Ben Nelson: Keeping Public Option Will Cause Reform To “Implode”
Centrist Dem Senator Ben Nelson, who’s drawing fire from the left over his refusal to clearly state a position on the public option, now seems to have settled on one: Keeping the public option will destroy health care reform.
Nelson made the surprising comments in an interview with Nebraska’s Lincoln Journal-Star.
“I see two endings,” Nelson said when asked by the paper what’s next for reform. “One is we find areas we can agree upon and we begin to do things incrementally, taking more of an insurance approach, not a government approach. Or it implodes.”
The context leaves no doubt that by “government approach” he means the public option, and this statement would seem to be pretty definitive. How can Nelson support the public plan if it will destroy reform?
What’s curious about this is Nelson’s suggestion that he has little control over whether keeping the public option will in fact cause reform to “implode.” He seems to suggest it will just happen of its own accord.
But Nelson himself has a great deal of sway over this. He’s one of the deciding swing votes. If he signals he can support a final bill with the public option, it’s that much less likely to cause reform to implode. If he definitively states he can’t back a bill with the public option, that would make keeping it more likely to cause reform to implode. Yet Nelson is suggesting he’s just some kind of passive observer here. Odd.
I’m checking with Nelson’s office for clarification and will let you know if I get anything back.
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I’d love to learn his explanation for why a public option will cause everything to implode. As a statement on its own it makes very little sense to me. It seems like the sort of thing that a Republican would have said in the early 1960’s about Medicare.
(Yes, the present Medicare paradigm is unsustainable, but that’s no secret. The only way it’s going to crash is if nothing is done. Since it’s well known that changes are going to have to be made changes will be made. It’s too popular for politicians to sit on their hands while Medicare wrecks itself.)
If BO would just send this Van Jones character out to pasture, he’d probably win over some independants…
Is Ben Nelson a Democrat or a Dumbocrat aka Republican lite.
…”A bill without a strong public option will not pass the House,” Pelosi said.
…
“If someone has a better idea for promoting competition and reducing health care costs, they should put it on the table,” Pelosi said. “Eliminating the public option would be a major victory for the insurance companies who have rationed care, increased premiums and denied coverage.”…
Despite several indications that the White House will ultimately not go to bat for a public option, Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) says he’s seen no signs that the White House will change course–but if they do, he’s not budging.
“I know that the White House is debating it internally,” Brown said in an interview with TPMDC. “But Congress is writing the bill, the President’s not.”
“The White House should not take progressives for granted,” an animated Brown told me. “It’s not just the conservatives he needs to be in the fold. It’s the progressives who’ve been in the vineyards fighting for reform for years.”…
foster, Ben Nelson is yet to ever prove why he is a Democrat. Some of the other Conservodems in the Senate are easy to figure out why they’re dems- because as a rule, being a Republican is a non-starter in their state (thus we have Blanche Lincoln and Mark Pryor). However, I’ve seen no indication that Nelson would even be a particularly ‘liberal’ republican- he is certainly to the right on Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, and I think without the little bit of vote-whipping that Reid is capable of, his record would probably be to the right of the GOP’s ’second-tier’ liberals- George Voinovich, Judd Gregg, and Dick Lugar. It is my firm belief that if left to his ow devices, he would be roughly a Lindsey Graham/Orrin Hatch/Lisa Murkowski/Kay Bailey Hutchinson Republican… liberal only if ‘liberal’ means to the left of of the Coburn/Demint/Inhofe/Vitter wing of the GOP
It’s astonishing that a man this stupid is a United States senator.
“Centrist” is inaccurate, as it implies some kind of actual values. “Corporatist” is better.
Whether intended or not, one consequence of this back and forth, will he do X or will he do Y? etc is pushing serious media interest in the upcoming speech and subsequent activities of the WH. If intended, it’s smart media strategy. If not intended, it’s fortunate.
But they better make wise use of this opportunity.
