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Exclusive: Robust Public Option Lacks Votes To Pass House, Internal Whip Count Document Shows
The House Dem leadership has conducted its preliminary whip count and has tallied up less than 200 likely Yes votes in support of a health care reform bill with a robust public option, well short of the 218 needed for passage, according to an internal whip count document I’ve obtained.
The document — compiled by the office of House leader James Clyburn — was distributed privately at a meeting between Clyburn and House progressives today where the fate of the public option was the subject of some contentious debate, with liberals demanding that House leaders push harder to win over votes.
Clyburn spokesperson Kristie Greco would only say: “We currently do not have the votes for a robust public option.”
Health care reformers are eagerly awaiting the House vote count numbers on the robust public option — which would reimburse providers at Medicare rates plus five percent — because a House bill with a strong public option would increase the of leverage House leaders in upcoming conference negotiations with Senate leaders over the final bill. The exact count has been hotly debated in political circles since last week.
Clyburn told the assembled members at the meeting that the leadership does not have the votes to pass the robust public option, according to a House progressive familiar with the meeting. That sparked aggressive pushback from liberals, who argued that leadership — and the White House — should be working harder to win over the remaining votes the bill needs.
The document shows that 47 House Dems are committed No votes, and eight are Leaning No, for a total of 55. That means of 256 House Dems, just under 200 remain, and a dozen of those are listed as undecided. The bill needs 218 votes for passage.
House progressives argue that the document should light a fire under Dem leaders. One House progressive tells me he’s convinced that most of the undecideds, and a number of the No votes, can be won over with the right mix of pressure and incentives — which only the House leadership and the White House can provide.
“Only leadership and the White House can get this done,” this progressive says. The time would appear to be now…
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My view is that if a robust public option can’t pass, the correct compromise is medicare rates + 5% and an opt out clause. The opt out isn’t that important so long as the public option will charge much lower premia than private insurance. States that opt out will opt back in, maybe after throwing the optouters (opters out ?) out of office.
If both house and Senate go level playing field/bargained rates that’s it. Conference committees did all sorts of things back when the Republicans were in power IOKIYAR, but it is not OK if you are a Democrat.
I think it is key that the House leadership hold the line on linking to medicare rates. Opt out would be a small price to pay.
Greg,
Follow the money!. Can you look into how much money Insurance Companies have contributed to Joe Leiberman?
Connect The Dots.
After Senator Reid announced his Public Option with Opt-Out, bill, yesterday;
Health Insurance Stocks plummeted.
Joe Lieberman announces today that he would not support the Reid Bill.
Health Insurance Stocks Soar in prices.
Senator Joe Lieberman from Connecticut; a state where many large Insurance Companies are based.
Connect The Dots.
Hoyer is not yet willing to say that a PO with negotiated rates has 218 votes:
“Hoyer asks rhetorically “What additional numbers can you add by going to negotiated rates?…[W]e don’t have that exact number. But certainly there are people who want the negotiated rates who would add themselves to the number [that support a robust public option] that is anywhere between 200 and 218 at this point in time.”
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/hoyer-house-bill-very-possibly-unveiled-this-week.php?ref=fpb
Agreed, a stronger public option with the ability for recalcitrant states to opt out is preferable to a weak public option with no opt out. Once we get the system up and working, and it proves to be successful, the opt out will solve itself. If we do it wrong and reform gets undone then we have accomplished naught.
Greg
Aren’t they still waiting for the CBO score on both the medicare+5 and the negotiated rates PO? Wonder if that would sway any back in favor of the more robust PO.
No one ever said this was going to be easy. It’s time for Reid, Pelosi and Obama to earn their pay. Let the strong arming begin!
In both houses of congress there are no Republican votes for real reform, so this is just between Democrats.
In both houses, very large majorities of Democrats are demanding a Public Option. The number of Democrats that do not support it are a tiny minority of the Democrats.
The vast majority of Democrats in both house should hold fast; and demand a Public Option or no bill at all. Play hard ball. You have the numbers. Do not let the tiny minority push you around. Put them on the spot. Make them cast their votes, and let us see how many are really willing to commit political suicide, by voting with the Republicans to kill reform. Call their bluff. Do not fold. You have the vast majority of your caucuses. They are the ones who are out of step. Do not give in to them. You hold the very strong hands. They hold very weak hands. Play your cards. Do not toss them in.
lmsinca
Medi+5 and Neg. Rates have both been scored by CBO:
Medi+5
According to the CBO, a robust public option could save $110B/10yrs, lower premiums by 10%.
