Favor 65%
Oppose 26%
freehold said:
“I’d say a fair interpretation is that people want a solution good enough (or mainstream enough if you will) to attract a significant majority of both Democrats and Republicans, and they don’t think that is on the table yet.”
Perhaps. But I doubt it. Given the perception of Republican obstructionism, it might more fairly be seen as a plea for representatives to become adults and actually work together for citizens rather than to merely gain/regain power.
“They don’t see a crisis, and are (I think very reasonably) reluctant to see a something rushed through.”
Again, I doubt this gets it right. You are correct to contrast with concerns on economy because that is more pressing (for those who haven’t just been diagnosed with cancer or those who haven’t just been refused coverage or those many hundreds who are, today, filing for bankruptcy due to medical costs).
“It’s sort of that choice between, “I actually care about the suffering of others in my community and will therefore help Jim put out that fire in his garage” versus “Sorry but my fire extinguisher if for MY house and don’t you dare touch MY garden hose either! Because I bought them with MY money!””
Yes, of course, instituting a federal program is the only way to deal with such problems. Opposing a federal program is just same as refusing to help your neighbor. Someone who doesn’t believe there is a “right” to federalized health care would let his neighbor’s house burn.
Can’t you do better than that? And you were saying last night again that conservatives are intellectually dull?
@mike – yes.
@qb
“Is there any significant compromise or concession that Obama or Democrats have made?”
Yeah, they didn’t go for single payer. The Public Option is a major compromise.
Now it’s your turn. Is there any significant compromise or concession that Republicans have made?
“Sure qb, over 100 Republican amendments have been included into just 1 of the bills. That sounds like compromise to me.”
But is there any “significant” compromise? No.
And how exactly does this show that Republicans aren’t participating in good faith?
Face it, it’s just what I said. Obama definitely gets the upper hand in influencing public opinion. He has the White House, a continuously open mic on the national media, and he is a master propogandist. But there is no substance to the claim that he is somehow negotiating in good faith and open to compromise while Republicans aren’t. He flatly lied to the country by telling us that Republicans have offered NO plans or ideas. His lies are effective with a certain portion of the population who don’t pay much attention.
Democrats don’t need Republicans to do this. They are effectively using Republican “intransigence” as a scapegoat for their own dissension and ineptitude.
“Yeah, they didn’t go for single payer. The Public Option is a major compromise.”
Wrong. Obama says he doesn’t support single payer himself. Or are you suggesting he is lying?
We have 60 votes. We don’t need to do health care reform through reconciliation.
If we had 59 votes then I think that we should seriously consider reconciliation but since we have 60, it’s time that Obama becomes LBJ and puts the hammer on the Dem Senators to ALL vote for cloture.
qb, The president in about as honest as they get. I know its tough to accept after having elected such pathological lying Republican leadership in recent times. Believe it or not, some people are sincere. Just not Republicans for the most part.
Republicans after all are just corporate mouth pieces. Their entire faux platform is just an extension of corporate needs masked in words like freedom and liberty. Modern day conservatism is one big fairy tale.
FYI..Obama currently speaking on CNBC.
qb~
You are wrong on what POTUS has said on single payer. POTUS has always said that he believes that single payer is the best way to achieve universal health care for all Americans. However, he does not believe that it is in the Country’s best interest to rebuild the entire health care system from the ground up, he feels like the most realistic way to accomplish health care reform is to build upon and change the system we currently have. That has always been his position. He has never lied about it and has reiterated it several times.
80% of Americans are stupid and misinformed – that is why you get poll results like that.
