Dems Rip Insurance Industry, GOP Over News About Alex Castellanos
As expected, Democrats are jumping on the news today that an on-air CNN commentator doubled as the insurance industry’s ad buyer, broadening the attack on the industry and linking it to the GOP, which also enlisted the help of that same commentator to craft anti-reform talking points.
DNC spokesman Hari Sevugan points out that the CNN commentator, GOP consultant Alex Castellanos, who placed a huge AHIP ad buy, also wrote a memo for the Republican National Committee advising Republicans to paint reform as a menacing government takeover that would destroy Medicare.
Dems argue that Castellanos’ work for AHIP and the GOP shows that they share the goal of killing reform — and that they are united in their determination to stop at nothing to make that happen.
“The news that Mr. Castellanos is a highly paid consultant for the Insurance Lobby sheds piercing light on the motivations of the Republican party in wholeheartedly adopting a strategy he authored to intentionally delay insurance reform in order to kill it,” Sevugan emailed me.
“Whether it’s paying for a supposedly independent report that was purposefully skewed to kill reform or paying hired hands to attack reform on tv while passing themselves off independent commentators, the insurance lobby and their agents in the GOP, have proven that they are willing to say and do anything — including misleading the American people — to protect their record profits,” Sevugan added. “They have zero credibility.”
It’s unclear how much dust this will kick up — as black eyes go, it’s nowhere near as bad as AHIP’s “study” on the reform proposals — but it does provide Dems with a convenient attack line linking the industry and the Republican Party. We’ll see where it goes.
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The timing on this is excellent, IMO. It goes right along with the insurance industry declaring open war on reform, which may turn out to be the biggest favor they ever did us.
“it does provide Dems with a convenient attack line linking the industry and the Republican Party”.
Perfectly true. Nice framing, Greg.
If the Dems are looking for villians, they need look no further than the nearest mirror! Get rid of Olympia Snowe by letting her know that the public option is in and she is out. If any Dem votes against cloture, they will be outted and blamed. Which will render them an outsider for the remainder of their term and thrown out of office at the end of it. The Dems will also suffer dearly if they don’t pass this bill with a strong public option without triggers! After what the insurance industry just pulled with that bogus report, the trigger idea should now be burried! We don’t want bipartisanship! We want a strong bill!
By all means, roxsteady, let’s punish Olympia Snowe for being the one Republican who voted to move this legislation forward, finally.
Is there anybody other that Max Baucus who really still believes Republicans want health care reform? I doubt it. IMHO CNN gets the biggest black eye here and I also think Sevugan should be taking major shots at them. CNN has bent over backwards to take a tilt to the right since last year. Just look at the regular pundits they have on and the increasingly wingnutty Lou Dobbs. Capitalizing on this to question CNN’s journalistic integrity would go a long way in bringing them back into the mainstream. Its time to start making sure all these supposedly “librul” media institution fear us as much as they fear the right wingers.
CNN sux – it has been sux0r since Ted sold it.
“Just look at the regular pundits they have on and the increasingly wingnutty Lou Dobbs.”
Fox wants him – I’m betting he moves there before too long.
“Get rid of Olympia Snowe by letting her know that the public option is in and she is out. If”
And no I will not take a piece of birthday cake unless it has a rose on it!
This is another phony, indeed, preposterous non-scandal trumped up by the far left to distract from its own internal conflicts and incompetence, and the awful substance of its “reform” ideas. Just a few reasons?
AC is a commentator. How many of those talking head, partisan commentators on the networks do you think have such “conflicts”? All of them?
He wrote a memo in July? Are you suggesting he, a long-standing Republican consultant and advisor didn’t believe what he wrote, or wrote it only because of “ad buying” it is claimed he was retained for four months later??? This is clownishly stupid.
But it is the Dem playbook — ignore the substance and attack, attack, attack the opposition. Attack Republicans. Find a bogeyman and attack him as an agent of forces hostile to ordinary people and America itself. Divide, demonize, and avoid talking about the substance.
Van Jones was right.
Greg
I know you are not in charge of IT but if you could ask those guys to come up with an ignore button it would be greatly appreciated
“But it is the Dem playbook — ignore the substance and attack, attack, attack the opposition. Attack Republicans. Find a bogeyman and attack him as an agent of forces hostile to ordinary people and America itself. Divide, demonize, and avoid talking about the substance.”
