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Public Strongly Supports Dem Effort To Open Insurance Industry To Competition

This is the first polling I’ve seen on the issue, and it shows very strong public support for the new push by Dem Congressional leaders to strip the insurance companies of their exemption from anti-trust laws:

Anti-trust laws are intended to prevent companies and other business entities from working together in ways that limit competition. For more than 100 years, health insurance companies have been exempt from anti-trust laws. Should the law be changed so that health insurance companies are subject to anti-trust regulations?

65% Yes

12% No

23% Not sure

Polling has mostly been mixed on whether the strategy of attacking the insurance industry has paid off, partly because the industry had succeeded in muddying the waters by making nice noises about how it really, really — really! — doesn’t oppose reform.

But in recent days, the industry’s tactical screw-ups — releasing that widely-criticized report claiming that reform would hike premiums, for instance — seem to have suddenly crystallized memories of its historical opposition to reform and focused public anger a bit more. The above polling suggests the public is hungry for action against it, too. Public option, anyone?

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Posted by Greg Sargent | 10/22/2009, 01:52 PM EST | Categories: House Dems, Senate Dems, health care, polling

63 Responses

  1. quarterback | October 22nd, 2009 at 02:00 pm

    1. Do people have any clue why the exemption exists? Obviouly not.
    2. It is onl a partial exemption — not a general exemption from “anti-trust laws.”
    3. The main barrier to competition isn’t this exemption but the interstate barrier.
    4. Opening up private competition has been a mainstay of Republican proposals for a long time.

    So this is a pretty misleading question and statistic.

  2. Liam | October 22nd, 2009 at 02:06 pm

    Republicans did not try to reform Health Care, when they were in power. Save us your Bull S. Quarterbrain.

  3. Liam | October 22nd, 2009 at 02:11 pm

    Congressman Paul Ryan(R)

    “We should have fixed this on our watch, and I am frustrated that we did not try to”.

  4. sbj | October 22nd, 2009 at 02:13 pm

    “A new government estimate finds that the nation’s health care tab — already the biggest of any advanced country — would increase even more under health care overhaul legislation in the House.

    “That’s the conclusion of an analysis by the Health and Human Services department that looks at the impact of the health care bill drafted by House Democratic leaders.

    “…The report by career government economists raises questions about the Obama administration’s claim that health care legislation will “bend the cost curve,” and slow a spending rate that many economists say is unsustainable.”

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h1Nly3paLkniTRc0BWD6js1osYxQD9BFLV280

  5. ChuckinDenton | October 22nd, 2009 at 02:17 pm

    Where were the Republican efforts to reform health care?

  6. Liam | October 22nd, 2009 at 02:21 pm

    From 1981 through 2008 The Republicans controlled the White House for 20 of those 28 years. They made no attempt to reform health care during those twenty years. For the other eight years, when Clinton was in the White House, The Republicans teamed up with The Insurance Robber Barons, to prevent any Health Coverage Reforms.

    Why do Republicans Love Robber Barons, and Hate Working Class Americans!

  7. quarterback | October 22nd, 2009 at 02:41 pm

    Correction, Republicans stood with the American people to prevent the Clinton federal government takeover of health care a/k/a Hillarycare.

    In the liberal lexicon, reform means goverment takeover and control. Thankfully, Republicans generally resist that. But they should have pushed for more free market reforms more consistently. Since they largely became domestic liberals under Bush, they didn’t do that.

  8. Liam | October 22nd, 2009 at 02:44 pm

    Quarterbrain releases another one of his demi-brain F@arts. One more of those, and he will be pronounced brain dead, even by Bill Frist!

  9. BBQ | October 22nd, 2009 at 02:47 pm

    Why do you all even acknowledge qb? He’s a dips*** troll.

    Move along, he’s not convincing anyone who doesn’t already hate Pres. Obama. There’s no reason to bother.

  10. Ethan | October 22nd, 2009 at 02:49 pm

    Gibbs:

    “What Vice President Cheney calls dithering, President Obama calls his solemn responsibility to the men and women in uniform and to the American public. I think we’ve all seen what happens when somebody doesn’t take that responsibility seriously.”

    I think it’s pretty safe to say that the vice president was, for seven years, not focused on Afghanistan. Even more curious given that an increase in troops sat on desks in this White House, including the vice president’s for more than eight months.

    http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/gibbs-what-cheney-calls-dithering-obama-calls-his-solemn-responsibility.php

    S-L-A-M!