Greg~
One of the most interesting things about this poll, and many others with similar findings, is when the chips end up falling on health care reform, where do you think that majority comes out on all of this? Even though the majority of people think POTUS should still try and work with Repub’s, it does not mean that they will blame him or the Dems if they end up only getting one Repub or zero Repub. The majority will see it for exactly what it is. POTUS tried and Repubs obstructed. The majority certainly isn’t going to blame POTUS for not being able to get Repub votes, who they acknowledge are merely obstructionists. I think the majority of people see POTUS as dignified and above the Repub fray. They like that about him and they don’t want him down in the gutter with the GOP throwing mud, they would rather see other Dems do that, not POTUS. That is why they want him to continue to extend his hand, but in the end when health care reform passes and POTUS gets zero Repubs, that same majority is going to think – “yep, he did it, he extended his hand, the GOP were obstructionists, but POTUS still got us health care reform”
Mike,
“The president in about as honest as they get.”
You really want to go down that road? Republicans have offered no plans or ideas, John McCain’s plan just taxes your benefits and would leave you unable to buy insurance, my door is always open (to Republicans), not the Jeremiah Wright I knew, not the Bill Ayres I knew, no connection to Acorn, I intend to serve out my term (because I wouldn’t run for President needing on the job training) . . . just a few of Obama’s patent lies.
But the point was asserted that Obama’s major compromise was giving up single payer. Either that wasn’t a compromise at all or he is lying about it.
“Obama currently speaking on CNBC”
Thanks Scott. It’s been too long since we’ve heard from him.
The racist repugs like qb ranting on and on about lies …How hilarious and ironic. Clueless ‘morans’.
qb, I see no problem with anything that you said there.
You lie!
Sam, you’re correct since only 20% of the U.S. are self proclaimed liberals.
Jenn D,
You are misinformed.
http://freedomeden.blogspot.com/2009/08/obama-single-payer-plan.html
Also, consider then what Obama is doing even if your defense of him were accurate. He is telling the country that he doesn’t support single payer and hasn’t ever said he does, but in fact it is his long term agenda — according to you — to be achieved incrementally in the long term.
So your defense of him is simply a validation of one of the Republicans’ primary critques: We can’t let the camel’s nose under the tent, because this Obama plan is designed to lead to single payer. So is he being honest about his intentions if you are right? I think not.
Mike,
I know, you see no problem with Obama’s certifiable lies.
qb is hysterical – things become clear when you listen to R’s – isn’t it funny (in a sad way) that you have POTUS working to get the economy back on track, working on health care, working on getting out of Iraq and working on fixing the mess that Afghanistan is in because we ignored it for the last six years while we screwed up everything in Iraq and now his is literally standing with two other major world leaders taking a position against Iran and all that quarterback can go to is Wright, Ayers and Acorn. Oh yes, quarterback, for sure – we are so very, very concerned about Wright, Ayers and Acorn – much, much more so than the economy, health care, iraq, afghanistan and iran…
qb. There were no lies there. You’re just misinformed.
…the verdict on Republicans is devastating:
In stoking the base, the GOP has persuaded the center that they are not a serious party interested in governing.
qb~
YOU ARE MISINFORMED! POTUS has said repeatedly exactly what I posted above, look YOU ARE TRANSPARENT (and YOU LIE! to funny, mike), you see everything through some sort of conspiracy (camels and tents) and some agree with you, but certainly NOT the majority of people. The majority of people do not buy into your camel/tent bull and if that is the way you think of things then you really can’t be taken seriously…we are in dire need of health care reform…something besides just tax credits and tort reform, so really your feedback should be looked upon as opinion, not factual and not really intent on doing anything but trying to argue against what the majority of people acknowledge needs to be fixed.
We have 60 votes. We don’t need to do health care reform through reconciliation.
Not all 60 Democrats are on board, however.
Jenn D,
If you aren’t interested in Obama’s honesty or lack thereof, good for you. The assertion was made that he is “as honest as they come.”
But I am well aware that is how liberals “debate.” When you can’t defend a point, you change the issue and mock your opponent for being concerned about non-issues.
Speaking of Obama on the world stage, though, I have seen very little liberal reaction to his UN address. I found it appalling and frightening. And unintentional comedic — if dangerously so. This man truly has a frightening image of himself and his place in history, and frightfully ignorant and unrealistic view of the world.
It tells us something that Chavez and Quaddafi sang his praises.