Are you people never going to get tired of Projection?
I’d think by now you’d be bored silly with it, but apparently the right only exists to project onto the left everything that the right is – without us you’d be lost because you’d have to face the reality that every time you accuse us of something like that, it’s because that is what YOU have been doing and so it’s foremost on your little creepy minds.
“They have zero credibility.”
That’s it. Repeat, repeat, repeat.
Pelosi doing a bang-up job:
“I want to send our conferees to the table with the most muscle for America’s middle class,” she said.
This is about going into that room and coming out with the best coverage and the lowest cost for America’s working families. I believe that that is best achieved by going to the table with the public option. I believe that the arguments are very convincing, public support is there, and, by the way, the dollars. The robust public option that is being considered in the House saves $110 billion. How can you ignore that?
Pelosi said that House health care leaders will make a decision about whether to endorse a Medicare-like public option in “the next few days.” In that time, the House will ask the CBO to evaluate the savings potential of three different public option proposals, and make a final determination based on the results.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/pelosi-comes-out-swinging-for-the-public-option.php
Yes, Nancy. Excellent work.
All the right is is a funhouse mirror that does nothing but reflect a distorted version of itself onto everyone it catches in its reflection.
Ethan – thanks. I love our Speaker. I know she’s damned effective, cause the right absolutely loathes her.
Good work, Madam Speaker.
Spot on Tena re: projection.
Meanwhile, 26 Republican members of the House Financial Services Committee voted AGAINST regulating the financial products that caused the economic collapse. Unbelievable.
The 43-to-26 vote by the Financial Services Committee was mostly along party lines and was a big step in President Obama’s proposed overhaul of rules covering the nation’s financial system.
The measure is part of a bill that will be debated by the House and Senate. Michael S. Barr, the assistant Treasury secretary for financial institutions, called the bill “absolutely essential to preserving a strong marketplace.”
One common derivative is the credit default swap, which has been cited repeatedly in the various examinations of the near-collapse of the financial system.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/16/business/16regulate.html
Go Obama! Regulate these Wild West of Wall Street Criminals.
“Unbelievable.”
Well it would be if they hadn’t just days ago voted in against letting rape victims take their rapists to court if those rapists work for say, Haliburton.
Ethan, that’s going to be damned hard to top.
And Ethan – the Regulators are saddling up.
Give ‘em hell, Madame Speaker! You know she’s doing something right when wingnuttia likes to Tweet her as Hitler’s handmaiden. LOL!
I find it somewhat humorous that the GOP searches for ways to connect with women, but then has the temerity to publish the Pelosi=Hitler, or the Sotomayor=cleaning lady, or ‘have Gen. (fill in the blank) put Pelosi in her place’, or HRC the murderous lesbian, and wonder why women aren’t rushing (sorry) to join up. But then I’m a ‘Murika hatin’ librul, so cognitive dissonance is not my forte.
Shorter qb: Everything conservatives do, especially including torture, is right. Everything non-conservatives do is extreme liberal and wrong.
qb no longer needs to comment at all.
oddjob – Well done – you totally sewed that up.
“Ginsburg was taken to Washington Hospital Center around 11:15 p.m. Wednesday by paramedics and released Thursday morning, court officials said.
Ginsburg, along with Chief Justice John Roberts and justices Stephen Breyer and Antonin Scalia, was heading to London to take part in ceremonies marking the opening of Britain’s new Supreme Court.
“Prior to the plane taking off, the justice experienced extreme drowsiness causing her to fall from her seat,” a court statement said. “Paramedics were called and the justice was taken to the Washington Hospital Center as a precaution.”
The statement said doctors attributed her symptoms to a reaction caused by the combination of a prescription sleeping aid and an over-the-counter cold medicine.
Ginsburg was still in Washington Thursday morning, court officials said. It was not clear whether she would still attempt to make the London trip.
Breyer, who was flying with Ginsburg and got off the plane, took a later flight to London. Roberts and Scalia had taken an earlier flight.
This is the second time Ginsburg has been hospitalized in the last month. She was taken to Washington Hospital Center on Sept. 24 after falling ill at her Supreme Court office.”