Neg Rates
According to the CBO, the option would save $25B/10yrs but would not lower premiums within the exchange
courtesy wonk room
http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/10/26/reid-opt-out/
@lmsinca: I need to apologize. I earlier said that the PO with negotiated rates would result in lower premiums – 10%. I was wrong – the level playing field PO won’t lower premiums at all.
Thanks Clarice-What are they stupid?
This is what I was waiting for:
Insurance Stocks Plunged As Reid Announced Public Option, Spiked After Lieberman Vowed To Filibuster It
Yet this afternoon, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) broke with the Democratic caucus that he is a member of and vowed to join a Republican-led filibuster if the public option is not removed from the bill. In response, insurance company stocks — which plummeted Monday as Reid made his announcement — shot up after Lieberman made his announcement around 1:30 pm:
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Insurance giant Aetna, represented by the blue line above, fared the best among all of the health insurance companies. Aetna is based in Hartford, CT. It is also the tenth largest single private contributor to Lieberman’s re-election committee.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/27/insurance-stocks-lieberman/
This is what I read at The Hill today, that’s why I thought they were still waiting for CBO scores.
“Pelosi has stood by her personal preference for a public option tied to “Medicare plus five percent,” saying that the Congressional Budget Office has preliminarily scored it as the biggest cost-saver.”
“But she asked the CBO to produce more complete scores on both versions. House leaders, as well as important blocs of Democrats in the House, continue to wait for those scores.”
“A Hoyer aide said Tuesday that CBO scores would be due before leaders could introduce their final bill.”
Semi OT Just watched “Milk” last night on cable. His genius was in convincing **** to come out so that every American would then realize we all know and have gay friends…making the issue far more personal and less abstract.
If Obama/Dems/Progressives had stayed as on message as Faux News with a steady stream of easy to find (today OFA emailed me their top 20) stories of people who have been screwed by the Insurance companies this would have been a slam dunk. Today I talked to one of my very conservative friends who was quick to point out that the Insurance companies ARE the problem. It’s not just Dems that understand the current system sucks.
While I think Obama has won the fight with his rope a dope strategy…I can’t help but wonder if he had just come out of the gate illustrating what Insurance companies do on a daily basis (rationing for profit) and forgetting about Olympia Snowe/Grasssley and the rest it might have been easier. Ahhhh but he’s Prez and I’m a simple blogger…all’s well that end’s well and nobody but an absolute idiot can say he didn’t try to work with insurance and their repub/dem stooges in the beginning of this process.
I know Ethan, and here we go again. Let’s just sign over all our property and life savings to the big insurers, what we have left anyway.
Seriously folks…I don’t wish to engage in ad hominem attacks…but I really do wonder if Joe Leiberman has a conscience?
liam, the only health insurance company headquartered in conn. is Aetna.
lmsinca.
yes. but another problem I see is too many of theml see themselves as Masters of the Electoral universe where everything is to be gamed –
I would have less trouble believing Rep Clyburn on these ‘numbers’ if he weren’t the one busy shopping Daschle’s precious ‘pilot programs’ 2 wks ago. Leadership wants to weaken it – in hopes of pleasing Corp donors in 2010 ?? but just a few more arms twisted and a WH thumb on the scale, and we’ve got a Robust PO in the House – so why go backwards ?
Mike, Thanks. Aetna is a big player, and of course being a member of AHIP it can influence other members to funnel a lot more financial support to Senator Joe.
Clarice
We definitely need the medicare+5 in the house, I agree. It’s time for some real arm twisting.
BTW everyone here’s a quote from Lieberman in campaign mode in 2006.
“I have long supported the goal of universal health care,” Lieberman told reporters. “Ned Lamont can talk about it. I’ve been doing something about it all the time I’ve been here.”
“In reality, Lieberman has a long record of killing health care reform, opposing reform bills since the beginning of the Clinton Administration. But when his job security was threatened in 2006, he stepped up as a “strong supporter” of universal health care.”
Which industry do we think the Obama Administration will decide to destroy next? Love to hear those conversations in the West Wing.
Keep urging the large majority of Democratic Senators and Congress Reps. to hold their ground for the Public Option.Tell them to not let the small amount of hold outs push them around.