  11. Liam | October 22nd, 2009 at 02:49 pm

    Quarterbrain thinks that the problem is that not enough Private Insurance Companies are getting to tell people we are dropping you, or we will not pay for that, or don’t get sick, and die quickly.

    That is Quarterbrain’s notion of competition.

    Several Private Insurance Companies told the woman who was put on AIDs prevention medication, after she had been assaulted, that she now had a pre-existing condition. In other words; you got raped, so we think you are too big a risk.

    Quarterbrain is backing those bloodsucking Insurance scumbags. I would like to put them behind bars, where they belong.

  12. sbj | October 22nd, 2009 at 02:57 pm

    “Quarterbrain is backing those bloodsucking Insurance scumbags.”

    It apparently escapes Liam’s attention that the Democrats are complicit in that they are the larger recipients of health insurance PAC money. If the insurance companies are evil then the Dems who take their money are evil, too. Stop taking their money and give it instead to the victims.

  13. quarterback | October 22nd, 2009 at 02:59 pm

    Unfortunately, the Obama story doesn’t quite hold up, though. From Cheney’s speech:

    “This weekend they leveled a charge that cannot go unanswered. The President’s chief of staff claimed that the Bush Administration hadn’t asked any tough questions about Afghanistan, and he complained that the Obama Administration had to start from scratch to put together a strategy.

    In the fall of 2008, fully aware of the need to meet new challenges being posed by the Taliban, we dug into every aspect of Afghanistan policy, assembling a team that repeatedly went into the country, reviewing options and recommendations, and briefing President-elect Obama’s team. They asked us not to announce our findings publicly, and we agreed, giving them the benefit of our work and the benefit of the doubt. The new strategy they embraced in March, with a focus on counterinsurgency and an increase in the numbers of troops, bears a striking resemblance to the strategy we passed to them. They made a decision – a good one, I think – and sent a commander into the field to implement it.”

    It’s time for Obama to grow up and take responsibility for his own actions. The campaign against Bush was a year ago, when Obama was declaring Afghanistan a war of necessity. Now he’s claiming he had to start from scratch after taking office, and it’s a patent lie.

    Obama used Afghanistan to sound tough and have a foreign policy weapon. Now he is reaping the consequences of shooting off his mouth.

  14. mike from Arlington | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:01 pm

    sbj. I’d rather Dems get insurance money and push for a public option than get it like the Republicans and push for the status quo.

  15. dday | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:02 pm

    I have a lot more information on this at FDL News Desk, our new news site.

    http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/22/msnbc-house-to-include-anti-trust-exemption-repeal-in-health-care-bill-wh-noncommital/

  16. mike from Arlington | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:03 pm

    qb. Wouldn’t that be convenient for Republicans if American’s weren’t reminded over and over what a mess the previous administration left unfinished.

    Don’t count on anyone to stop reminded everyone ’till the end of eternity. It’s pretty much gospel now.

  17. sbj | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:04 pm

    “The President’s chief of staff claimed that the Bush Administration hadn’t asked any tough questions about Afghanistan, and he complained that the Obama Administration had to start from scratch to put together a strategy.”

    To me this is truly astounding stuff. The chief of staff went on national TV and called the former administration liars. Turns out that he himself was the one who was lying.

    And I have yet to read one word of condemnation on this blog…

  18. Liam | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:04 pm

    Nelson, Conrad Say Dems, White House Leaning Toward Including Public Option In Senate Health Care Bill

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/nelson-conrad-say-dems-white-house-leaning-toward-including-public-option-in-senate-health-care-bill.php?ref=fpa

    Senator Snowe said that she will not support an Opt-Out option, and would most likely filibuster a Public Option.

    Kiss Snowe goodbye folks. She has returned to the fold, and is now being a good Stepford Republican once more.

  19. sbj | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:06 pm

    “I’d rather Dems get insurance money and push for a public option than get it like the Republicans and push for the status quo.”

    If you think they are evil and that they are literally killing people then you shouldn’t take their dirty money. Put your money where your mouth is (Dems who take health insurance PAC money) and give all of that money to the victims.