I hate to say it, but I think Obama is going to be appointing another SCOTUS justice. This doesn’t make me upset, though I don’t wish Justice Ginsberg ill at all.
Oops – here’s the link
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2009/10/justice_ginsburg_hospitalized_overnight_released.php
Not sure if people here read Naked Capitalism. It’s a site I got hooked on a while back. They’ve got an interesting story up on how Republicans are trying to tank the market through negative press.
They liken it to a game of chess and sacrificing your queen to get to the king.
Honestly, I buy it. As I’ve stated numerous times, Republicans will do anything to get back into power, regardless of if it’s bad for Americans in the short term.
“Honestly, I buy it.”
Honestly, I do too. But what I find appalling is how man on the left are letting themselves be tools for this.
man = should have been many
She’s already made it clear she’s very tough-minded when it comes to functioning despite illness. I wish her well, but hope she doesn’t wait until she has no choice but to retire when a Republican is in office.
regardless of if it’s bad for Americans in the short term
Or the long term.
Mr. Sargent:
“Dems Rip Insurance Industry, GOP Over News About Alex Castellanos”
Just out of curiosity, do you consciously strive to copy the headline style of the 1950’s era Communist organ “The Daily Worker”?
oddjob – totally agree. It’s different for a justice -they can function when they aren’t 100% – they have really fine help in their clerks.
So it’s hard to know if she’ll hang on and like you, I hope she doesn’t wait until a Republican is in the White House. And that said, I still do not wish her anything but well.
“Just out of curiosity, do you consciously strive to copy the headline style of the 1950’s era Communist organ “The Daily Worker”?”
I’ve decided Bilgeman is a parody troll. Nobody could seriously post this s*h*i*t.
LOLOLOLOL!
You guys used to be funny with the “projection” schtick, but it’s so played out an pathetic at this point. You all should go review Alinsky’s rules again, especicially Rule 12. Conventiently, as he explained it, it also addresses oddjob’s clumsy rejoinder by placing precise principal he attributes to me where it properly belongs — on the polarizing, radical left, that is, your ideology.
It isn’t necessary for me or anyone to play amateur psychologist by accusing the left of projection. It’s more of a conscious deception and confusion technique that you employ. You just accuse those you attack while claiming you are being attacked.
Just look at this example of Castellanos. Who is doing the attacking and marginalizing? Who has identified an opponent to attack personally, to isolate and freeze him, and delegitimize his perspective? Who is distracting from the substance with an ad hominem attack?
Your side, huh? So all your talk about projection is just bunk — or maybe projection.
qb, that’s silly. You’re just projecting. You constantly accuse those you attack while claiming you are being attacked. Non stop.
Attack attack attack, feign victim. Attack attack attack, feign victim.
Re tanking the market, do I really have to say it again — what do you think the left spent eight years working at? Democrats never stopped trashing the economy. Or think back to 1991, when Bill Clinton and his crew went around saying we were next to another depression with no recovery in sight, when in fact the economy had been growing for months.
Good grief, be original for once. Come up with an accusation that isn’t from your own playbook.
“what do you think the left spent eight years working at?”
That’s the dumbest thing yet. For eight years the Right was in charge. For 6 you had it all – Executive and Legislative.
The left starting pointing out where the weaknesses in the economy were to try to avoid what ended up happening – The Republicans crashed the goddamn economy – AGAIN. Twice in 80 years you broke the US economy totally.
Sorry, mike, but you’re objectively wrong. The article at top is an attack by liberals on a Republican — and a completely phony and diversionary one.
You can use all the playground arguments you want, but it won’t change that.
“You guys used to be funny with the “projection” schtick, but it’s so played out an pathetic at this point. ”
Then stop doing it.
Tell me one damn thing the right stands for besides: Liberals are the worst thing in the world. Even when you had the majority, you whined about being victims of the evil liberals.
Complete bull, Tena. But in any event not the point. Democrats never stopped trying to talk the economy into recession. And they never stopped trying to thwart Republican growth policies. Now, I will be the first to say Bush and many Republicans abandoned conservative for liberal economics on more occasions and in grander scale than I like to think about, but don’t even try to pretend Dems weren’t always talking the economy down. Don’t be stupid.
qb, just give it up. so stupid.