I don’t think Nelson is well-described by “stupid”. My notion is that he corrupt, in that soft sense. Duke Cunningham or cash-in-freezer dude were corrupt the hard sense.
The system’s dependence upon corporate money to run viable elections is killing you guys. Add in how obstructed/malfunctioning governance works to cut citizens off from access to power (even if some might think that carrying an assault rifle out in public constitutes real power in the polity) and it’s getting to be a fine recipe for…uh…nothing good.
Commonbond, Nelson is only one of a majority of our Senaors/Representatives who are either stupid, nuts or corrupt.
why, why, why, why, why would you do this school speech to K-6 grade kids? He knows he’s a lightning rod with half the country. Also, did anyone see the pdf the administration sent out to teachers on how to conduct the students during this speech. I would be offended if I was a teacher. Its like the administration was saying that teachers aren’t smart enough to conduct excercises with their students and what some fun ideas might be to go along with it.
It just keeps coming back to the government knows better. We won’t hear anything from the Teachers union though.
Ben Nelson has one vote out of 59. F*CK HIM!
If he wants the country to be run the way HE likes it tell HIM to run for President so he can be laughed out of polite company. Its funny how much power he sees in himself and his merry band of bought and paid for @sshole ConservaDem friends. Push Reconciliation and make that muthaf*cka just as irrelevant as he should be. And that’s real!
@NN “I would be offended if I was a teacher.”
Actually, no you almost certainly wouldn’t be. It’s completely typical as a teaching guide.
It’s astonishing that a man this stupid is a United States senator.
Perhaps, but then there’s Inhofe, and that’s just a whole ‘nother universe of stupid that makes Nelson look like Albert Einstein.
Yeah NIN, a lightning rod that kicked the sh*t out of the best your party had to offer last year and whose approval numbers are actually rebounding. The country does not consist of just the south. The overwhelming majority of parents as well as kids actually want to hear from the President, they can’t help that wingnuts like you would rather play politics about it. I mean where were you when George Bush was talking to school kids? I bet you weren’t protesting then and that man’s approval numbers were d@mn near lower than O.J.’s
The more you guys keep expressing this faux outrage over dumb sh*t, the easier it is to dismiss anything you have to say. Enjoy your increasing irrelevance.
I’m fine with him talking to students…it only makes sense. He had an oppty to make some right wing crazies, look crazy by their immediate boycott of this, but he caved too quickly and started adjusting his talking points to look guilty. I can’t imagine he wasn’t going to say anything other than stay in school, its cool., so it wasn’t going to bother me, but O made this an issue and showed his nievete’
By the way, if you listened to Biden the other day at the Brookings institute, you’d think that he was the one who’s in charge, so maybe I’m criticizing the wrong the person.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/sep/04/curl-biden-fills-vacationing-obamas-void/
Biden said “Every week — with notable exceptions — I hold a Cabinet meeting. And most of the Cabinet secretaries attend,” he told the audience in Washington.
“I made it clear that our focus had to be, in the first 100 days, accountability, transparency and responsiveness. I wanted each of those Cabinet secretaries to set up systems where they would have a high degree of confidence that as they implemented what they were in charge of, it would be done effectively and efficiently.”
Several school districts are refusing to show the speech (not knowing its content).
The level of cynicism and amorality in purposefully working to make a population segment as functionally stupid and hate-filled as this is pretty hard to fathom.
@bernie
I understand why you wouldn’t be offended by a teaching guide….you get yours everyday from TPM right?
@NN – silly response. My degree is education. Or you could interpret this to mean that on this specific point I know what I’m talking about but you’re not quite in the same category.
Our school is requiring a signed permission slip to allow our children to see the speech and of course we have checked yes.
I think this will set precedence and have a lasting effect, for years after President Obama leaves office.
As for now, I think this further alienates certain groups from voting Republican.