  20. Liam | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:07 pm

    The only tough question that The Bush Administration asked about Afghanistan was, what the hell is taking so long, you have been in there for weeks now, and we need to move most of your troops to our Wet Dream Invasion of Iraq.

  21. mike from Arlington | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:08 pm

    What I find astounding is Cheney prancing around like a little baby that this administration is endangering America by not following his policies that were rejected by the very administration he was in when the water boarding torture program was canceled 5 years ago.

    And I have yet to read one word of condemnation from the Bush apologists on the blogosphere…

  22. mike from Arlington | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:09 pm

    sbj. Put what money where who’s mouth is? Pushing for a public option is putting it where your mouth is. Taking action is putting it where your mouth is.

  23. sbj | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:13 pm

    That’s like saying it’s okay to take money from the mafia so long as you push for tougher crime laws…

  24. sbj | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:15 pm

    “In the fall of 2008, fully aware of the need to meet new challenges being posed by the Taliban, we dug into every aspect of Afghanistan policy, assembling a team that repeatedly went into the country, reviewing options and recommendations, and briefing President-elect Obama’s team. They asked us not to announce our findings publicly, and we agreed, giving them the benefit of our work and the benefit of the doubt. The new strategy they embraced in March, with a focus on counterinsurgency and an increase in the numbers of troops, bears a striking resemblance to the strategy we passed to them. They made a decision – a good one, I think – and sent a commander into the field to implement it.”

    This is monumental, blockbuster, stop-the-presses stuff.

  25. mike from Arlington | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:15 pm

    Here’s the thing sbj. You bring this up every day. I don’t care if they take their money then push for legislation that doesn’t favor them.

    But, I will say this.

    We’ll find out soon enough in the final bill who is on the side of insurance companies and who isn’t. If any Senators that have no chance of losing re-election vote against a final bill that contains a public option of some sort, I’d say that’s justification enough to say they have been influenced by PAC contributions.

    Until then, I’ll hold my judgment. So spare me the controversy that exists only in your mind.

  26. Liam | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:17 pm

    2010 is just around the corner. Watch for The Republicans to role out their triple G campaign methodology once more. It is all they have got.

    Republicans’ Triple G. God, Guns, G@ys.

    They want to make sure that everyone has enough Guns to protect God from G@ys.

    They will also sprinkle a large helping of Immigrant Scapegoating over their triple G. servings.

    All Aboard The Republican Hate Express.

    Will Quarterbrain aim his gun at SBJ, to keep him from giving God any G@y notions?

  27. quarterback | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:19 pm

    mike,

    You are pretty much talking gibberish at this point — stream of conscious ranting.

    As sbj notes, it is pretty astonishing for this admin to make the wildly overstated claims Rahmbo made this weekend as part of the continuing effort, a year after the fact, to run against Bush. Obama is treading new ground in this continuous effort to govern by demonizing his predecessor. It’s petty and small. And dishonest. His ratings continue to plummet, he won’t be able to keep afloat politically by continuing to blame Bush. Not enough of the public shares your delusions for it to work.

  28. Liam | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:21 pm

    “President Elect Obama’s team”

    There is the give away on Cheney. He admits that they sat on the request for more Troops. The request was made for more Troops several months before the election.

    Cheney just admitted that the did not take action on the request, but instead let it just sit there until they were out of office.

    White House is telling the truth.

    Cheney just confirmed it.

  29. sbj | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:23 pm

    @Mike: I’m not talking about influence. I’m talking about hypocrisy – saying they are “evil killers” and then taking their money. It doesn’t matter how you vote on a PO.

  30. ChuckinDenton | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:25 pm

    How is that blockbuster, monumental stuff, sbj?

    That Obama agreed with the outgoing Admin’s recommendations? Like anyone expected anything else? O said he would pursue the Taliban.

    Perhaps the “tough questions” that the COS is referring to is whether those recommendations were adquate over the long haul. Maybe, the tough question whether we should be there at all…

  31. Liam | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:25 pm

    ?

    2010 is just around the corner. Watch for The Republicans to role out their triple G campaign methodology once more. It is all they have got.

    Republicans’ Triple G. God, Guns, G@ys.

    They want to make sure that everyone has enough Guns to protect God from G@ys.

    They will also sprinkle a large helping of Immigrant Scapegoating over their triple G. servings.

    All Aboard The Republican Hate Express.

