Happy Hour Roundup
* The CBO score has landed! The Senate bill will cost $849 billion over the next decade, getting over a key Obama hurdle; cuts the deficit by $127 billion; covers 31 million people.
* Early cautionary words from Jonathan Cohn and Ezra Klein, who adds that it cuts $650 billion in the second decade.
* It reportedly includes a public option with an opt-out, which means Reid can’t be too worried that the provision will scuttle the effort to get 60 votes to move the bill to a debate.
* Health care news coming fast and furious: Senator Ben Nelson tentatively suggests he may, just may, be able to support bringing the health care bill to a debate.
* David Kurtz is not particularly impressed.
* Between the score and Nelson, it’s looking like a foregone conclusion that the health care bill will, in fact, proceed to a debate, but let’s not lose sight of the incredible fragility of the Democratic majority.
* Tiny Illinois town begs to be sent Guantanamo detainees. Maybe Rudy should go talk some sense into those small-town folks, who clearly don’t understand the nature of the threat.
* Obama at 50% or below in two national polls: Quinnipiac and Gallup.
* Conservative filibuster veterans marvel to Dave Weigel about the inability of the Obama crew to get their nominees through.
* The ACLU seems prepared to give Obama breathing room on his announcement that the closure of Guantanamo will be delayed. The ACLU’s statement noted that the news is “troubling” but added that it’s important that the closure is “done right.”
* And a new talking point alert! GOP Rep Marsha Blackburn, on the new recommendations against mammograms for women under 50: “This is how rationing begins.”
Got anything else? Tons of news will be dribbling out tonight on the Senate health care bill. If you see any good stuff, let us know!
Update: It looks like the Senate bill has language restricting taxpayer-funding of abortions, but eschews the Stupak language. Obviously, more detail needed.
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We did all the fighting, and dying, and spending in Iraq, and China just walked right in and grabbed up a lot of huge Oil Contracts. In fact, we borrowed the money from China to wage the Iraq war. Now China gets the oil, and we have to pay back the money to them that we borrowed to secure the oil for China.
Now the same thing is being repeated in Afghanistan.
Read this report and be prepared to throw up.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091118/ap_on_go_ot/us_afghanistan_minister_bribed/print
“WASHINGTON – A senior Afghan official allegedly took a $20 million bribe to steer a copper mining project to a Chinese company, a glaring example of the claims of corruption clouding the Obama administration’s deliberations over expanding the U.S. commitment in Afghanistan.
In Washington, two U.S. officials familiar with intelligence reports said that Afghanistan’s minister of mines, Muhammad Ibrahim Adel, allegedly accepted the money soon after the $3 billion contract was awarded in late 2007 to China Metallurgical Group Corp.
The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue. The payment to Adel was apparently made in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, said one of the U.S. officials. Dubai, just a three-hour flight from Kabul, has long been viewed as hub for illicit cash transactions, according to an August report by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.”
I’ve got something else…
POLITICS OVER COUNTRY SUCKS!
just added a new link: looks like the stupak language is NOT in the Senate bill, tho more detail obviously needed
“This is how rationing begins.””
O for the love of god – they’ve gone back and forth on that for years now.
Greg
I thought the Stupak Sepsis Ammendment, or something similar would have to be added as an ammendment and need 60 votes to be added. I thought the real threat in the Senate would come later during conference, no?
Obama is NOT below 50% in the Gallup poll. The Gallup poll has him at 50% approval with 42% not approve.
The Independent Panel that recommended that Women wait until the age 50 before getting routine mammograms, consist of people who President George W. Bush appointed, and contains no members appointed by President Obama.
So much for the Republicans trying to tie that panel’s recommendations to President Obama’s Health Care Reform.
It is a Bush appointed Panel that made the recommendation.
Beat those lying Republican scumbags over the head, over and over, with that truth.
It is a George W. Bush appointed panel. Spread the truth.
Gallup changes daily just 2 days ago he was at 53. He will go up again and we wont have the oh he is below 50 freak outs we go through periodically. All other polls out this week have him solidly at 53-56 range.