To further show us that this is amateur hour at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave…..NYC, LA, Seattle, Boston, and many other schools won’t even be in session yet. That’s not the community organizer I know…he’s the smartest guy in the room, remember?
slapping forehead
To quote from the source of lesson plans…
“How long did it take the right to go from: “if you criticize the President you are a traitor” to “School children should not trust the President.”"
bernie,
“slapping forehead”
because of our president? or my pointing it out to you?
@Bernie Latham,
I believe NIN could be persuaded to support President Obama’s address to school children, if the President would agree to read My Pet Goat to the kids.
http://www.postonpolitics.com/2009/09/obamas-not-the-first-president-to-address-nations-schoolchildren-on-live-television/
“President George H.W. Bush made a nationally televised speech to students on Oct. 1, 1991, from Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, D.C., urging them to “make it your mission to get a good education” and to “block out the kids who think it’s not cool to be smart.” (The president’s sound bite of the day was apparently, “I can’t understand for the life of me what’s so great about being stupid.”)
Update: As a Palm Beach Post reader has helpfully pointed out, then-President Ronald Reagan spoke live to students nationwide in May 1986. And it seems that the first President Bush also made a 15-minute televised speech in 1989 urging students not to use drugs.
Anyway, back to the 1991 appearance by Bush, who used part of his speech — broadcast by CNN and PBS — to tout his administration’s education policies:
We made a start nationally now by setting six National Education Goals to meet the challenges of the 21st century. By the year 2000, at least 9 in every 10 students should graduate from high school. We should be first in the world in math and science. We need to regularly test student’s abilities. Every American child should start school ready to learn; every American adult should be literate; and every American school should be safe and drug-free.
Reaching those goals is the aim of a strategy that we call America 2000, a crusade for excellence in American education, school by school, community by community.
By all accounts nobody called Bush a socialist or organized a boycott, and The Associated Press’s coverage of the speech appeared to be a neutral description of what the president had said, according to a Nexis search.
On the other hand, a story the next day in The Washington Post dwelt on the theme that the speech had been arranged in such a way to make the president look good:”
Spake Mr. Latham:
“The level of cynicism and amorality in purposefully working to make a population segment as functionally stupid and hate-filled as this is pretty hard to fathom.”
One wonders of what utility it would be having kids in a Geometry class, say, interrupt their studies where they are hopefully learning something useful, in order to listen to our Dear Reader make a speech.
K-6th graders cannot vote, (unless ACORN has some plans that haven’t been publicized).
One could argue that The Alleged Hawaiian, being from the Left side of the political spectrum, is likely much more at home in speechifying to child-like mentalities, and therefore he is simply performing a PR “dry-run” in order to more effectively communicate to his base at some later date.
And it might be the case that the entire point of this exercise would be to test the effectiveness of the White House’s instructions to the local authorities on how Dear Reader’s audiences are supposed to be “community organized”. Perhaps there will be a Government web-site set up for the “community organizers”/teachers to inform O-quarters that little Sally was fidgeting and little Johnny was picking his nose all through The One’s speech.
This would greatly assist the Guardians of the Party in identifying which of these youngsters would be in need of re-education in order to save them from later jeopardy of Republican hooliganism.
I can see the repug trolls here are still peeved that their master, the shrub, reading my pet goat to them, got kinda disrupted.
Bernie,
Nice work on making my point about you getting your lesson plans from TPM.
TPM Reader JF’s lament …
How long did it take the right to go from: “if you criticize the President you are a traitor” to “School children should not trust the President.”
–Josh Marshall
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
However, I’m sure you meant it to be a twist on words and a bit of reverse psychology.
If my kids’ schools don’t show it, I intend to find it online and have the kids watch it. Even if it was McCain (God forbid) who’d been president, I wouldn’t refuse permission for them to listen to the message. If I disagreed with any of it, I’d talk to my kids about it– rationally. My kids are 7 and 10 and we do discuss the issues with them, mostly when they ask about it but also sometimes to prepare them for some of the crazy behavior their classmates exhibit in this red county we live in.