    Will Quarterbrain aim his gun at SBJ, to keep him from giving God any G@y notions?

  32. Liam | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:34 pm

    Bush/Cheney refused General McKiernan’s request for 30,000 more Troops in Afghanistan. He asked for them last Summer. That proves that President Obama is telling the truth, and Dick Cheney is lying, as he always does.

    “By late last summer, he decided to tell George W. Bush’s White House what he knew it did not want to hear: He needed 30,000 more troops. He wanted to send some to the country’s east to bolster other U.S. forces, and some to the south to assist overwhelmed British and Canadian units in Helmand and Kandahar provinces.

    The Bush administration opted not to act on McKiernan’s request and instead set out to persuade NATO allies to contribute more troops. With Washington then viewing NATO as the solution — not the problem — McKiernan seemed like the right general to help win over the allies. Before coming to Kabul, he had been the top Army commander in Europe, and he had been part of the NATO mission in the Balkans in the 1990s.

    He deemed management of the alliance in Afghanistan one of his chief responsibilities. He met with an almost daily stream of visiting delegations from European capitals, and he sought to change some of the more Byzantine troop rules.

    But back in Washington, McKiernan was increasingly seen as too deferential to NATO. By November, when it became clear that the Europeans would not be sending more troops, senior officials at the Pentagon wanted him to focus on making better use of the existing NATO forces — getting them off bases and involved in counterinsurgency operations. Although McKiernan sought to do that, his superiors thought he was not working fast enough. Of particular concern was the division of the country into five regional commands, each afforded broad autonomy to fight as it pleased.

    “He was still doing the NATO-speak at a time when Gates and Mullen were over it,” a senior military official at the Pentagon said.”

  33. Bilgeman | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:34 pm

    Mr. Sargent:
    “Public Strongly Supports Dem Effort To Open Insurance Industry To Competition”

    Hoo-boy, are you leading these moonbats down the primrose path with THAT headline!

    Funny you didn’t cite bullet point #2 and skipped straight to #3.

    Bullet #2 for those of you who missed it:

    “2* Should employers and individuals buying health insurance be allowed to buy insurance plans across state lines? Or, should they only be allowed to buy plans approved for their state?

    73% Employers and individuals should be allowed to buy insurance plans across state lines

    20% They should only be allowed to buy plans approved for their state

    7% Not sure ”

    So lessee…free competition in an open marketplace, and you’re trying to spin this as a Democratic proposal?

    Pushing the bounds of credulity, ain’t ya?

    But in the spirit of bipartisanship, I vote we do BOTH 2 AND 3, because I think they both will work to lower Health Care costs, and thereby make it more affordable.

  34. Baby Hugo | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:38 pm

    But why won’t Dems support efforts to allow health insurance to be sold across state lines (i.e. without the insurer having to kiss the ring with 50 different state departments of insurance)? Answer: because the Democrats are the party of government and government employees. To taxpayers, taxes are a cost; to Democrats and public employees unions, they are the benefit. To the taxpayer, wasting money on employing redundant or useless employees is a bug; to Democrats and their public employee union allies it is a feature.

  35. Liam | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:39 pm

    Get it yet, Right Wing Nut Jobs.

    “The Bush administration opted not to act on McKiernan’s request and instead set out to persuade NATO allies to contribute more troops. With Washington then viewing NATO as the solution — not the problem — McKiernan seemed like the right general to help win over the allies. Before coming to Kabul, he had been the top Army commander in Europe, and he had been part of the NATO mission in the Balkans in the 1990s.”

    Now let us see if The Right Wing Nut Jobs can grasp the fact, that by November of 2008, the Bush/Cheney Admn. had given up on McKiernan. First they refused to listen to him when he asked for 30,000 more Troops for Afghanistan, and then they decided that he was not the man for the job.

    This all took place on the Bush/Cheney watch.

  36. quarterback | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:41 pm

    Liam, your stuff is just so weak.

    Which party made issues of “God, guns, and ****”?

  37. quarterback | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:45 pm

    Oh my gosh! Liam says Bush tried to cooperate with NATO instead of acting unilaterally. Damn that Bush multilateralism! He was a one-worlder for sure.

    Liam, just stop digging. You’re just piling one non sequitur on top of another.