Apparently Reid worked on the Abortion language in the bill without embracing Stupak, so we’ll see what they came up with. Hatch is going to introduce an ammendment though.
“Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), who supports abortion rights, said Reid’s new provisions would preserve the Hyde amendment while enabling people to buy insurance plans with abortion coverage on the exchange.”
Liam, it’s not surprising for them to claim rationing even though it isn’t true in regards to either the bill or Obama. It’s what they always do and get as much traction as possible. Sounds a little like Palin’s coin theory.
Cmon, getting the debate started won’t be the problem. Heck even the republicans WANT the debate. They know they’re irrelevant and all they have left will be the many tantrums they will have on the Senate floor.
I’m really trying to ignore SP but I read everything Bob Cesca writes and post them here. You’ll like this one Liam.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/famous-for-being-famous-t_b_362934.html
Maybe the onion can use this, since it is clear now that the teabaggers are right that the president is killing our country and extinguishing capitalism.
“It took Wall Street just one year to make its way back to record profits.
According to a report released Tuesday by the comptroller of New York State, Thomas P. DiNapoli, Wall Street is turning around “much faster than expected” and is on pace to pull in record earnings this year. “
Stupak’s amendment will be stripped out in conference. At least we can remove that dead rodent from his head.
Andy
I told Freehold not to convert to cash.
At Insimca,
Did you know that Sarah Palin has lost almost all her hair. She said that she lost most of it last year. I had forgotten about that until I saw clips of her from the Oprah interview, on the late night shows.
That wig that she is wearing looks like an unrinsed roadhouse floor mop. With all the money that she is taking in, surely she could have someone pickout a better wig.
If you look on this video clip from her Turkey pardon episode last year, you can see how the front of her head is almost completely bald.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYxn2vlhtWo
One of Dave’s, or his writers best Palin quips:
“Sarah Palin’s book is big, 400 pages. She wrote the book herself and agonized over every word, and so will you.” –David Letterman
lmsinca
Don’t remind me, I am still jealous of your investment timing. Mine was not so good.
Andy, we were lucky in the market but our real estate investments still went down, luckily they’re free and clear and we have a little time before we would want to sell anything.
If we were 10 years younger we’d buy another house right now, my son got a great deal on a foreclosure, I’m trying to get him to buy another one but he’s too chicken. We’ve had a couple of nightmare tenants so I probably scared him away.
“Obama at 50% or below in two national polls: Quinnipiac and Gallup.”
Actually that is three national polls. Oh, I forgot, you don’t count Rasmussen, one of the most accurate pollsters in the United States, because he has a history of being right about the Democrats. This site makes the cherry-picking of polls an art-form.
The Obama Record: Record unemployment, record deficits, no legislative accomplishments.
“The Independent Panel that recommended that Women wait until the age 50 before getting routine mammograms, consist of people who President George W. Bush appointed, and contains no members appointed by President Obama.”
Figures.
Republicans always blame other people for what they’ve done.
Right wingers NEVER hold themselves accountable for what they’ve done.
Republicans failed to win the Afghanistan war despite their being in charge for over seven years, but the guy who comes in to clean up their mess is the one Republicans blame even though he hasn’t been in charge for even a full year yet.
The 2007 Great Recession that began under Republican President Bush Republicans now blame on the guy who wasn’t in charge until 2009.
The gigantic corporate bailout that Republican President Bush engineered in 2008 Republicans … say it with me … now blame on the guy who wasn’t in charge until 2009.
Republicans always blame other people for what they, themselves, have done.
“Sarah Palin’s book is big, 400 pages. She wrote the book herself and agonized over every word, and so will you.” –David Letterman
I figured he was too busy sexually harassing employees to read the book. He is obviously so practiced in his infidelity and lechery that he needs a minimum of time to do it.
The Obama Record: Record unemployment, record deficits, no legislative accomplishments.
“Republicans always blame other people for what they’ve done.