“{Tell me one damn thing the right stands for ”
“Complete bull, Tena”
My god, we agree!
LOL
“Even when you had the majority, you whined about being victims of the evil liberals.”
This site, particularly posters like you, is largely devoted to the perpetual victimhood of the left and the categorical evil of the right, even though you have more control over the government than either party has had in decades. You have total power, and yet you whine here every day about the evil Republicans. It really does remind me of mental illness involving paranoia.
What does the right stand for? I can tell you some things conservatism stands for. Smaller rather than larger governement. Smaller rather than larger social institutions, organic to society rather than shaped or managed by government and bureaucracy. Respect for heritage and he wisdom of past generations. Respect for private property and initiative and liberty.
Well, no need to go on, but those are a few general ideas.
Gawd, what’s more irritating than a fvcking troll ? A stupid fvcking troll. Idjit.
“A stupid fvcking troll. Idjit.”
They have no sense of humor.
Maybe everyone who’s worried about the Repubs trashing the economy right now and supposedly trying to force the market down to prove their point, which I don’t particularly buy, given that it’s Boehner in charge of this supposed strategy, should go out and buy stock or buy products or hire a worker. Just a thought. Some of us still have a little money.
I’m sorry I really don’t think we have anything to fear from the Repubs yet. If things don’t start getting better in respect to jobs we can start worrying. If we don’t pass a good HCR bill or climate change legislation or regulation we can believe in, then we can start to worry.
I am glad to see the Dems hitting back against whatever comes up in the current news cycle.
Imsinca – on the retail front, I do what I can.
LOL!
it also addresses oddjob’s clumsy rejoinder by placing precise principal he attributes to me where it properly belongs — on the polarizing, radical left, that is, your ideology.
I’m not the one who brags about how they’d waterboard even though it’s illegal and ineffective unless you want to produce false information and false confessions.
You are a disgrace to this country and what it stands for.
You and yours belong in a dictatorship.
Speaking of “Whining”, ole Rushbo is getting pretty good at it.
“Private Consortium of Republicans and Billionaires Conspire to Deny Rush Limbaugh an NFL Franchise”
“The perverse whining continues on the right about a privately owned, multi-billion dollar industry making a business decision about being associated with a hugely unpopular drug-addicted *** tourist who says offensive **** on a daily basis for a living.”
“According to the report, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell told the NFL Fall League Meeting: “I think divisive comments are not what the NFL is all about. I would not want to see those kind of comments from people who are in a responsible position within the NFL.”
“Who is Roger Goodell? The son of former Republican US Senator, Charles E. Goodell, who supported John McCain for president. Another leftist, out to get El Rushbo.”
This just in from El Rushbo:
“This is not about the NFL, it’s not about the St. Louis Rams, it’s not about me,” Limbaugh said. “This is about the ongoing effort by the left in this country, wherever you find them, in the media, the Democrat Party, or wherever, to destroy conservatism, to prevent the mainstreaming of anyone who is prominent as a conservative.”
“Therefore, this is about the future of the United States of America and what kind of country we’re going to have.”
“on the polarizing, radical left, that is, your ideology.”
It just won’t stop making my case for me.
““Therefore, this is about the future of the United States of America and what kind of country we’re going to have.””
O my god – Rush just claimed that he’s AMerica. LOLOLOLOL!!
Well he’s big enough to be Alaska, anyway. LOLOLOL
“Therefore, this is about the future of the United States of America and what kind of country we’re going to have.”
Obviously he doesn’t like the suggestion that the country he wants to have is one where n*ggers know their place, even though he’s already suggested that for the safety of white kids we need to bring back school segregation.
Seriously – yes it is about the kind of country we have and are going to have, and it’s the same kind of America we have always had and will continue to have and it’s not your idea of America, Rush.
Sorry – the majority totally disagrees with you.
limp is pi$$ed because he didn’t get his pony. Typical rethug whiny bully.
Can QB SBJ or another conservative answer the fundamental question Tena posed earlier.
How do you explain away the FACT that the Repubs have nearly destroyed our entire national fabric and economy twice in 60 years. At the time of both the Depression and last year’s collapse Repubs had been in charge.