  38. Liam | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:45 pm

    Bush/Cheney refused General McKiernan’s request for 30,000 more Troops in Afghanistan. He asked for them last Summer. That proves that President Obama is telling the truth, and Dick Cheney is lying, as he always does. By November of 2008, Bush/Cheney had given up on General McKiernan. They did not listen to him, when he requested 30,000 more US Troops for Afghanistan, and by November they had decided that he was not the man for the job. This all happened on the Bush/Cheney watch.

    “By late last summer, he decided to tell George W. Bush’s White House what he knew it did not want to hear: He needed 30,000 more troops. He wanted to send some to the country’s east to bolster other U.S. forces, and some to the south to assist overwhelmed British and Canadian units in Helmand and Kandahar provinces.

    The Bush administration opted not to act on McKiernan’s request and instead set out to persuade NATO allies to contribute more troops. With Washington then viewing NATO as the solution — not the problem — McKiernan seemed like the right general to help win over the allies. Before coming to Kabul, he had been the top Army commander in Europe, and he had been part of the NATO mission in the Balkans in the 1990s.

    He deemed management of the alliance in Afghanistan one of his chief responsibilities. He met with an almost daily stream of visiting delegations from European capitals, and he sought to change some of the more Byzantine troop rules.

    But back in Washington, McKiernan was increasingly seen as too deferential to NATO. By November, when it became clear that the Europeans would not be sending more troops, senior officials at the Pentagon wanted him to focus on making better use of the existing NATO forces — getting them off bases and involved in counterinsurgency operations. Although McKiernan sought to do that, his superiors thought he was not working fast enough. Of particular concern was the division of the country into five regional commands, each afforded broad autonomy to fight as it pleased.

    “He was still doing the NATO-speak at a time when Gates and Mullen were over it,” a senior military official at the Pentagon said.”

  39. quarterback | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:48 pm

    How does this work, Liam, you keep cutting and pasting your boilerplate stuff, and I keep cutting and pasting my response? Makes perfect sense in your world, I guess. Which is a playground.

  40. Liam | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:49 pm

    Bush/Cheney did not listen to their General in Afghanistan. He requested 30,000 more troops, and they refused his request. They did not support the Troops in the field.

    Bush/Cheney left our Troops in Afghanistan unprotected, by Dick Cheney’s own standards.

    Quarterbrain can not handle the truth, so now he goes off grasping at NATO straw.

    The General asked for more Trops, and Bush/Cheney did not listen to him.

    Suck on it, Quarterbrain, you two faced piece of excrement.

  41. Liam | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:50 pm

    The General asked for more Troops, and Bush/Cheney did not listen to him.

    Suck on it, Quarterbrain, you two faced piece of excrement.

  42. quarterback | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:52 pm

    Say, Bilgey’s and Hugo’s posts are kind of embarrassing amplifications of my first one, aren’t they?

    Why is it that Dems don’t support removing the actual barrier to competition, i.e., the de jure bar against interstate competition? Just removing the so-called antitrust exemption probably won’t do anything but raise costs.

  43. Liam | October 22nd, 2009 at 03:53 pm

    Bush/Cheney did not listen to their General in Afghanistan. He requested 30,000 more troops, and they refused his request. They did not support the Troops in the field.

    Bush/Cheney left our Troops in Afghanistan unprotected, by Dick Cheney’s own standards.

  44. Bilgeman | October 22nd, 2009 at 04:12 pm

    quarterback:
    “Say, Bilgey’s and Hugo’s posts are kind of embarrassing amplifications of my first one, aren’t they?”

    It’s amazing to watch their “Doublethink Memory Hole” in action real time isn’t it?

    (I’m re-re-re-reading “Nineteen Eighty-Four” on my snazzy new Sony Reader).

    If they have no programming on how to respond to it,a post just goes sailing through the vacuum between their ears and hurtling out into cyberspace like an interplanetary probe or something.

  45. ChuckinDenton | October 22nd, 2009 at 04:18 pm

    “Democrats are the party of government and government employees”. I honestly don’t know WTF this means.
    You should tell that to my sister who got paid nicely for working for Shrub and all the City employees here who I can *assure you* are faaaar from librul and wouldn’t vote for a Democrat for dog catcher.

  46. Liam | October 22nd, 2009 at 04:21 pm

    At Last The Truth Is Revealed.