A Bill without a Public Option is not going to hold down costs. Let them know, that we will settle for nothing less that real reform, with a strong public option. They are the vast majority, so they should put the small gang of hold outs on the spot. Force them to cast their votes. Do not let them get their way, without even paying a price for it.
Is Leiberman lying…stupid…or just another insurance industry prostitute?
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/27/hey-reporters-it-might-be-worth-pointing-out-lieberman-is-wrong-or-lying/
mike
But Conn. has the highest concentration of insurance jobs in the United States.
“Connecticut has the highest U.S. concentration of insurance jobs, with the industry accounting for about 64,000 jobs as of June 2009, according to the state’s labor department. That’s down 23 percent from the 83,000 jobs in 1990, although the state projects a slow growth of 4 percent through 2014. The state is home to 72 insurance headquarters, with three times the U.S. average of insurance jobs as a percent of total state employment. The state’s unemployment rate currently stands at 8.6 percent.”
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/64671-lieberman-health-bill-concern-not-based-on-states-insurers
Kelly,
What Industries are you talking about. The Republicans and their Robber Baron Patrons shipped most of them to China and India, and left the remainder in financial meltdowns.
Time for you to go see a Proctologist to get your stupid head pulled out of your Arse.
@Robert Waldmann
That’s been my arguement this whole time. The opt out is a bargaining chip for a stronger version of the public option. Though I still think progressives should demand it be open to everyone if there’s an opt out.
And the thing I truly don’t understand is…do these people in the house not realize that whatever they send to the committee is likely going to get watered down when it’s merged with the Senate bill?
If they put in a medicare +5% plan in, then they can likely get a negotiated rate as a compromise and keep some of the other progressive aspects that they might otherwise lose. Are they so stupid that they don’t realize that the whole point is to give their leadership a stronger hand in the negotiations – as opposed to conceeding power to the Senate? You’d think the House vs. Senate power struggle would be enough to swap over some of those “no” votes.
Turns out the Sudan Lobbyist — scumbag — who just got popped on a multiple-count indictment…..
…was a big Republican donor. Gave >$15,000 to the RNC in 2000
http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/robert-cabelly.asp?cycle=00
Kelly
If he were trying to destroy the Health Insurance Industry we’d be campaigning for Medicare for all right now. We’re just trying to get a little help out here, so please don’t start the Obama is a socialist refrain.
Republican Lobbyist for the Govt of SUDAN Is Said to Violate Sanctions
A U.S. lobbyist has been charged with violating Sudanese sanctions regulations, acting as an unregistered agent of a foreign power, money laundering, passport fraud and making false statements, the Justice Department said on Tuesday.
Robert Cabelly, 61, a former State Department employee and the managing director of a Washington, D.C., consulting firm, was charged in an eight-count indictment that was unsealed and announced on Tuesday.
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/10/27/world/international-us-usa-sudan-lobbyist.html?_r=1&hp
The State Dept under GWB had this to say when confronted with a letter from Republican congressman Frank Wolf over the lobbying effort of a country that supports genocide of its own people:
“we believed that Robert Cabelly, in advising the Sudanese Government, would provide a perspective on U.S. concerns and policy that would be useful in advancing the peace process and resolving the crisis in Darfur.”
Heckuva job Condi!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/25/AR2005102501538.html
Joe Leiberman is a turncoat and a chameleon. He’s not and never will be a true Democrat!. He’s in the pockets of the Connecticut insurance giants!
In case you missed my post above…
Robert Cabelly, Republican, Lobbyist for Sudan, charged with an 8-count indictment was a big RNC/Bush fundraiser. He gave >$14,000 to the RNC in 2000 and $1000 to Bush for President in 2000. Plus, $1000 to Ed Royce (R-NJ) in 2006 cycle and $1000 to Henry Hyde (R-IL) in 2004 cycle.
http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/robert-cabelly.asp?cycle=00
Time for us to demand that Hoyer and Clyburn do their jobs or step aside. They have at least 200 votes for a Robust Public option. They need to act like they know how to fill their roles, and whip up just 18 more votes.
If they will not do that, then they should give up their positions, and let some one like Congressman Weiner take a crack at it.
Now is not the time to have a Majority Whip, who is afraid to crack The Whip.
(860) 549-8463 Lieberman’s office is taking VM (Option 3) Call and tell him you will contribute to his opponent and work towards his defeat.
Thanks for the links Ethan, the guy seems like a real scumbag. Wonder why he’d want to contribute to Republicans?
I just tried that number for Lieberman and the mailbox is full, I’ll try again tomorrow.