Missouri Mule:
“If my kids’ schools don’t show it, I intend to find it online and have the kids watch it.”
Yes…quite.
Please reconsider, sir. There are fairly harsh sanctions under the law for mistreating children in such a way.
I truly believe that most right wing NINcompoops could be persuaded to support President Obama’s address to school children, if the President would agree to read My Pet Goat to the kids.
http://www.postonpolitics.com/2009/09/obamas-not-the-first-president-to-address-nations-schoolchildren-on-live-television/
“President George H.W. Bush made a nationally televised speech to students on Oct. 1, 1991, from Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, D.C., urging them to “make it your mission to get a good education” and to “block out the kids who think it’s not cool to be smart.” (The president’s sound bite of the day was apparently, “I can’t understand for the life of me what’s so great about being stupid.”)
Update: As a Palm Beach Post reader has helpfully pointed out, then-President Ronald Reagan spoke live to students nationwide in May 1986. And it seems that the first President Bush also made a 15-minute televised speech in 1989 urging students not to use drugs.
Anyway, back to the 1991 appearance by Bush, who used part of his speech — broadcast by CNN and PBS — to tout his administration’s education policies:
We made a start nationally now by setting six National Education Goals to meet the challenges of the 21st century. By the year 2000, at least 9 in every 10 students should graduate from high school. We should be first in the world in math and science. We need to regularly test student’s abilities. Every American child should start school ready to learn; every American adult should be literate; and every American school should be safe and drug-free.
Reaching those goals is the aim of a strategy that we call America 2000, a crusade for excellence in American education, school by school, community by community.
By all accounts nobody called Bush a socialist or organized a boycott, and The Associated Press’s coverage of the speech appeared to be a neutral description of what the president had said, according to a Nexis search.
On the other hand, a story the next day in The Washington Post dwelt on the theme that the speech had been arranged in such a way to make the president look good:”
Van Jones Retirement Countdown….8 hrs 1 minute
He will be wanting to “spend more time with his family”.
Bilge, n.
1. Nautical
a. The rounded portion of a ship’s hull, forming a transition between the bottom and the sides.
b. The lowest inner part of a ship’s hull.
2. Bilge water.
3. Slang Stupid talk or writing; nonsense.
4. The bulging part of a barrel or cask.
You are well named, sir.
ah, the liam we all know is back…nice to see you.
Thanks for the double post, but work on that reading comprehension….see my earlier post
“I’m fine with him talking to students…it only makes sense. He had an oppty to make some right wing crazies, look crazy by their immediate boycott of this, but he caved too quickly and started adjusting his talking points to look guilty. I can’t imagine he wasn’t going to say anything other than stay in school, its cool., so it wasn’t going to bother me, but O made this an issue and showed his nievete’”
I have no problem with him making a speech/talking to schoolkids. He missed another oppty to make some right wing nuts look nutty….but he caved to them before they knew what he was going to talk about.
NIN:
“That’s not the community organizer I know…he’s the smartest guy in the room, remember?”
Why, I heard a rumor that he even went to Harvard, but I’ll be horn-swoggled if I can find anything he wrote while enrolled there.
Though Nelson is a corporate schumck, the public option doesn’t poll well with his constituients, so as much grief as he gives me, it’s hard to fault him on this. He could use way better logic. Didn’t he say one time that he wouldn’t support a public option because the public would get better prices?
On the Obama education thing, wingnuts are crazy. I’m okay with Obama compremising with non-crazy conservatives, but addressing children in school… at gov’t run public schools… about the need to get a good education. /facepalm
RIP Civil American Discourse 1776-2009: You had a good run.
Y’know, the best way to deal with trolls is to ignore them, not engage them. And I’m sure I won’t be missed if I don’t come back here, but how many other readers will go away and simply not say anything? It is getting REALLY tiresome. I don’t want an echo chamber, but I do want reasonable discourse or I will spend my time elsewhere.