Read Norton Garfinkel’s “The Gospel of Wealth versus the American Dream” Yes alas lots of dry statistical FACTS to show just how INCOMPETENT the Repubs have been historically in their economic thinking and governance. But also some interesting analysis. For example…what happened to the Republican Party of Lincoln? He believed…OMG hang on her SBJ, QB that the government indeed had a responsibility to help further the American Dream of the “common man” Somewhere in the late 1800’s the Repubs became the party of we got ours because God thinks we’re special and if you poor people were in better standing in God’s eyes you wouldn’t have to suffer so much…ahhh the Gilded Age..no child labor laws..hell no labor laws at all…that’s when American was great..when greedy rich people could capture the vast majority of our nation’s wealth at the expense of the common man. And now…well after 8 years of Reagan…and an even worse 8 years of Bush we are right back to the Gilded Age…hampered only by some of those damn liberal child labor laws and other Democratic interference in the workplace.
Bottom line conservatives…the FACTS are in…you were WRONG…the Laffer curve has been totally discredited…not by some liberal think tank or economist but by REALITY. What part of utter and abject failure do you not understand. You guys screwed the pooch…move over an give us a chance. FDR fixed it…given enough time perhaps we can clean up your horrid messes once again.
Trickle down HAS NOT worked….Keynsian approaches have produced far better MEASUREABLE RESULTS. Just look at the scorecard!!!
“I’m not the one who brags about how they’d waterboard even though it’s illegal and ineffective unless you want to produce false information and false confessions.”
No, I’m just not a hypocrite who claims on internet boards there are no circumstances under which he would waterboard a mass murdering terrorist. You would sacrifice your family, or so you say. I say that makes you a moral monster or a hypocrite.
Nice irrelevant diversion, though.
Yeah, it’s pretty funny for him to blame the left for preventing his mainstreaming as a prominent conservative when it the consortium of Republicans and billionaires who left him out in the cold.
I would like to think even qb would find this a bit ironic.
One would think that anyone would take one look at that glossily fat egomaniac light one of those huge cigars and instantly think: “I’m hanging onto my wallet.” Not: o my god, I believe everything this man says before he even says it…”
“You would sacrifice your family, or so you say. I say that makes you a moral monster or a hypocrite. ”
Um, dude – don’t look now, but that would make the Christian God a moral monster or a hypocrite.
“Gawd, what’s more irritating than a fvcking troll ? A stupid fvcking troll. Idjit.”
It is irritating for you to be confronted by actual facts, isn’t it, at least when they contradict your delusions and interrupt your smearfests? And still no one has even tried to counter the facts I pointed out. No surprise.
Again, it is your side attacking Castellanos — polarizing, isolating, personalizing, and avoiding the substance. Please go review your Alinsky and the neo-Marxists and then tell me it isn’t your playbook. It’s exactly what he said — never stop attacking, and convince people that “all the angels are on one side and all the devils are on the other.” That’s Alinsky. Remember, both Obama and HRC studied and idolized him, and Obama taught his principles in his former “career.”
Imsinca,
Do you consider it whining to fight back against a widespread campaign of libel and slander — consisting of fabricated quotations being repeated throughout the major networks and media? Do you deny that that happened here?
Is it different because it’s Rush Limbaugh?
Tena,
You aren’t very good at theology, either, are you?
Hmmmm: Alinksy vs. Lee Atwater.
I think I’ll just let the world decide on who is polarizing here.
Now to have some fun with qb and other wingnut trolls here.
Republicans in the House have lost a bid to block the transfer of any detainees held at the Guantanamo Bay prison to the United States.
Instead, the House stood by a Democratic plan to allow suspected enemy combatants held at Guantanamo to be shipped to U.S. soil only to be prosecuted for their suspected crimes.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/15/house-votes-to-allow-guan_n_322553.html
“You aren’t very good at theology, either, are you?”
LOL!
You want to explain that? I expect not, but go ahead – give it a try.
amk – Awesome!!!
“I would like to think even qb would find this a bit ironic.”