Right wingers NEVER hold themselves accountable for what they’ve done.”
Never? Do you ever think about what you write before you write it, or do you delight in the fact that you are a hyperpartisan idiot?
The Obama Record: Record unemployment, record deficits, no legislative accomplishments.
“Stupak’s amendment will be stripped out in conference”
Firstly, this bill isn’t going to get to a conference as written now. I and several others will make sure of that. Secondly at least a handful of people will vote against it in the House of such is the case. The bill only passed the House by two votes. You do the math. Oh, wait, you probably can’t seeing as how you really aren’t all that bright.
Honestly, you gotta love the Dems on here who live in their own fantasy land and completely disregard the various Senators and House Rep. who have stated on numerous occasions how happy they would be to send health care “reform” down in flames if the Stupak Amendment is stripped. Reid doesn’t even know if he has enough f’ing votes to proceed and you people want amendments stripped out practically guaranteeing this thing won’t pass, which, if it has a public option it won’t, and I will make sure of that.
The Obama Record: Record unemployment, record deficits, no legislative accomplishments.
“Republicans always blame other people for what they’ve done”
That is pretty fuc**** hilarious coming from someone who blames every single thing that has happened during the past ten months on the past president. Evidently Bush made the Dems pass a stimulus bill that was a pork-laden failure. Evidently Bush made Obama stand back and do absolutely nothing until unemployment hit double digits. Evidently Bush made Obama disregard, for months, the advice of his generals. Evidently Bush made Obama spend record amounts of money, causing the deficit to rise to record amounts in the process. No one outside the people who want to fellat* the president falls for such bull anymore.
The Obama Record: Record unemployment, record deficits, record number of bows before the unelected.
“The ACLU seems prepared to give Obama breathing room on his announcement that the closure of Guantanamo will be delayed. The ACLU’s statement noted that the news is “troubling” but added that it’s important that the closure is ‘done right.’”
Translation: We are partisan hacks who attacked the Bush administration for political reasons and we really don’t care what Obama does because he has a D behind his name.
Hey, that sounds just the slavish partisan toadying that occurs on this site.
The Obama Record: Record unemployment, record deficits, no legislative accomplishments.
lmsinca,
Yeah, real estate can be tough. I was at a conference yesterday where I heard a “conservative” NAHB economist talk about the housing market. He said the housing market and prices will bounce back nicely but it’s going to take some time.
Hey “Joe” — go EFF yourself, din*gleberry. ‘k?
“It reportedly includes a public option with an opt-out, which means Reid can’t be too worried that the provision will scuttle the effort to get 60 votes to move the bill to a debate.”
Please, quit playing this up as some huge victory. Everyone here knew this thing would reach the floor. Even I stated I would not vote filibuster the beginning of debate. However, it is the final vote that matters, and I think we all know, given my promise and the word of others, that a public option will not pass.
What words am I talking about? These:
Ben Nelson:
“The vote is the second cloture vote, and that is the cloture on a motion to cease debate, and I wanted that clear, because I’ve already begun to see people out there say, ‘oh no, no, if you vote [to take it up] you’ve voted for health care”
Mary Landrieu:
“And then the third piece is I understand proponents of a public option think it’s a must have to keep the insurance industry honest. I want to reform the insurance industry, I do not want to eliminate them. And if we are not careful on this public option piece, you could eliminate private insurance. And that’s not what we want to do.”
Her words obviously indicate she is not one of the proponents of the public plan.
Tom Carper:
“We’re concerned that a number of centrists aren’t prepared to vote for a national public plan, even with an opt-out.”
Tom Carper again:
“We’re trying to find something that addresses their concern about government run, government-funded, but still addresses the need for the affordability needs and the need for more competition in states that don’t have it.”
Me:
The public option plan is unnecessary. It has been put forward, I’m convinced, by people who really want the government to take over all of health insurance. If the public option plan is in there, as a matter of conscience, I will not allow this bill to come to a final vote.”
You people better prepare yourself for the fact this bill will not include the public option.