Liam
Speaking of NINcompoops…please also note my earlier post.
“NYC, LA, Seattle, Boston, and many other schools won’t even be in session yet. ”
Uh, make fun of “shrub” as you say for reading a book and not make fun of BO(stinky) for speaking to all the schoolkids when more than 25% of them won’t even be in school yet? Where’s your objectivity, I say?
NIN,
What name were you using before yesterday?
MissoriMule:
“You are well named, sir”
Thankee kindly.
“If I disagreed with any of it, I’d talk to my kids about it– rationally. My kids are 7 and 10 and we do discuss the issues with them,”
Perhaps you would be so kind as to let your progeny post to the Plum Line,
I, for one, think we would all benefit greatly from THEIR views on the issue of Health Care Reform.
NINcompoop,
It is the start of the school year, and those that start later can show the video of his speech.
If he waited until a later date, then all you nut jobs would be whining about how he was interrupting classes that have been in progress for some time.
Why did you change your name. You must have been really ashamed about what you posted in the past.
it changes everyday…just depends on what color aura is surrounding me. You should try it, its groovy.
Patches:
“I’m okay with Obama compremising with non-crazy conservatives, but addressing children in school… at gov’t run public schools… ”
This may come as something of a surprise to you, but most school districts are creatures of their state, county, or municipal governments…not the Feds, of which The One is the Chief Executive.
Therefore, these entities are under no obligation whatsoever to broadcast the Telepromter-assisted Musings of Our Dear Reader.
I know that asserting such a thing doubtless pitches me, in your mind, into the “states-rights” wing of “crazy” conservatism, but them’s are the facts, neighbor.
NIN:
“Van Jones Retirement Countdown….8 hrs 1 minute”
I would hope that The One would appoint Comrade Jones a “Czar” of something.
I would savor the deliciousness of the irony at having an admitted Communist be officially named a government Czar in what is bruited to be a free-market democratic federal republic.
Only the Almighty could write such good material.
Bernie:
Several school districts are refusing to show the speech (not knowing its content).
Why doesn’t the administration make its content known?
The level of cynicism and amorality in purposefully working to make a population segment as functionally stupid and hate-filled as this is pretty hard to fathom.
Agreed. In fact, it is so hard to fathom, no reasonable person would interpret these events as such a deliberate attempt. Only a deluded person or a disingenuous ideologue would make such an accusation.
My, my but the hypocrisy runs especially deep here today.
Bernie said:
“The level of cynicism and amorality in purposefully working to make a population segment as functionally stupid and hate-filled as this is pretty hard to fathom.”
Words for you to take to heart. What they have to say to people who oppose Obama trying to invade our schools and influence our children toward Obamabotulism is rather more mysterious.
Then he said:
““How long did it take the right to go from: “if you criticize the President you are a traitor” to “School children should not trust the President.””
Can’t you do any better? Both are figments of fevered leftist imaginations. But set that aside. You lefties spent eight years calling G Bush a “treasonous” “traitor” and every other epithet in the book, demaning his impeachment, etc. You (broadly speaking) still yearn for his prosecution for supposed “war crimes.” You accused him of ever form of vile racism, corruption, even genocide. Now you imagine that YOU were called traitors for “criticizing” him.
And do you think the position of conservatives now is fairly characterized as “School children should not trust the President,” or perhaps better as we don’t want children going to school only to be turned over to Obama to work his political charms on them?
Despite your apparent self-image as an urbane intellectual, you are just peddling the same distortions as any ordinary demogogue or propogandist here.
# NIN | September 4th, 2009 at 10:16 am
it changes everyday…just depends on what color aura is surrounding me. You should try it, its groovy.
…………………………
Thanks for admitting that you are changing your name, on a frequent basis, in order to hide your past posting record.