Not really. I don’t know anything about the other people in the group, or even how many there were. But it was a foregone conclusion after the national libel campaign led by CNN, ESPN, Jesse “Hymieteown” Jackson et al. Oh and don’t forget Al Sharpton, who was probably interrupted from scouting for his next white-on-black rape hoax to pimp.
But I think the whole episode is pretty disgusting. None of you have listened to Rush enough to have clue about it, I am quite sure. I’m not his biggest fan, but the idea that a piece of slime like Keith Ubermoron is acceptable company in the NFL world but not Rush really takes the cake.
For example…what happened to the Republican Party of Lincoln?
It died in the House of Representatives when Rutherford Hayes became president. That was when the GOP traded its soul for power.
qb
Are you saying that the Consortium of Republicans and Billionaires aren’t intelligent or conservative enough to read between the lines of Limbaugh’s rhetoric on their own and bought into your theory of smears from the left?
amk,
As usual you don’t seem to have a coherent point. But this is funny: “President Obama has ordered the facility closed in January but has yet to offer a plan to accomplish that.”
Nice irrelevant diversion, though.
Actually, it’s central. You want to be a war criminal, not a patriot.
That’s why you & yours don’t belong in this country.
I suggest they xfer 100% of Guantanamo detainees to qb’s hometown.
Hey qb idjit. Read lmsinca’s post on who kicked out that my-head-in-my-fat-a$$-and-I-love-it limp from having his football gig ?
“But I think the whole episode is pretty disgusting. None of you have listened to Rush enough to have clue about it, I am quite sure. I’m not his biggest fan, but the idea that a piece of slime like Keith Ubermoron is acceptable company in the NFL world but not Rush really takes the cake.”
Of course – I mean, Olbermann has gone on and one about black quarterbacks being there due to affirmative action.
O wait, that was Rush. Hmmmm. Feminazis? That was Rush, too. Well, I’ll keep trying -
The right not only doomed itself with this nonsense, it just will not accept the fact that it has doomed itself with this nonsense.
Imsinca,
Of course not. I’m saying they are businessmen, very rich ones (as I hear it). Their belief or disbelief of the accusations is irrelevant. Unless you have some source that says they decided he is a racist slavery proponent, I assume they just decided controversy wouldn’t be a good thing. If you have any experience with business people with a lot of money, this was a no brainer, ideology aside.
Rush just found out that hate has consequences and it’s about damn time.
“That’s why you & yours don’t belong in this country.”
Yet you are so blind as to accuse the right of precisely that of which you are guilty. And you imagine it is paranoid of people like me who question our safety, security, and liberty with people like you in power.
Now do you get it, qb, the court idjit ? Even rich repugs think limp is poisonous radioactive trash.
“The right not only doomed itself with this nonsense, it just will not accept the fact that it has doomed itself with this nonsense.”
Word. And let them continue to believe in their delusions.
“Of course not. I’m saying they are businessmen,”
Ergo – the Right is bad for business.
qb
I agree, it was a business decision pure and simple. You miss my point though, that Rush is blaming it on the left and saying it threatens the fabric of America or some such nonsense. Really?
Nancy raises the hackles of the insurance industry again.
She also said the House was now considering adding to its health care bill a $6.7 billion-a-year fee on insurance companies that is part of the Senate Finance package.
“There are some things we’d like to see happen to the insurance companies that they might not like,” Pelosi said.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/pelosi-comes-out-swinging-for-the-public-option.php?ref=mp
“Rush just found out that hate has consequences and it’s about damn time.”
Amen Sister. Sorry don’t know if I should have used the amen word since QB has pointed out you know nothing about theology Tena. LMAO
Tena,
If you had any clue about theology, or even some common sense, you would see how absurd your statement was. It stands as its own statement of ignorance.
Suffice it to say that, in the hypothetical situation implied, oddjob, choosing to allow his family to be murdered by terrorists, rather than waterboarding, say, SKM, to prevent their murder, isn’t (1) God, (2) sacrificing his sinless Son, (3) to pay for the sins of the world, (4) as part of an eternal plan of salvation in which the Son will rise again, and, as it happens, oddjob’s family also isn’t (4) the Son of God, (5) who is voluntarily laying down his life for the world.
Other than those sorts of minor differences, yeah, your point was brilliant. Lesson over.