“Hey “Joe” — go EFF yourself, din*gleberry. ‘k?
”
Man, I tell you what. This site has some brilliant debaters.
The Obama Record: Record unemployment, record deficits, no legislative accomplishments.
HEY filibuster boy, I really think you should avoid statements like this:
“Honestly, you gotta love the Dems on here who live in their own fantasy land”
Reposted for the Senator from the State of Aetna Insurance
REPUBLICAN RECORD: BLAMING OTHERS FOR WHAT REPUBLICANS DO.
Republicans smeared America’s military, Republicans recklessly put our troops in harms way, and Republicans are almost always too cowardly to serve.
When General Shinseki told Congress that several hundred thousand troops would be required to invade Iraq, the Republicans smeared him.
Republicans than used corporate-math to under-resource the invasion. (corporate-math: profit-seeking through under-resourcing).
Republicans failed to provide the troops that the Generals requested.
Republicans refused to provide the body armor the Generals requested.
Republicans refused to provide the MRAPs (armored vehicles) that the Generals requested.
Republicans refused to even PLAN for the anticipated problems.
Why? Because planning would have meant recognizing the true costs of the Republican’s Iraq War Lie in both American troops’ blood and the American taxpayer’s treasure.
Republicans deliberately chose NOT to plan for the anticipated cost of lives, deliberately under-resourced the mission of both troops AND resources, and Republicans continued to lie about everything even while Republican lies were getting American troops killed unnecessarily.
And at the same time, cowardly Republicans at home demanded both tax cuts AND war profits.
I wanted to tie two things together. Greg had this in The Morning Plum: “And here’s Wolf Blitzer, promoting a piece that ran on CNN: ‘Jessica Yellin did a very good report in SitRoom on Sarah Palin and her sexuality — the fact that she’s good looking. Did you see it?’” The transcript isn’t up yet but on tonight’s NewsHour, David Frum in an interview with Judy Woodruff said something to the effect that Palin is making her political career by sexualizing herself.
What’s with these comments? It offends me that Republicans think that they can attract women voters by pushing forward women candidates who’re uninformed, dishonest ideologues. It also offends me if there’s going to be a new meme that women shouldn’t hold office simply because they are women. I mean Palin isn’t Carrie Prejean. I don’t see that an occasional wink (no matter how silly) and being attractive and wearing clothes well should be disqualifying. But maybe some Republicans will find this an easier tack to take against Palin if they don’t want her as their presidential candidate? Pathetic really
Reposted for the Senator from the State of Aetna Insurance
REPUBLICAN RECORD: BLAMING OTHERS FOR WHAT REPUBLICANS DO.
Republican Bush’s 2007 Great Recession was the direct result of right wing policies.
Republicans blamed their economic disaster on the other guy.
Republican’s long history of deficit spending goes back decades.
Republican Reagan increased the US debt by 260%.
Republican Reagan, with Bush 1 increased the US debt 400%.
Republican Bush 2 more than DOUBLED the US debt again.
Republicans then blame others for the debt that REPUBLICANS created.
“Republican’s long history of deficit spending goes back decades.
Republican Reagan increased the US debt by 260%.
Republican Reagan, with Bush 1 increased the US debt 400%.
Republican Bush 2 more than DOUBLED the US debt again”
This is freakin hilarious. You can mention Reagan and Bush until the cows come home but it STILL DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT OBAMA HAS INCREASED THE DEFICIT TO AN UNPREDENTED LEVEL. YOu are an absolute idiot if you cannot understand that. Unprecedented means the spending of others has been taken into consideration and he surpasses all of them in his deficit spending. Trying to blame his budget busting bills and failed, pork-laden stimulus on Ronald Reagan is ******* pathetic even for a moron like you.
The Obama Record: Record unemployment, RECORD DEFICITS(GOT IT MORON?), no legislative accomplishments.
Eric Holder in his testimony today gave probably the most inept performance of any AG in memory.
Asked whether there have been any previous cases of enemies captured on the battlefield tried in civilian courts, he looks puzzled as though he has never thought of the question and says he’d have to do the research???