I understand fully why your “aura” of lies, compels you to behave like you do, and why you lack the guts to stand by your past writings. I expect nothing more from a skulking weasel.
Quarterback:
“You lefties spent eight years calling G Bush a “treasonous” “traitor” and every other epithet in the book, demaning his impeachment, etc. You (broadly speaking) still yearn for his prosecution for supposed “war crimes.” You accused him of ever form of vile racism, corruption, even genocide.”
Ahhh, yes, the days of reasoned and polite debate about the issues that they now so pine for…
It was like a Golden Age, wasn’t it?
Having begun 1st grade in the autumn of 1965, I can only think back upon how the parents of that era would have responded if they knew their children were going to have the opportunity to watch a presidential address addressed specifically to the children.
Parents who had complained as loudly as some have done about Obama would have only been regarded as disgruntled kooks.
Indeed, those halcyon days of yore, when there was a good, just and above all loyal and positive opposition party that did its best to help.
(about Obama’s address)
Can people stop feeding the trolls? Anyone dumb enough to push the Obama schoolchildren story cannot be reasoned with.
Did anyone see the article where Joe Lieberman said he did not support a Public Option? I’m not sure why he isn’t getting a lot of attention since he is from a liberal state.
Oddjob,
Now, you really can’t toss a softball like that and expect no one to crush it, so . . . And I had thought, judging from your posts, that you started first grade around 2005.
Thank you, I’ll be here all week.
“Parents who had complained as loudly as some have done about Obama would have only been regarded as disgruntled kooks.”
That was a different time, wasn’t it?
Before the age of Borking, and Reagan-is-Hitler, and Bush-is-Hitler, and Clinton’s institution of the permanent campaign, and a far-left President whose stated purpose is to fundamentally reshape American society and government in his Alinsky-ite image.
Before the age of turning in “fishy” citizens to the White House, of the permanent White House/OFA/union astroturfing campaign, and of “I don’t want to hear” opposition while I change the country.
Times have changed. Nor do we need his divisiveness in schools. My son’s school is extremely liberal, both teachers and students. Hardly anyone wants this officious President meddling like this.
Lola:
“Did anyone see the article where Joe Lieberman said he did not support a Public Option? I’m not sure why he isn’t getting a lot of attention since he is from a liberal state.”
If Connecticut was as liberal as you seem to think, Senator Lieberman, (Independent), would be a citizen and that hapless multi-millionaire Liberal stooge would be their Senator.
THAT, in a nutshell, is why you do not and will not hear of Lieberman’s views.
When you embarrass the Party, you become a non-person from a non-state.
I know that asserting such a thing doubtless pitches me, in your mind, into the “states-rights” wing of “crazy” conservatism, but them’s are the facts, neighbor.
If only because Obama doing this is bad but Bush and Reagan doing it was okay. Bush did stupid things as president, but he was still president. If he wanted to talked to my kids about staying in school or not doing drugs or what have you, I wouldn’t have any issue with it. I mean, is the president giving encouragement to children really an encrouchment on states rights? I’m pity people who are perpetually offended by those who they simply disagree with.
Do we have copies of what he’s saying to them? Is like some kind of Mugatu brainwash? (KILL THE PRIME MINISTER OF MALAYASIAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!)
The only thing likely to explode if a public option passes are the heads of healthcare industry CEOs, their lobbyists, and those – like Nelson – who are financially beholden to the healthcare lobby.
“If he wanted to talked to my kids about staying in school or not doing drugs or what have you, I wouldn’t have any issue with it.”
1. “If” that were all, which you don’t know.
2. If that is true, you are different from most of the left who post in places like this. Maybe you are right and most everyone else is wrong.
Patches:
“If only because Obama doing this is bad but Bush and Reagan doing it was okay.”
No, it wasn’t okay when they did it either. I don’t think it is fair play to try using schoolkids’ valuable time to pitch a political agenda, from either side, and especially so when their attendance at such an indoctrination is attempted to be made compulsory.
