50K lost lives & nothing gained, fortunes spent on nothing, a draft that terrorized every 17yr old male approaching his 18th birthday? Not debateable – not by a long shot.

The Bush/Obama years are, so far, ranking right up there with LBJ/Nixon.

Epic Fail.

First off, “shovel ready” projects WERE/ARE the fastest projects we could have gotten – a good sales pitch doesn’t automatically make the product bad. They are the “quickest” jobs we could get. You’re arguement is that they lied somehow…but it’s obvious you’re just blowing smoke. They didn’t lie – shovel ready projects are the fastest way to get construction jobs and capital flowing. They were WRONG about the unemployment numbers, which they have ADMITTED. That doesn’t mean they lied about anything. All your trying to do is make it seem like they did…and losing the debate and credibility in the process.

However, I’d be curious what your “reasoned debate and negotiation” would have done for the economy by now? What’s the magical conservative plan that would have stopped job losses? Tax Cuts? Nope, that would have done NOTHING to stop unemployement from rising. Food Stamps, Unemployement Insurance, and Infrastructure Spending are the 3 top ways to stimulate the economy, create jobs, and spur growth. It’s a proven fact. Debate and Negotiations with Republicans in DC is a waste of time at this point…if we would have done that instead of passing the stimulus we’d see higher unemployment than we do now and an even slower recovery in the long run.

And linking to HotAir and NRO? Seriously? LOL, what a freakin’ joke. What’s next, you linking us up to Alan Keyes, RedState, and Free Republic? Excuse me, I have to go to the bathroom and poop out more credibility than any of those sources have at this point.

@BigBob: The economy was, by far, not worse in the 70’s. The only time in our country’s history the economy was “worse” was in the Great Depression. The situation with Vietnam and Now is debatable…but I should point out that Vietnam is was in the 60’s, not the 70’s.

Remember price & wage controls? Remember gasoline being rationed?

Both parties are an epic fail & and they continue to be both corrupt & ineffective. I support the TEA effort as it is a grass roots effort for true change. We were promised change, but we got more of the same. Obama is Bush III

Doug:Hello, sir.
Peter Griffin:Enough with the foreplay. What are you selling?
Doug:Well, I was gonna try to sell you some “handsome cream” but I can see you already bought out the store!
Peter Griffin:Go on.
Doug:Perhaps you’d be interested in something every homeowner cannot be without.
Doug:Volcano insurance!
Peter Griffin:Go on.
Doug:According to my uncle, who’s a real whiz with volcanoes a volcano is coming this way!
Peter Griffin:PETER [Thinking]: I, too, have an uncle.
Peter Griffin:Come in.
Peter Griffin:How much is this volcano insurance?
Doug:I don’t know. Let’s say, $200.
Peter Griffin:$200? That’s more than I spent on all that handsome cream.
Peter Griffin:I don’t have that kind of money!
Doug:What about that jar of money?
Peter Griffin:PETER: No way! That’s Lois’ rainy day fund.
Doug:Come on, it never rains in Rhode Island.
Peter Griffin:Yeah, but I’m pretty sure we’ve never had a volcano either.
Doug:Well, don’t you think we’re overdue for one?
Peter Griffin:Touche, salesman.

I don’t know how you expect there to be such grand results in such a short time. And no where did the president lead on that by July things would be so much better. In fact, he did just the opposite and warned people that results would be slow and that things were likely to get worse first. The only people demanding things be better now are those who totally deny the actions of the last 8 years that led to an economic stimulus package in the first place. I’m sure you’re blushing right now.

Tea parties and tanning beds are the solution to Ohio’s problems!

Once again, I’m not complaining about the speed of the “economic recovery,” I’m complaining about the dishonest sales pitch Obama fed to us to get our congress to pass this mess. I’m complaing that we were told that shovel-ready meant quick jobs in construction and we still see continued job losses in construction. I’m complaining that we were told that unemployment would be better than it now is. I’m saying that we were told these lies so that the Dems could spend billions of dollars to prop up Democratic constituencies and fund liberal pet projects. I’m complaining that the Obama administration made a lot of claims about the stimulus in order to get it passed but had no idea whether it would work.

I believe I said judge it now. By all means judge it now. Just don’t act like the president said or lied as you claim, that everything would be better in 5-6 months. He never led on to that. As I said previously, he in fact said things could get worse and recovery would be slow.

Thanks to Bush’s blunder of Iraq, which turned our attention away from Afghanistan, we can’t be out. Sadly we’ve been there for 8 years. Obama is escalating efforts because Bush neglected the country and people actually responsible for 9/11. If you want out, then at the very least you can agree the fact that we are still there after 8 years is a horrible failure on the part of the conservative George Bush. But you won’t. You’ll just keep insisting you’ve been lied to about the stimulus while ignoring the need for the stimulus in the first place.

So I got that goin’ for me, which is nice.

“House Republican Leader John Boehner said he and his colleagues told Obama they feel the stimulus package is too expensive and too slow . . . Republicans have been seeking deeper tax cuts and have said there was no reliable estimate of the bill’s impact on employment. Democrats tried to mitigate the impact of a Congressional Budget Office study that questioned administration claims that the money could be spent fast enough to reduce joblessness quickly.”

“Yesterday, MS-NBC’s Chuck Todd asked White House press secretary Robert Gibbs when the time will come to judge the success of the stimulus package Barack Obama pushed Congress to pass. Gibbs says we can start now . . . The first test for this will be next Thursday, when the BLS announces the jobless rate for June. If it goes up — and indications this month show new claims rising each week — Obama will own it.”

I think we should be out of Afghanistan. Obama has escalated our efforts there. He continues to use unmanned drones that kill innocent civilians.

I’ll say again, in case your Fox News teevee set was too loud, Obama has been in office for 6 months. The stimulus is 5 months old. It will take more than 5-6 months to fix 8 years of your conservative ideology rule. No one said it would all be okay in 6 months. The president has on numerous occasions said this will take time; and, in fact, said it would likely get worse before it gets better. The president led no one about the recovery.

Only Republicans and those now refusing to call themselves Republican claimed it all should be better now. Of course those– like yourself– claiming we were told it should be better by now are the same people refusing to admit just how bad George Bush’s Republican rule of this country really was.

As impatient as you are to call this economy and the war in Afghanistan Obama’s (which is total loony talk by the way), you sure are completely at peace with what your Party delivered to the America people.

“Obama is a postmodernist. He believes that all truth is relative, and that assertions gain or lose credibility depending on the race, class, and gender of the speaker.”

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OTAyNzFjMmMwOWJjYmFmMTA2ODdjODZmZmQ0MWE1Mzg=&w=MQ==

Weren’t we told that we had to pass this stimulus fast to help stop the rise in unemployment? Is it not true that unemployment has continued to rise? Is it not true that Gibbs said we could now judge the stimulus?

“To get the stimulus passed, the Obama administration promised the moon, and had no idea whether it would work.”

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YTVmZGYxMDJkNDJkZTU1NWMyMDMyMDFhNTRhZDZiZjU=

I care about now. I care about this fall, I care about next year.