Asked whether, if OBL were captured tomorrow, he would need to be read Miranda rights, he stammers and says, “It depends.”
It depends??? That’s great clarity for our armed forces. Apparently, if a soldier happens to capture OBL he will need to ring up Holder to have them do the research and advise what to so. How in the world could this guy show up to testify and not have the answers to these questions? How in the world could he imagine he could give no answer to the OBL question except “No”?
I saw Holder speak in person once (a lame, partisan trashing of Bush’s DOJ) and concluded he was a shallow lightweight who had scammed his way into positions of respect and power.
Now it is obvious that was that right conclusion. The country is in the hands not only of radicals but inept amateurs, shallow and incompetent hacks.
I really wonder how all the liberals feel about his performance today.
Spencer Ackerman on our limited capabilities in Afghanistan.
“Now, the reason I couldn’t attend Dave’s talk is because I was finishing up this story, about how a 40,000-troop increase in Afghanistan will entail deploying practically every available combat brigade the U.S. has to either Afghanistan or Iraq. There are some ways of mitigating that: there may be a Marine regiment or maybe two ready, but overwhelmingly, the force has to come from the Army. And like Andy Krepinevich told me, there’s nothing that says you can’t go all in — is it really so likely that Iran or North Korea will take advantage of U.S. overstretch? — but it is indeed a gamble. Furthermore, unless you’re going to ask five heavy brigades to become infantry brigades, something that’s been done in Iraq but never Afghanistan, then you’ve only got 31,600 soldiers you could send into Afghanistan available in December. More than 40,000 is really kind of pushing it, particularly if the point is to sustain the escalation for longer than the length of the additional brigades’ tours.”
Even a moron like News Reference can understand pictures(I think):
This graph reinforces the truism that a picture is worth a thousand words:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2009/03/21/GR2009032100104.html
The Obama Record: Record unemployment, record deficits(see the above graph), no legislative accomplishments.
If you choose to view the above graph, please note accompanying text. I will quote it here:
In the first independent analysis, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office concluded that PRESIDENT OBAMA”S BUDGET WOULD RACK UP MASSIVE DEFICITS even after the economy recovers, forcing the nation to borrow nearly $9.3 trillion over the next decade” (emphasis mine).
The Obama Record: Record unemployment, record deficits, no legislative accomplishments.
Right winger Joe Lie bermann is a complete fraud.
Republican Bush’s last budget was OVER A TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT.
If you added up everything that Republican Bush was defrauding US of the last year he was in office it’s more like a TWO TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT.
Republican Math is a FRAUD.
Republican Bush more than DOUBLED the US debt and that doesn’t even include the trillions that his cronies at the Fed were handing Republican Bush’s corporate buddies.
But Republican’s always blame others for their disasters.
A graph of Republican debt:
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
Those giant red lines of debt are from Republicans Reagan, Bush 1, and Bush 2.
As for Obama, he’s trying to recover US from the 2007 Republican Great Recession that still has US teetering on the edge of a Second Republican Great Depression.
NewsIdiot says:
Big deficits under GOP Presidents are horrible and fraudulent.
Vastly bigger deficits and mindboggling spending of even more trillions under Dem Presidents is, take your pick: (a) Great!, or (b) Also the GOP’s fault!
Right winger “quarterback” is either stupid or a con-artist.
EVERY DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT SINCE WORLD WAR II HAS LOWERED AMERICA’S GROSS FEDERAL DEBT AS A PERCENTAGE OF GDP.
Every Republican President since Nixon has RAISED the US debt as a percentage of GDP.
Again, a graph of Republican debt:
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
Those giant red lines of debt are from Republicans Reagan, Bush 1, and Bush 2.
And again, Obama is trying to recover US from the 2007 Republican Great Recession that still has US teetering on the edge of a Second Republican Great Depression.
News ref…
A year ago we were staring at a complete meltdown of our financial system and on a path to the next great depression. Today the recession is behind us and we’re on the road to recovery. I will take that.