You’re wrong Mike – Aetna is NOT the only insurance company in CT. How about The Hatford and Travelers just to name two more!
Reid is my senator and believe me we STRONG armed this guy at all his offices and it worked. Ppl need to bombard their senators and demand their yes vote. Senators already HAVE a single payer healthcare paid for by US!! How dare they deny us this right as well.
Most welcome Imsinca.
Lessee… Lobbyist (check). Working for repressive regime that supports genocide (check). Oil (check). Liar and scammer (check).
What other party would he call home???
I know, I was being sarcastic, maybe I don’t do it enough?
Oh, I know you were being sarcastic, so was I!
Why isn’t the best outcome no bill, rather than a mediocre one, and the Dems facing the voters in 2010?
Look, the people (that is the “real” america, not all those waiting for handouts) DON’T WANT the public option, DON’T WANT this reform. How about something less destructive? how about something that does not cause further dependence on the gov? How about something that does not grow our HUGE government any more? How about something that won’t eventually make the country even more broke?
Use common sense folks. Introduce some competition, not handouts. Almost 50% of people don’t pay taxes, who do you think has to pay for this ****? Those of us with JOBS. You know, those things Comrade Obama is supposed to be creating with the handout programs.
Psh! “Handouts” haha. Prototypical “Know Nothing” Republican delusion.
Ethan
Go get your own party. You progressive are ruining the Democrat good name. Enough of this robust crud.
Progressives are The Party. All the rest of you just come and go. You ran off with Reagan, and helped him destroy the Unions, and then you fell in love with that Oaf Bush 2.
Without us Progressives, you would have no party to come back too, after the Republicans have had their way with you, and left you naked and homeless, by the side of the road.
You losers let Republicans destroy the working class, just because you Morons wanted to have a beer with two fakers who would not p*iss on you, even if you were on fire.
Oh so all we need for a robust public option is that Reid and Obama apply some pressure huh? So in other words we’re screwed.
Goodbye public option of any sort, hello hmo/pharma giveaway and Democratic losses at the ‘10 and ‘12 polls. It’s almost like Rahm actually thinks his “putting points on the board” ****-theory matters to anyone outside of the beltway. I can get a lot of work done if I do a quarter-assed job too.
That’s funny, “krap” got censored but “assed” didn’t.
Liam
Such a neo liberal. The world doesn’t revolve around government. I voted for Bush 1, Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Kerry and now Obama. He was supposed to transcend everything, but Reid and Pelosi have screwed it all up. There’s no money for this health insurance stuff, but they just keep on pushing.
Let’s see how many fancy words we can come up with to call HCR and maybe one of them will stick with the american public. Ridiculous Progressives!
Health care reform isn’t passed, Democrat base is angry, independents are disgusted by incompetent, do-nothing Congress, GOP wins 50 seats in the House and 6 seats in the Senate in 2010, 0bama loses to right-wing Republican candidate in 2012.
Epic win.
@reggie That’s Bill Kristol’s plan from 1993. The playbook hasn’t changed, except that the Teabaggers are intent on being more “sincere” about it. But he said that if we get Health Care, the Republicans will lose big for a long time to come, because of all the people who will decide that they actually like government doing something for them. http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/10/24/780170/-The-sum-of-all-GOP-fears
all of you sound like you are from the adolf socialism family you would have been great subjects if germany had won the world keep on with your dem government and you will be a subject to only what they want and when they want it you will all help kill america
Isn’t the definition of a crazy person one who does the same thing over and over again and expects different results? Well, we’ve pleaded with Obama to step up to the plate and perform as he promised during his campaign– that he would a strong advocate of PO when he became Pres– and what has he given us? He sent out the ObamaRhama message that the American people wouldn’t get the PO– “it wouldn’t pass.” Well, it sure as hell has less of a chance passing with the Pres not working passionately for it and sending his bulldog Rham Emmanual to state in an interview that the public option was no longer an option.
I’m sick of banging my head against a stone wall. The candidate of the people, Barack Obama, has long since morphed into some picture of Dorian Grey and left all people truly concerned about their brothers and sisters twisting in the wind.
In response to a questionnaire I was sent by the Obama people, I expressed my deep disappointment with his conduct as Pres and told him he had lost my support. I said I was only one person but that if he continues his current ObamaRhama behavior, I’m sure that he should be getting ready to pack his bags. Let’s not be ostriches and hide our heads in the sand; the guy is not who he said he was going to be– at best he’s a chameleon and at worst (which I believe to be the case so far) he’s a conservative politician, more concerned with corrupt institutions than with the real lives people lead today.