Jenn D,
Have you even listened to or read Obama’s ‘03 campaign speech? Apparently not. You are just spouting his talking points.
So which one is it? Is his plan for reform a plan to lead to single payer, or isn’t it? He has said reform might lead us there. Is that his goal?
I’d really like to know what you think the answer is.
Obama hearts tyrants like Hitler, once in power, rammed healthcare down German throats…
http://theamericanscene.com/2009/09/24/is-michael-ledeen-serious
Michael Ledeen. The National Review. The very bottom of the barrel.
I hear the public wants to have their cake and eat it too. This is the sort of thing that leads people to marry morons they know to be morons but they still truly hope will change. The audacity of hope, as much as what they actually believe if they were honest with themselves (which happens less often than ideal), is probably a factor here.
qb~
There are many out there that think single payer is the best way to go. Either one is fine with me, I am fine with single payer and I am fine with the public option. I spent 10 years as a military dependent and our family received good government run health care through the VA. It wasn’t perfect, but neither is the private system. So I have spent half of my adult life on a government run health care system, so I am fine with single payer or the public option. You disagree, and that is fine, but your hyperbole on anything that is POTUS/DEM is the very reason to view your posts here as simply being against anything that POTUS or DEMS do. Your “frightening” rhetoric is ridiculous. What do you think we should do with Iran? We have already taken down Iraq (who use to keep Iran in check/the enemy of my enemy is my friend), so what do we do…do we bomb Iran? With 100,000 US troops right next door in Iraq, do we send our troops in to Iran and leave Iraq? Whose going to go in with us in Iran? Since you seem to know everything about everything and the Republican’s are right about everything that is foreign policy, then what is your grand solution and how do you get there from here. Because you can shout out about taking a strong hand against Iran, but we must be able to back it up with force, and we don’t have much force left right now.
The only possible explanation for this disconnect that I can think of is that people are responding based on the knowledge that the Democrats have the White House and the majority. There are a lot of people who seem to be uncomfortable when one party is in charge of everything.
The problem with this is that I didn’t hear any complaining about that when the GOP had the White House and the majority. I just hear that now.
Otherwise, the polls make no sense at all on this, except the GOP keeps losing ground, regardless.
Haven’t looked at crosstabs on this, but I would suggest that only about half of either of these groups–(a) those that think Reps are obstructionists, and (b) those who want bipartisanship–are the same folks.
And it’s not hard at all to believe that a third of the public are willing to state the obvious sentiment of (a), while at the same time wishing that there was a magical unity pony to accomplish (b).
Point is, thirty-something percent of Americans will tell you whatever they think they heard on whatever 24 news channel they last watched, and that sentiment will change from day to day
Dems should pass real health reform now, and worry about re-election next summer.
“And it’s not hard at all to believe that a third of the public are willing to state the obvious sentiment of (a), while at the same time wishing that there was a magical unity pony to accomplish (b).”
Yes, exactly. I think you’re right.
Healthcare reform, the parks systems, Ken Burns and SOCIALISM!!!
http://www.thedemocraticstrategist.org/
“Jenn D | September 25th, 2009 at 09:13 am ”
Has anyone besides me noticed that this administration is actually thwarting terrorist plots and arresting people for terrorism? There’s a lot more of that happening than there ever was under the Bush Administration.
Tena and converse~ I agree. A government run public option for health care is going to be very popular once it is passed, just like Medicare is (which Repubs opposed then too). The GOP knows this, they know that it is going to be popular with the majority of the people and that is why they are so against it, they are much less concerned about giving the majority of the people what they need and want; and much more about making sure the Dems and POTUS fail to give the people with the need and want. It is, again, transparent. People do not like to watch the “sausage” that is trying to pass health care legislation, that doesn’t mean they won’t be very happy once it is passed and there is a public option. Again, if it wasn’t going to be popular, the GOP wouldn’t be so scared of it.
They’ve broken up plans in New York, Denver, Dallas, Illinois – the Bush Administration had a miserable record on this – they never successfully prosecuted anyone for terrorism that I can recall.