“Bush did stupid things as president, but he was still president. ”
Nice of you to admit that…it got really tiresome between ‘00 and ‘04: the Great Four-Year National Bed-wetting of Those Who Slept Through Civics Class.
“Do we have copies of what he’s saying to them? Is like some kind of Mugatu brainwash? (KILL THE PRIME MINISTER OF MALAYASIAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!)”
That is apparently one of the bug-a-boos about this whole diversion. His people won’t release what he plans to say or what subject he wants to emote about, so his message could very well be something along the Mugatu lines.
Now if it was something as innocuous as “Stay in School and Learn to Read and Write and Reckon” or some such boiler-plate, I doubt that there would be much consternation about it, other than the irritation of having yet another doofus swipe instruction time “because he can”.
If he really wants to do something useful, maybe he can instruct the nippers about the history, purpose and function of the Electoral College vis-a-vis national presidential elections.
There’s been some evidence that past instruction in that has been rather lacking.
I don’t think Nelson is saying he cannot support the public plan because it will destroy reform. He is saying that if the Dems decide that a public option must be in the final bill then that bill will not pass reconciliation.
Now we have Bilge Pump calling Presidents Bush One, Bush Two, And President Reagan, “doofuses”, because they all “swiped instruction time”.
Liam:
“Now we have Bilge Pump calling Presidents Bush One, Bush Two, And President Reagan, “doofuses”, because they all “swiped instruction time”.”
I think the proper plural is “doofii”, but I could be wrong.
And yes, they WERE doofii for doing that.
Leave the youngsters to their business and if you can’t make your pitch to the adults, maybe you should change your tune or find another line of work.
That is apparently one of the bug-a-boos about this whole diversion. His people won’t release what he plans to say or what subject he wants to emote about, so his message could very well be something along the Mugatu lines.
But is that because his team hasn’t released what he plans to say or because the right-wing has become so paranoid that anything he says is evil? But really, if you think Obama plans on indoctrinating your children (and what the hell would he indoctrinate), then find comfort that there is lots of tinfoil to protect yourself from his evil-socialist mind control. It’s that kind of thinking that proves to me humanity can’t evolve.
Gasman:
The only thing likely to explode if a public option passes are the heads of healthcare industry CEOs, their lobbyists, and those – like Nelson – who are financially beholden to the healthcare lobby.
Actually I think I think we can predict with a fair degree of confidence that both the deficit and tax rates would also explode.
# Bilgeman | September 4th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Liam:
“Now we have Bilge Pump calling Presidents Bush One, Bush Two, And President Reagan, “doofuses”, because they all “swiped instruction time”.”
I think the proper plural is “doofii”, but I could be wrong.
And yes, they WERE doofii for doing that.
Leave the youngsters to their business and if you can’t make your pitch to the adults, maybe you should change your tune or find another line of work.
…………………………
Your extremly belated outrage at Reagan, Bush One, and Bush Two, is duly noted.
Thank President Obama for making you see the light.
Now, take a moment to mail in for your WIN(whip inflation now) button.
Follow the money that comes from Mutual of Omaha and other insurers. You might remember, too, that Omaha is only one of two population bases in Nebraska. Trust me, no Democrat is proud to have this DINO in the Senate. I’m so ashamed to be a Nebraskan.
Why on earth do you care what a member of “The Family” thinks about HCR. Bill Nelson certainly cannot be accurately called middle of the road, nor can anyone who is associated with this scary, “Jesus” focused power group.
Is there any political will in Nebraska to replace Ben Nelson ?
This man, a former lawyer whose expertise is constitutional law has written articles about the constitutionality of the present version of the healthcare bill. His concerns should be watched for in this and any other version. He is dead on as far as the public option is concerned. Read his #7 comment in the comment section.
http://michaelconnelly.viviti.com/
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