“If you had any clue about theology, or even some common sense, you would see how absurd your statement was. It stands as its own statement of ignorance.”
What a great non-answer answer.
I didn’t think you’d touch it. I was right. LOL!
qb – are you really going to make me recite the Nicene Creed? I was high church Episcopal before I became a non-Christian. I can recite the thing in my sleep.
Yet you are so blind as to accuse the right of precisely that of which you are guilty. And you imagine it is paranoid of people like me who question our safety, security, and liberty with people like you in power.
I’m a political moderate. I voted twice for Ronald Reagan.
You just demonstrated how off the reservation you are.
A torturer wanna-be prattles on about doctrinal Christianity.
Jesus wept.
Imsinca,
No, I didn’t hear Rush today, but I don’t think he is saying his not being able to be an NFL owner is a threat to the country. I think he is saying the left launched a libel campaign to destroy him and this opportunity in particular, and it worked as to the latter. The larger campaign to destroy and silence him goes on. The left absolutely is to “blame” for it. I don’t see how that is debatable. You think the other group members didn’t know who he was when they formed the group? Of course they did.
This is something that just amazes me about the left. You do things like this and then act shocked that you get credit or “blame” for them. How is it that the left has attacked and tried to destroy him and get him off the air for years, and yet you think it is crazy to say that is what you are doing?
Tena,
That’s great, you can recite all the creeds you want, but you still missed by a mile. Maybe you just didn’t think before you typed. In any event, I gave you some points of distinction, so I don’t know what you are bellyaching about. If you can recite formal doctrine, you should know better.
oddjob,
“I’m a political moderate. I voted twice for Ronald Reagan.
You just demonstrated how off the reservation you are.”
You can claim to be anything or to have voted for anyone you want. What I know from reading your comments for some time now is that you are a viciously spiteful and hateful person who has repeatedly said people who disagree with you are unAmerican, unpatriotic, and need to be removed from the country. You are an exclusionist and “eliminationist” and if given half the chance I don’t doubt you would help carry your malicious dreams into action against dissenters.
What I know from reading your comments for some time now is that you are a viciously spiteful and hateful person who has repeatedly said people who disagree with you are unAmerican, unpatriotic, and need to be removed from the country.
You don’t know me at all. You know how I feel about a piece of s**t like you.
You belong in a dictatorship, among your own kind.
SUBJECTS.
“I think he is saying the left launched a libel campaign to destroy him and this opportunity in particular, and it worked as to the latter.”
How the hell do you libel someone with their very own words? Will you please explain that?
That’s funny oddjob,
Here you’ve been calling me every name in the book including a war criminal. And as far as I know, we’ve never met and you don’t know me at all either. Yeah, really funny. But I pegged you pretty well, that much I can tell.
You did that to yourself, where all could see.
You belong in a dictatorship where you can be safe.
Your analysis of me is as f*cked up as your analysis of everything else.
You remain a war criminal wannabe, by your own admission.
“How the hell do you libel someone with their very own words? Will you please explain that?”
CNN et al repeated FABRICATED quotations. Go searching, I’m not doing it for you this time. They were fabricated by — yes, anonymous leftwing bloggers and commenters.
qb
I have personally heard many of the offensive things Rush says on a daily basis, and really I don’t care that much. He’s just another shock jock to me. I just find it very ironic for him to be whining about getting rebuffed by the consortium for doing what he does best, create controversy. He is well paid and well connected because of the image he has created for himself, only this time it back fired on him.
Blame the left if you want, but he’s undone himself this time.
“That’s great, you can recite all the creeds you want, but you still missed by a mile. Maybe you just didn’t think before you typed. In any event, I gave you some points of distinction, so I don’t know what you are bellyaching about. If you can recite formal doctrine, you should know better.”
So, God didn’t give the world His Only Begotten Son to suffer and die for our sins? God didn’t sacrifice His Own Family for us?
Dude = what the hell kind of Christian are you?
And show me one fabricated quote from Limbaugh. One. I’ll show you one hundred that are worse that are direct quotes.
Dude = what the hell kind of Christian are you?
One who wants to torture others in the name of the state.
Imsinca,
I don’t disagree someone like Rush can expect controversy. But I think it is pretty outrageous when the media engages in a 24-48 hour storm of outright defamation based on fabricated quotations that they never verified. And I do think any fairminded person ought to be troubled by that.