“Again, if it wasn’t going to be popular, the GOP wouldn’t be so scared of it.”
Well – yeah. Definitely.
Why no mention of the protests against corporate greed & corruption taking place in Pittsburgh?
Some heavy handed police action going on there as well – not something usually seen here, is disturbing.
I thought Gitmo would be closed by now & that we’d have withdrawn from Irag. Afghanistan is threatening to become Southeast Asia all over again.. with lives lost year after year after year.
@Tena – good for the FBI. Those guys are professionals. They do their job – and funny thing… they don’t care about who is in office.
Jenn D,
You didn’t really answer the central question about whether Obama’s reforms are intended to lead to single payer even while he tells the country they aren’t. But I gather from your answer that you acknowledge that to be the case and are fine with it.
It boggles the mind, then, you can characterize opponents as hysterical and paranoid and acting soley out of partisanship for resisting major components of Obamacare. You aren’t being intellectually honest. You just aren’t. You are effectively admitting that Obama is playing a classic political double game, his critiques are right about his intentions, and he isn’t being transparent — one of his favorite words — with the country.
Regarding Obama’s UN address, what I found disturbing were his (sophomoric) comments that, for example, no nation can today dominate another (news to a lot of people in the world), that “alignments” rooted in past wars or the Cold War “make no sense” (good-bye NATO and our other alliances?), that all nations and people share the same aspirations (don’t recall his exact words), and the like.
This stuff was nonsensical and sounded like high school model UN babble. Also his continued apologies for how the US behaved before he appeared “nine months” ago to right all of our wrongs. His self-regard, his thinly veiled partisanship, and his appeasement of our enemies were appalling. Several conservative commentators described him as clearly viewing himself as “unbounded by history” and as speaking as the first “post-American President” and surrendering America’s leadership. I do believe those are accurate descriptions.
The problem with this is that I didn’t hear any complaining about that when the GOP had the White House and the majority. I just hear that now.
With respect, if that’s so you weren’t paying attention to the polls in 2006 before the election where the Republicans were returned to minority status in the Congress.
oddjob – fair enough.
It fits that much better into my speculation about what’s behind the disconnect.
We must show how the repubs are doing all they can to stall stall stall. Dems must show they are not the wimps we are seeing on tv. The Dems seem to be unaware of the anger of their own supporters. If the Dems just roll over on the public option, they will suffer greatly in 2010. When are the Dems going to step up to the plate, fight for the public option, and not be wimps????? I feel betrayed.
Jenn D.
Yes we really do want single payer. But that is besides the hurt that needs to be corrected. The Repubs look like a bunch of corporate hacks who don’t give a you know what.
“after year after year.
@Tena – good for the FBI. Those guys are professionals. They do their job – and funny thing… they don’t care about who is in office.”
No, they don’t, except when they work for a DOJ that is busy trying to find political **** on Democrats, there isn’t time to look into multiple terrorist plots and there were not these arrests like this under the Bush DOJ.
Even G-O-Politico thinks the GOP rhetoric feeds domestic terrorism:
But it’s not just Pelosi who is worried. In interviews with POLITICO, five former Secret Service, FBI and CIA officers say that they, too, are concerned that today’s climate of supercharged political vitriol could lead to violence.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27566.html
GOP = Terror
Ethan – You left out the accomplishes of gooppers – the frigging corporate media. In any other country, the party that got whacked would have been treated like lepers. Not so in good ol’ us of a.
Yeah, amk, for certain. I definitely find rich irony in G-O-Politico’s reportage on Republican vitriol.
@Tena – I have two family members that are Agents. I can tell you they are they both are among the most dedicated & professional people I have ever met. They could care less who sits in the oval office. Their job is to catch bad guys – and that is what they do.
but – am I the only one that sees the G20 protests and crackdown as disheartening? I am reminded of Chicago in 1968.
I hate to sound like the goopers you refer too – I would like to see healthcare done, I think we need reform there.