Yeah, Obama is really controlling that deficit and debt. LOL
Your “statistic” is meaningless as well, for about 1000 different reasons. But you are just a hyperpartisan hack, so who cares.
“quarterback”, it would be one thing if you just couldn’t do math, but it’s much more insidious than that.
You are clearly smart enough to know that your fraudulent right wing economic system is a Big Lie.
Right wingers have to lie because the truth destroys their false claims.
REPUBLICANS RAISED THE DEBT.
Democratic Presidents lowered the debt.
Democratic President Clinton left a SURPLUS which Republicans promptly squandered.
Republican Bush increased the US debt more than any President in America’s history.
And yet right wing frauds continue to tell the Big Lies because the truth would out them as the con-artists they all are.
The Democratic majority is robust; what is fragile is the majority for the government takeover of healthcare and health insurance. If only more Independents agreed with Michael Moore and Diane Watson about the superiority of the Cuban economic model.
Speaking as an independent with a conservative streak, I’d FAR prefer the superior health outcomes achieved with lower costs of every industrialized country on the planet that doesn’t indulge the corporate-predator-insurance system that leaves more than 44,000 Americans dead every year.
Right wingers choose predatory-corporate-profit over American lives.
Why do right wingers hate Americans?
“Speaking as an independent with a conservative streak,”
Speaking of the BIG LIE.
Right winger “quarterback’s” best buddy is an anti-American secessionist who wants to cut America into little pieces.
Is that what your version of “conservatism” is “quarterback”?
Cutting America into little pieces?
To me that’s treason.
And yet you supported your anti-American buddy and never criticized his desire to destroy America.
You repeatedly had opportunities to defend America and you failed.
Your agenda is clear, “quarterback”, you would destroy America.
That you speak for the right wing is shameful and offensive.
So let’s just mention a couple of the huge flaws in NR’s ridiculous propoganda (by the way, that knucklehead to runs that site is hilarious).
Reagan and Bush I had a Democrat House throughout, and a Dem Senate for half the time (if memory serves) — Dems who of course resisted all efforts to restrain the growth of their decades-long welfare state drunken spree.
Bush I and to an extent Reagan also made a terrible mistake by agreeing to some tax increases, but on the whole the reduction in taxes and limited deregulation let the economy boom . . . .
Which is what Clinton inherited — a lower tax, booming, growing economy. He tried his best to screw it up by raising taxes — and even he admitted he raised them “too much” — and giving us socialist medicine, etc. Luckily for him, though, the public threw out the Dem Congress in 1994, and he had a GOP Congress for the last 6 years which instituted welfare and some other reforms and imposed some restraint on the perpetual Democrat spending machine.
Bush II and the GOP under him definitely should have restrained spending, but instead they largely governed like liberal Democrats on the domestic economic front and just kept right on spending. They didn’t spend as much as the Dems wanted to spend, of course, but they spent too much instead of cutting back when the party finally had a chance.
Of course, having the little problem of al Queda and the war of terrorists on the US — never properly addressed by Clinton — created a whole new set of budget problems for Bush. But he still should have cut domestic spending instead of acting like a liberal.
And of course when Dems took over Congress in 2006, they threw as much liberal big-spending gasoline on the fire as they could.
NR, your claims are bunk for so many reasons, of which these are just a couple.
By the way, how incredibly hypocritical and confused are you and the clown he maintains that website, anyway? I notice that he and apparently you are huge fans of Keynesian economics and deficits to manage the economy, “cause” growth, and respond to slumps. But, strangely, he and you are critical of Reagan and Bush II for deficits, even though both inherited recessions. Indeed, Reegan inherited crushing stagflation and recession. So you and your “guru” should think they did a great job if you hold them responsible for increasing the debt.
But I know, that doesn’t fit your dogma of evil America-hating conservatives versus patriotic Dems who always do the right thing for us.
What a clown you are.
The poisonous socialism you represent IS what is destroying America, NR, and we all know that is your goal.