    The Reason Why The Taliban Have Come Back So Strong In Afghanistan Is:

    During the Summer of 2008, General McKiernan requested 30,000 more Troops, in order to keep The Taliban from becoming a growing Presence in Afghanistan.

    Bush/Cheney turned him down flat. It was Bush/Cheney that allowed the Taliban to Mushroom once more in Afghanistan.

    Bush/Cheney did not listen to their General in Afghanistan. He requested 30,000 more troops, and they refused his request. They did not support the Troops in the field.

    Bush/Cheney left our Troops in Afghanistan unprotected, by Dick Cheney’s own standards.

    Bush/Cheney did not dither, or listen to Their General in Afghanistan. They just said no to him, and made it easy for The Taliban to spread through out the country.

  47. quarterback | October 22nd, 2009 at 04:22 pm

    Bilgeman,

    Indeed, or they just ignore the point and call you a racist, trash Bush, trash Reagan, or some combination thereof. Well, in fairness, I suppose they have more insults and red herrings than that, but that’s the m.o.

    Hanging around here has been an experience in upside-down-land beyond even what I imagined.

  48. Bilgeman | October 22nd, 2009 at 04:42 pm

    quarterback:
    “Indeed, or they just ignore the point and call you a racist, trash Bush, trash Reagan, or some combination thereof.”

    Orwell’s genius had already coined the Newspeak term for this:

    “Quackspeak”

    “Hanging around here has been an experience in upside-down-land beyond even what I imagined.”

    “War is Peace
    Freedom is Slavery
    Ignorance is Strength”

    Orwell was of course writing about Soviet Communists, but it’s astounding how as the moonbats move towards socialism and communism, they begin to resemble the stereotypes.

    Like the pigs in Orwell’s “Animal Farm”.

    Bush/Cheney get to play Farmer Jones/Goldstein.

  49. Liam | October 22nd, 2009 at 04:47 pm

    They can not handle the truth.

    At Last The Truth Is Revealed.

    The Reason Why The Taliban Have Come Back So Strong In Afghanistan Is:

    During the Summer of 2008, General McKiernan requested 30,000 more Troops, in order to keep The Taliban from becoming a growing Presence in Afghanistan.

    Bush/Cheney turned him down flat. It was Bush/Cheney that allowed the Taliban to Mushroom once more in Afghanistan.

    Bush/Cheney did not listen to their General in Afghanistan. He requested 30,000 more troops, and they refused his request. They did not support the Troops in the field.

    Bush/Cheney left our Troops in Afghanistan unprotected, by Dick Cheney’s own standards.

    Bush/Cheney did not dither, or listen to Their General in Afghanistan. They just said no to him, and made it easy for The Taliban to spread through out the country.

  50. leftcoastblue | October 22nd, 2009 at 04:54 pm

    Liam, Mike,

    Please stop calling quarterback “quarterbrain”!!! You are clearly guilty of gross exaggeration. I have read his posts, and I’m pretty sure he has no brain at all.

  51. News Reference | October 22nd, 2009 at 05:09 pm

    Why is it that Dems don’t support removing the actual barrier to competition, i.e., the de jure bar against interstate competition?

    Because the lowest common denominator of regulation happens.

    The corporate-medical-insurance companies are pushing around the entire nation, pushing around the states would be especially easy and that’s what the right wing is salivating for.

    No regulations means No healthcare for anyone who might cost the corporates money.

    Some backwards red state would provide the corporates a hideout to avoid even the most modest, sensible regulations.

    And that backward red state would suddenly be where all of the insurance companies had a P.O. Box so that they could hide from other states modest, sensible regulations.

    Think you live in a decent state that makes sure that your insurance company won’t arbitrarily “rescind” you health insurance?

    Well, not if backwards red states can rewrite your state’s modest regulations.

  52. Bilgeman | October 22nd, 2009 at 05:37 pm

    News Reference:
    “And that backward red state would suddenly be where all of the insurance companies had a P.O. Box so that they could hide from other states modest, sensible regulations.”

    Ahhh, you mean Delaware.

    It’s neither backwards, nor is it Red.

    You walked right into that one.

  53. News Reference | October 22nd, 2009 at 06:27 pm

    Bilgewater admits that ONE STATE RULES because it offers the lowest common denominator of regulation for corporations.

    It’s one thing for corporations to push around one state (which is bad enough) but we’re talking about literally life or death when it comes to corporate-medical-insurance companies.