But there seems to be a lot of bungling going on, a lot of spinning and soundbiting. I really wish we could return to the day where things were debated on their merits – regardless of who thought it up or proposed the idea – but perhaps that day is gone forever .. .or really never existed at all.
I am for term limits – 3 terms for the house, 2 for the senate. Anyone else?
@healthnut but – am I the only one that sees the G20 protests and crackdown as disheartening? I am reminded of Chicago in 1968.
Need to read your history if a couple of hundred fringers tilting at global windmills reminds you of thousands on thousands of organized students demanding specific and winnable changes in the Democratic Party.
What this poll shows is that the American people like the sound of a public option by an overwhelming majority, like caps on out of pocket costs, bans on pre-existing conditions, and taxing the very rich to pay for it.
What it shows about how the job gets done is irrelevant because nobody will remember that later. They do not even know how much they pay for health care now.
healthnut = *sigh* I’m not knocking the FBI, but there is always a mission that an administration puts their DOJ onto and the Bush Administration used personnel and money and time to try to take down ACORN and Democrats in the states where the districts were. That’s a fact, healthnut.
It’s also a fact that the Bush Administration did not prosecute successfully any terrorists.
And you may be related to agents, but that doesn’t mean the entire FBI is like your relatives.
I’ve dealt with the FBI before.
>>>It’s also a fact that the Bush Administration did not prosecute successfully any terrorists.<<<
Yup. The BUSH DoJ had more people resign in disgrace than terrorists prosecuted. Heckuva job.
whatever final bill comes to president obama to sign, it will have bi-partisan support – from republicans in sheep’s clothing calling themselves democrats. baucus alone is bi-partisan, he calls himself a democrat but votes like a republican. when he gave away the hard fought majority so many of us campaigned and donated for, he showed his true colors.
There is no paradox in the poll results. All it means is:
A large majority of the public see Republicans as being The Bad Guys, in The Health Care Debate, and they see Democrats as being The Good Guys.
The Public does not want the Democrats to stop being The Good Guys, because they do not want them to start behaving like The Bad Guy Republicans.
This is a Win Win for The President, and Democrats.
A large majority have now seen through the Republican lies and stall tactics.
A Win Win for The Good Guys.
Liam – I likes it!
“# sbvpav | September 25th, 2009 at 11:20 am
whatever final bill comes to president obama to sign, it will have bi-partisan support – from republicans in sheep’s clothing calling themselves democrats. baucus alone is bi-partisan, he calls himself a democrat but votes like a republican. when he gave away the hard fought majority so many of us campaigned and donated for, he showed his true colors.
”
I was reading a piece last night at HuffPo about the GOP strategy to bring down this president or indeed, any Democratic president, and one of the main tactics is to destroy the loyalty of the president’s supporters.
Thanks for trying to implement the GOP strategy.
I am for term limits – 3 terms for the house, 2 for the senate. Anyone else?
I tend to agree. I think its a bad thing for these guys to be in office for 20, 30, 40 or more years (for any party). Byrd, Specter, Conyers, Dingle, are Democratic cases in point today, but there were Republicans too – Thurmond.
I think its impossible for them to retain any real feel for “normal” life, and there are far too many who have no real accomplishments in life before being in office.
I’d like to see more mid-career people with 20 years of solid accomplishment, who would spend then spend a couple of terms in office, and retire to private life.
No one wants to leave office, and no one wants to leave DC when they leave office. I think that is a bad sign.
I don’t see it this way at all. While the numbers seem to indicate discoinnect, it’s just as likely that people are saying yes, the GOP is to blame for construction, and that in an ideal world, there would be bipartisanship but for those roadblockers. The second number is more an expression of hope/exasperation than actually wanting Dems to capitulate. IMHO.
ok – so on healthcare – pass it without GOP support. Why draw this out so long? Just get it done already and lets move forward.
@converse – how is it the protestors at the G20 are “fringers”? – The global banking & wealth system – it is corrupt, it protects itself & the governments it owns protects it – isn’t that readily apparant?