You hate all that America has been and stands for and want it to become a stagnant, dying socialist cesspool of envy, resentment, redistrubution, and punishment of success. You hate freedom and liberty. You hate those who save, invest, build, and create jobs and economic growth. You in general hate your fellow man and seek to steal whatever he creates for yourself.
You’re nothing but a resentful, envious thief. That is all the liberal economic theories you espouse are about. They have nothing to do with economic growth or prosperity. Everyone knows they destroy growth and prosperity.
Why do you hate America, “quarterback”?
You ally yourself with right wing secessionists who want to cut America into little pieces, you support war crimes, you advocate for torture, and you lie about what the right wing has done to our nation.
Republican Ronald Reagan’s “Voodoo Economics” sold out America. Republican’s economic frauds opened up our borders to Communist Chinese slave labor, handed China our American manufacturing base (along with millions of American jobs), and Republican’s betrayal even handed the Chinese key American technologies.
Right wingers like “quarterback” have NO loyalty to America or Americans.
Republicans ALWAYS sell out to the highest bidder, currently that high bidder is the Communist Chinese.
And again:
Republican President Reagan increased the US debt by 260%.
Republicans Reagan and Bush 1 increased the US debt by 400%.
Republican President Bush 2 more than doubled the US debt AGAIN.
But right wingers like “quarterback” never take any responsibility for their actions. It’s not in their nature.
It’s an essential part of the right wing: Right wingers always blame someone else for their crimes.
People, just stop talking to QB and JoeL. It’s pointless. They are likely just smurfs being paid to spam right-wing nonsense. Ignore them.
@Imsinca
“I thought the Stupak Sepsis Ammendment, or something similar would have to be added as an ammendment and need 60 votes to be added. I thought the real threat in the Senate would come later during conference, no?”
Yes, a Stupak-like amendment will have to be added during debate with 60 votes – which means 20 Dems would have to vote for it. I’m not worried.
While the battle in conference is a LITTLE tougher, I’m not too worried there either. Over 40 members of the House have said they won’t vote for HCR if it’s still in there after conference, which beats Stupak’s measly 10 vote threat. Also, several Sen. have stated that it’s unacceptable, and Sen. Reid doesn’t have room to spare.
Whatever the Senate came up with here seems to have both pro-choice and conservadems content…it appears likely, for now, that it will carry over to the final bill.
Failing to address the persistent falsehoods by right wingers like “quarterback” and “Joe Lie bermann” hasn’t worked these last 30+ years.
Right wingers lie, corporate-media amplifies those lies, and citizens get conned into voting for Republican con-artists.
Result:
Republican economic frauds handed Communist China our manufacturing base, sold out American jobs, ran up the US debt by trillions and trillions, and eventually corrupted the entire global economic system so badly that we were on the edge of a Second Republican Great Depression.
BBQ…
I agree with you on Stupak. I also agree with the president that this is not an abortion bill and it should not and will not change the status quo.
You have to wonder with the end of the year deadline pretty much off the table, does that make Reid’s threat last night of reconciliation more palatable. Reconciliation has always been seen as the messy path that would take longer.
Shumer said last night that Senate floor debate will begin the week after Thanksgiving.
Morning roundup posted:
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/afghanistan/the-morning-plum-15/
As always you arena real encyclopedia of specific facts NR. (not). Liberalism is killing our economy and country. You hate America and it’s people.
“Liberalism” saved capitalism from it’s own excesses twice, once during the Republican Great Depression and again, now, during the Republican 2007 Great Recession.
What right winger “quarterback” fanatically supports is predatory capitalism.
What the vast majority of liberals support is sensibly regulated capitalism.
Right winger “quarterback’s” fraudulent and predatory economic system pushed both our nation’s financial system AND the global economic system to the brink of a Second Republican Great Depression.
The only thing that saved capitalism was the same liberal (left-wing) economics that pulled US out of the Great Depression.
Right winger’s predatory capitalism destroys wealth.
Left winger’s regulated capitalism CREATES wealth.