    That’s why allowing the lowest common denominator to rule all of the other states is a bad idea.

    It means that your state won’t have the right to make choices for itself (which says a lot about Tenthers failure of moral consistency).

  54. quarterback | October 22nd, 2009 at 07:02 pm

    Old News,

    You are staggeringly ignorant of the matters on which you opine. Opening up interstate competition in no way implies stripping states of regulatory power. That is plain idiotic.

  55. News Reference | October 22nd, 2009 at 07:16 pm

    Interstate “competition” means that the state with the fewest regulations has a competitive edge.

    So if a state says that a corporate-medical-insurance company isn’t required to provide an infant who is over the 95th percentile in weight or under the 5th percentile in weight, that company has a competitive advantage that other companies can’t compete with unless they as well deny coverage to overweight and underweight infants.

    It’s the fast road to the worst corporate-medical-insurance coverage that the least regulated state can provide.

    Even bilgewater concedes that one state dominates because it provides the least regulation for corporaticrates.

    But health-coverage is a life or death bet and the right wingers want Americans to trust the card-sharks in the gamble of whether the health-coverage you are paying for will actually be there when you need it.

    The corporate-medical-insurance industry has proven over and over again that they are NOT trustworthy.

    And it’s right wing con artists like bilgewater and nickleback that are the Lucy’s that keep saying “trust me, Charlie Brown.”

    And Americans keep getting their health coverage “rescinded”, pulled out from underneath them when they need it.

    Good grief, Charlie Brown, stop trusting the Lucy Republicans and their apologists.

    Over 44 THOUSAND Americans are dying each year because of right wing policies.

    That number will grow if the right wingers get their way as more than 14 THOUSAND Americans A DAY are losing their health coverage.

    And the Lucy Republicans that push the right wing policies that have been killing Americans for decades are STILL saying “trust us, Charlie Brown.”

    No, the right wing has proven it would chose corporate profits over American lives.

    The right wing is NOT trustworthy.

  56. quarterback | October 22nd, 2009 at 07:51 pm

    News,

    You are a complete idiot. Interstate competition does NOT imply that states cannot regulate business within their own jurisdictions, whether it is conducted intra- or interstate. The “lowest common denominator” scenario is a complete red herring.

    STOP spreading misinformation — and idiotic misinformation at that.

  57. oddjob | October 22nd, 2009 at 07:59 pm

    Ahhh, you mean Delaware.

    It’s neither backwards, nor is it Red.

    Having lived there, I beg to differ. There are three counties in Delaware. The northernmost one, New Castle, is blue, but also pro business. The southern two, Kent & Sussex, are Dixie & even more pro business.

  58. News Reference | October 22nd, 2009 at 08:16 pm

    Hey nickleback, I’ll stop telling the truths you can’t handle when your fellow right wingers stop telling lies that protect predatory corporations that leave thousands of Americans dead every year.

    Even the violent secessionist bilgewater recognizes that ONE STATE’S RULES create the low-bar for regulating a vast majority of corporations in America.

    Unless there is national regulation of the monopolistic corporate-medical-industry, then opening up interstate insurance sales will mean the reduction of even the minimum standards that the corporate-medical-monopolies have to comply with.

  59. Big River Bandido | October 23rd, 2009 at 01:42 am

    Oh, pity the poor insurance companies.

  60. Bilgeman | October 23rd, 2009 at 08:57 am

    oddjob:
    “Having lived there, I beg to differ. There are three counties in Delaware. The northernmost one, New Castle, is blue, but also pro business. The southern two, Kent & Sussex, are Dixie & even more pro business”

    And which of Delaware’s three counties has the largest population?

    New Castle…with your urban centers of Wilmington since the Kent and Sussex are basically farm country and charming beach communities.

    Delaware’s biggest employer is the state government.

    Sorry, Delaware’s a very peculiar little state, much like Maryland,but with only one side on the “I-95 Interstate Liberal Zone”, instead of two; but where it counts, it’s Blue as can be.

    She was one of the non-secessionist slave states, if you can wrap your mind around THAT peculiarity, it shouldn’t surprise you that Delaware is still something of an oddity.

  61. CWC | October 23rd, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    Shorter Cheney: “Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?”

    Also, bilgeman, in the 21st century, in America, it is archaic to use the pronoun “she” in reference to places.

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