What other “liberal” policies are you against, “Steve”?

The liberal policy that criminalizes slavery?

The liberal policy that allows women to vote?

The liberal policy that won’t allow child labor?

And while independents and moderates now accept all of those liberal policies as mainstream, it wasn’t very long ago that those were crazy radical left wing ideas.

Speaking as a lifelong independent, I celebrate the left wing policies of clean air, safe water, pure foods, safe products, women’s right to vote, the abolition of slavery, and the prohibition of child labor.

And not only did right wingers historically fight against each of those liberal, government mandated protections, the right wing, to this day, would destroy those protections.

Liberals depend on deception to maintain power. Note that Kerry’s “nuance” was actually contortions to avoid stating his true opinions, which he knew would reduce him to Mondale status if stated forthrightly.

Except in a few liberal enclaves, liberals politicians must camoflauge their true opinions. Obama correctly identified himself as s Trojan horse in his acceptance speech. He mostly presented himself as a moderate, which he assuredly is not, yet some of you bizarrely and against all evidence consider him excessively moderate!

Note that liberal politicians will generally deny being liberal and true moderates hotly deny being liberals. However, moderates rarely object to being called conservatives (except in a few states now circling the drain) and conservatives are quite proud to be labelled conservatives. Why is that?

Finally, the term “liberal” historically should properly be applied to those who support the traditional American attitude of stoutly resisting giving excessive power to the government, the only entity capable of denying or restricting liberty, the root word for liberal. A necessary corollary to avoiding the danger of overweening government is supporting the diffusion of economic power to many centers by supporting a capitalist economic system. All other economic systems necessarily enhance the power of government.

You so-called “liberals” are actually statist “progressives.” You are anti-liberal because you lobby ceaselessly to increase the power of government (note the barely half-hearted liberal fight against Obama’s renditions, war, and security surveillance). Despite your self-congratulations of moral superiority, you are often acting in your own self interest. You are liberals most often because you suck at the government *** directly as employees or indirectly as members of groups subsidized by the rest of us, including “arts” and other subsidized groups, members of unions that would no longer exist without government support of industries you long ago crippled (e.g., steel, automobiles, railroads, etc.) or as employees of rent-seeking companies. You also include students who have never had to hold down a real job and hope to work for the government some day where you will devote yourself to “service,” not to mention incredibly generous retirements and medical care.

You progressives are generally willfully ignorant of the often vile history of your own movement, which includes the wholly owned subsiderary eugenics movement (Margaret Sanger and almost all prominent progressives supported it as a way to reduce and improve the black “stock”), and the re-segregation of America through the Jim Crow laws (vigorously supported by Woodrow Wilson, an ardent racist). Even minimum wage laws were explicitly proposed and supported as a way to price black workers out of union jobs. Yes, some laws passed because of progressives were good things, but the amount of ugliness mixed in was and is appalling.

Middle America distrusts you and fears you if you have influence because your goals are counter to the interests of the great majority. Since you will never be a majority or lead the majority by stating your goals clearly, you act by manipulation of the system (e.g., judicial fiats, activist inner circles of influential organizations, etc.) and by claiming to promote interests that are only vehicles for your true goals (the public option as stalking horse for a government run system).

Under incredibly favorable circumstances, your hero won with 53%, a pittance compared to the landslides of Nixon, Reagan, and Bush I. I predict that Obama will match the landslides of Mondale and Dukakis in his reelection bid.

Even George McGovern discovered that those whining companies were right about government paperwork and excessive regulation when he tried to run a business. It would do the rest of you good to have the same experience with the reality you wish to impose on the rest of us. Perhaps the rapidly approaching collapse of government finances will ultimately save this country by liberating you from your opium.

if Independents liked liberal policies, they wouldn’t be independent, would they? They’re in the middle for a reason, they don’t like most of what either side pushes. And the more you try to force them eat your menu, the more they’ll rebel and vote with the side that isn’t trying to cram stuff down their throat.

The problem is that the right wing is so extreme that it completely distorts the political dial (and let’s be clear, there is NO realistic “far left” in America, that’s just a fantasy of right wing extremists that didn’t get the memo that the Wall fell).

On the right side however, check who the extreme right wing in America are represented by: Anti-American secessionists who want to tear America apart by force.

And that’s not “fringe” right wingers that advocate anti-American right wing secessionism, it includes the current Republican Governor of Texas and also the husband of the former Republican Vice Presidential Candidate.

Core Republican leaders and right wing followers are now openly advocating for the destruction of America.

This blog has it’s very own anti-American secessionist: “Bilgeman”.

Less extreme, but still crazy extreme: Some extreme right wingers within the Republican Party want to dismantle things like the FDA, which is the government agency that literally keeps corporations from selling rat meat in their cheeseburgers and regulates certain basic standards of hygiene for the food corporations sell you.

By that extreme right-wing standard, anyone that wants to deny corporations the “right” to sell you rat meat as hamburger is now “far left”.

By that right wing measure, all of the moderates and independents that want to prevent corporations from selling rat meat as hamburger are “far left”.

And yes, “sigh”, there really were corporations that used to legally sell rat meat as hamburger, and then those darn “far left” liberals had the radical idea of denying corporations that “right”.

Snark alert:

But don’t worry, libertarians are at the forefront of the right wing’s movement to eliminate pesky things like the FDA’s restriction on corporation’s “right” to sell you rat meat as hamburger.

And there’s nothing like pre-19th century standards of sanitation to cut expenses for corporate-food industries.

And once the right wing eliminate all of those pesky trial-lawyers the consumers of rotten rat meat won’t be able to sue those noble corporations any more.

/snark

If you think otherwise I suggest you go learn a bit more about American history before coming back to argue again.

You really don’t know what you’re talking about.

The second & third generation kids are no better. I can’t imagine what my viscerally WOP immigrant hating grandparents would have made out of today’s immigrant haters being led by someone whose surname ends in a vowel (Tancredo)!

“I ate a corporate cheeseburger from Burger King.” See now I sound like someone struggling for workers’ rights! Yes!

I don’t see that the one thing leads to the other, necessarily. How do you know that liberal policies will turn the Independents away? How do any of us know that? Liberal government kept FDR in office for 11 years.

I haven’t been watching cspan much lately, but I used to love watching the Thirty-something Working Group (Meek, Wasserman-Schultz and Tim Ryan (OH))…… Great stuff.

For the longest time everybody ceded the seat to Crist…including high profile Dems…but now with the Palin purge and Rubio it’s a new ballgame.

and you’re not going to do that by pushing policies they oppose. remember, they’re not like you, if they were, they wouldn’t be independent, would they?

just as the hard right has to temper their desire to push their agenda on people who don’t want it, so too do liberals. you can be pure or you can win elections, you can’t do both.