I’m not quite as disappointed as Sheila, but i can get there fast.
financial reform is lagging.
leadership on WORKABLE specifics of health care reform -
no public option….. Big Pharma retains their protection from government using scale muscle to get fair drug prices … i’d vote 3d party next time.
Obama is a textbook narcissist, a Marxist, and quite dangerous. Most of us saw who he was during the campaign. We marveled at how the intellectual elites could not put two and two together. We still do, though some of you have regained your ability to add things up.
The Democrats are ignoring (a) the Constitution, which sets specific limits on what the federal govt.’s job is, and is not; and (b) what the vast majority of Americans want, with polls consistently demonstrating that 73% to 79% of Americans do not want the govt. involved in health care. They also consistently ignore hard data. There is no economic model – none – in which govt. involvement in health care drives down prices. This bill, if passed, will bankrupt this nation and everyone in it. We need to get the deficit taken care of. Expand Medicare to include those who are uninsured AND WHO QUALIFY (i.e, must be a U.S. citizen who meets certain income requirements). Stop monkeying around with everyone else’s insurance. Because the govt. has never done anything efficiently or well.
KSterling
“with polls consistently demonstrating that 73% to 79% of Americans do not want the govt. involved in health care.”
Say what? Or is this opposite day?
For the record Sen. Lieberman has long been known to cultivate the insurance and pharmaceutical industries, which provide jobs in his home state and contributions to his campaign fund.
His wife, Hadassah joined Hill & Knowlton last year. The legendary lobbying and PR firm hired her as a “senior counselor” in its “health and pharmaceuticals practice.”
The fact remains the insurance companies have been living off of blood money and ripping us off for decades.
Even their ultra hush, hush anti-trust exemption from 1945 is finally being talked about.
They are scum (that’s not hyperbole)and do not care about the economy as a whole or the damage and pain and suffering they have caused regular people.
They don’t care – too bad you made a typo – have fun dying. We’re not sorry YOU got sick – thanks for the policy payments!
That’s whats going on people and they are finally being called out on their bizarre behavior. They gilded the lilly for so long pushed the premiums up too high.
Those of us who have been saying holy cow for decades are finally seeing some action on the HILL not because its the right thing to do but because its a huge drag on the economy – freakin’ geniuses no duh.
Some of ypou amaze me. First, my father was a union organizer and before he died of cancer said he would not p+ss on them if they were on fire. Why?? Becaause they have lost the principles of their inception. THey are not! about the people –the real people anymore! They are about self promotion and communistic principles and socialistic ways which they will deserve. But not in MY country! Some of the conservative and basic American values people have been asleep and bullied. They are ticked off and cornered now and you are seeing some of these results in Virginia elections as harbingers of coming things. Look to the race in NY-23! A We-the-People candidate is taking the field. Try to push this garbage down our throats and you will find the backlash so vicious that you will lose what joy that you’ve cherished. What does that mean? Well in your Society ie USSR, RDK, RED China, socially deviant people are killed or disappeared. THis is where you would push us. We the people have kept the gov’t checked by US and in check by US that is probably why it is still ours and why people come here to get care that they can’t get at home! The Black people have been once again ‘bamboozled’ by an ‘establishment’ this one was not the usual one though. It was an old though a Chicago Mob Gang. Comments? Bring it!
This is an emotional issue for many Americans. This so-called “public option” presents serious challenges for us. As Consumers we should be able to compare the cost and quality of health care services. How much is a specific surgery at one hospital, as compared with another? http://www.friendsoftheuschamber.com/media/
You want to do something about healthcare? Make healthcare portable this all insurance companies have to compete in all markets. Gov’t “option” does not make anything better. It just hinders fluid movement in normal processes which we… intelligent people would normally excel. Now it will be stifled until repealed by sensible citizen reps
Those who support this piece of **** need to get their heads out of their butts. Reid, Pelosi and Obama do not speak for this country. The government needs to stay out of healthcare and strong arming will not make a difference. To pass this unseen bill will be the final nail in the coffin and 2010 will end the reign of these anti american mental midgets.
The public option is rooted in nothing more than the intellectual laziness of Congress and the Administration – the intellectual laziness that comes from the conclusion that government has to be the answer for every social/societal ill.