A CBS/New York times poll; how objective…not! This poll data does not jibe with other polls taken by Rasmussen, Gallop etcetera. [Their data shows] most of public does not want socialized govenment run healthcare. They were opposed to it when it was being proposed by Clinton and they are opposed to it now. When are you all going to get that through your thick heads?!
The left leaning NYT shows alot of people are uninformed, because the Democrats have flat out rejected hundreds of Republican amendmensts and ignored the fact that the Republican have a bill of their own the hill that the media totally ignores.
A CBS/New York times poll; how objective…not! This poll data does not jibe with other polls taken by Rasmussen, Gallop etcetera. [Their data shows] most of public does not want socialized govenment run healthcare.
Citation(s)? Otherwise you’re just expressing your own opinion very obviously no longer open to alteration.
CBS/NY Times poll.Need I say more.
What I really don’t understand is how people on both sides of this nationalized health care can debate can be so uninformed and barking up the wrong tree at the same time. We, as a society, socialize (yes dirty word I know) things that are in societies interest all of the time. We don’t have private fire departments in a capitalistic system because then there would be fire departments starting fires to make more money. Same with clean water, etc. Both parties in congress are distracting you all with a big shiny object. The GOP with, “Oh…fear socialism!”, the DEMs with “Oh…fear the evil insurance companies!”. It’s ALL self interest propaganda. Both sides. If you don’t think that then you are nieve. Obviously there are a lot of people that think the current system does not work for them. Fine, let’s fix it. But guess what? Who has the most to gain from people being healthier and requiring less care? Doctors? No. Hospitals? No. Government? No. It’s actually insurance companies. So think twice before you deomonize them. Only the government would call a program like medicare that has billions of dollars in unfunded liabilities approaching successful. If we want to fix the problem then people can’t have their cake and be healthy too. We need taxation of things like cigerettes, alchohal and corn (which is currently subsidized, cheapening the cost of things like meat and high fructose corn syrup, which are generally unhealthy and major contributors to the cost of health care). At the same time, we need to subsidize things like health club memberships, etc. All of this health care debate in it’s current form is not going to do anything to lessen the burden, it’s only going to shift it from one group of society to another. Be smart america. Vote independent, think independent. /sigh
@Freehold
I think there should be a limit to the number of terms served. Though, I think the length of the terms should be increased by a couple years. Like all jobs, your first few months to a year is pretty much you LEARNING how to do your job.
And for a chuckle, I have a Republican friend (yes it’s possible for two different political views to be friends)that has had 4 surgeries on his arm in the past year. The surgeon kept making mistakes. He is initiating a malpractice suit as his right arm is pretty much useless right now. And each time, he has had to pay a $10k deductible. Yet, he wholly supports the Republican position on healthcare. Even though they demand provisions on mal-practice suit limitations.
And my view on the public option, as a capitalist and fiscal conservative, is that if the private sector says the public sector sucks so much at everything, it shouldn’t be too hard for private health insurance companies to come up with a better and more competitive product.
Freehold I wish we had more people like monitoring the president during Bush’s term, Possibly, we would not be in at least one war, not as far in debt and not facing this recession.
I can’t wait till my health care is covered by your taxes. I personally pay no taxes and do not have an honest job. I sell pills to pillheads. So I invite you to pay for my drugs. I will have you pay for my drugs and I will sell them on the street for profit. Thank you. Its good you can finally all chip in for the criminals, crooks and the lazy.
Boneleg
The only way tax payers would pay for your pills is that your doctor is crooked as well. Not to mention pharmacies track how many pills you receive. So either you know nothing of how this country controls medication or you are mistaking highly regulated medications for illegal substances. And there will be illegal substance abusers and dealers whether we have universal coverage or co ops. And we already pay for the healthcare of criminals. They get physicals and medical attention in prisons. This is about getting everyone healthcare and making sure that healthcare doesn’t cost the patient more than a house.