A letter from HEW (April 1959) to the House Ways and Means Committee remains germane: In our society the existence of a problem does not necessarily indicate that action by the Federal Government is desirable. The basic question is: Should the Federal Government at this time undertake a new program to help pay the costs of medical care…, or should it wait and see [first if other options are effective]?
When our children are paying 60% of their income in taxes to support a government run (and all that comes with this) rather than a citizen run country, they’ll have us to thank.
Thomas J Reid III MD PhD FACP
Hematology-Medical Oncology
(From 2004 to 2008 Dr Reid served as Chief of Hematology-Medical Oncology at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center. After 27 years in the Army Medical Corps, he retired in 2008 as a full Colonel). His essays on health-care reform can be located on his website (http://sites.google.com/site/thomasreid3md/) or blog (http://doctors-takecharge-healthcare-reform.blogspot.com/).
You guys are in a dream world. There is NO money for ANY REAL healthcare bill. That’s the problem – they have a $2 trillion cost bill, and the Democrats and Obama are engaged in the fantasy that it wont add to the deficit and doesnt have massive new taxes and doesnt burden state budgets and wont cause medicare cuts – WHEN IT DOES ALL OF THE ABOVE.
Pelosi lies when she says Medicare is a ‘cost saver’, they were told in July the numbers dont add up. There is no Medicare ’savings’ unless you screw doctors with lower reimbursements, a trick the Senate tried to ‘fix’ last week and Reid got caught in the lie and lost his vote!
This bill is an absolute and utter turkey. It is the wrong concept and needs to be 100% scrapped. No new taxes, no new entitlements, no mandates. Just fix the pre-existing conditions issue (which would be zero cost to Federal budget) and leave the rest for when our economy recovers.THAT would be common-sense approach… since the progressives that run the Democrat party are putting selfish ideology ahead of common sense, the voters are going to give the Democrats a HUGE backlash.
“We definitely need the medicare+5 in the house,”
We need Govt run healthcare like we need a hole in the head.
“Isn’t the definition of a crazy person one who does the same thing over and over again and expects different results? ”
Yup, Socialism has created misery and poverty every place its tried. USA will be no different.
“Why isn’t the best outcome no bill, rather than a mediocre one, and the Dems facing the voters in 2010?”
Hmmm, I think conservatives and progressives could even agree on that! Go ahead, put the ‘robust’ bill up for a vote – up or down … if it fails, wait for 2010.
These backroom, backdoor mind-games and deals are the death of democracy. Whatever happened to the transparent and open process that Obama promised?
“There is no Medicare ’savings’ unless you screw doctors with lower reimbursements, a trick the Senate tried to ‘fix’ last week and Reid got caught in the lie and lost his vote!”
Let me clarify this – the CBO ’scores’ are using non-existent and never-to-happen Medicare ’savings’ that would require huge reimbursement cuts – enough to make doctors flee the whole system. If Reid and Pelosi were honest, they wouldnt be counting these phantom cuts in the ’score’, nor would they seperate out the ‘doc fix’ from the main bill. Be honest and put it together!
First..
You have to get the idea behind the entire package.
IT WILL RAISE THE COST EACH OF US PAYS FOR HEALTH CARE.
It will RAISE TAXES on all Americans EXCEPT for the politicians voting for the BILL.
The biggest question to ask anyone voting for the Bill… WHY DO YOU WHAT THE BEST HEALTH CARE for yourself and your family.. ie… you keep your TAXPAYER FUNDED health care package and do not come in under what you are MANDATING for the rest of America.
READ THAT AGAIN. NONE of the PUKES voting for this health care bill… WANT TO BE COVERED BY THE SAME BILL.
The Messiah… even had the b-lls to stand up and say… he WANTED the best health care for himself and his family.
The so called political LEADERS of our country..consider themselves beyond the rest of us poor peons..
The total ESTIMATED cost of this bill is over a TRILLION dollars.. and raises about 500 Billion dollars in taxes..
And by the time they get done adding pork and earmarks… it will be well above that 1 Trllion dollars.
Here is hoping that voters throughout the country… send a clear message to the DEMONCRATS on Tuesday.
You vote for this garbage and call us Nazis, Trash and disrespect us and the Constitution.
Your name, your face will be in the cross hairs of the wraith of the American Patriot in 2010 and 2012.
Hey, it seems the naysayers were wrong. This train is powering ahead. See more on
tomtommytom.blogspot.com