There is also a clear double standard.
“And show me one fabricated quote from Limbaugh. One. I’ll show you one hundred that are worse that are direct quotes.”
Baloney. Like I said, the quotations highlighted by CNN and others were false. LOOK IT UP. FIND ME WHERE RUSH SAID SLAVERY HAD MERIT OR JER SHOULD GET AN AWARD. NO ONE HAS YET. THEY TRACE TO ANONYMOUS POSTERS. And if there were 100 worse, why were these used to attack him??? If the case against Rush-the-racist is so great, why make up this stuff?
“utright defamation based on fabricated quotations that they never verified. And I do think any fairminded person ought to be troubled by that.
There is also a clear double standard.”
Show us the money! Show us a fabricated quote and I promise you I’ll show you a thousand direct quotes from Limbaugh that are worse than any so-called fabricated quote could be.
God – the ice is not just thin – it’s breaking under your feet. There are entire websites that quote Limbaugh word for racist,sexist, hateful word.
“So, God didn’t give the world His Only Begotten Son to suffer and die for our sins? God didn’t sacrifice His Own Family for us?”
Obviously, you didn’t read my whole post. This is a false analogy.
I’ve never claimed to be a Christian, btw.
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* Limbaugh claims his attack on Michael J. Fox was misrepresented, references “phony soldiers,” “ESPN situation”
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* Limbaugh attacks Sharpton, Jackson, feminist head of “the NAGS,” “den of thieves” on left
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* Limbaugh again refers to Sharpton as a “race hustler,” adds Jackson to list
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* Limbaugh calls NFL “outpost of racism and liberalism”
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* Limbaugh on failed NFL bid: Soros’ “left-wing slant” “fits in perfectly apparently with what the [NFL] is becoming”
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* Conservative radio launches sexist attacks against Snowe, Collins
6 hours and 47 minutes ago filed under Research
* Campbell Brown: “Limbaugh’s politics were just too controversial for the group trying to buy the St. Louis Rams”
October 14, 2009 9:03 pm ET filed under MMtv
* O’Reilly admits Limbaugh’s McNabb comment was “divisive,” but says it wasn’t “racist” and defends his NFL bid
October 14, 2009 8:42 pm ET filed under MMtv
* Checketts statement: Limbaugh dropped because his “involvement… has become a complication… endangering our bid”
October 14, 2009 7:56 pm ET filed under Blog
* Nightly News reports Limbaugh dropped from Rams bid due to opposition to “his divisive comments on race”
October 14, 2009 7:47 pm ET filed under MMtv
* CNN reports Limbaugh dropped from Rams bid, cites his “comments in years past about race”
October 14, 2009 7:25 pm ET filed under MMtv
* Limbaugh reportedly to be dropped from St. Louis Rams bid
October 14, 2009 4:41 pm ET filed under Blog
* Limbaugh complains that rappers “own parts of NBA teams” and “[t]hey’re celebrated – ‘Cool, daddy, cool!’”
October 14, 2009 4:19 pm ET filed under MMtv
* Citing no evidence, Limbaugh claims NFL “Bloods and the Crips” comment taken out of context
October 14, 2009 3:42 pm ET filed under MMtv
* Limbaugh: Sharpton is a “race hustler”
October 14, 2009 2:55 pm ET filed under MMtv
* After playing Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee’s criticism of his comments about McNabb, Limbaugh accuses her of “spread[ing] lies”
October 14, 2009 2:55 pm ET filed under MMtv
* Limbaugh on Sen. Collins saying she may support health care reform: “Women!”
October 14, 2009 2:51 pm ET filed under MMtv
* Limbaugh: “Pay czar” Feinberg is “pay Nazi,” “these are dark, dark days for our country”
October 14, 2009 2:27 pm ET filed under MMtv
* Limbaugh’s latest euthanasia fearmongering: Dems plan to “kill you”
October 14, 2009 2:18 pm ET filed under MMtv
* Referencing Prejean, Limbaugh calls Perez Hilton a “lunatic, radical, sick, gay blogger”
October 14, 2009 1:56 pm ET filed under MMtv
* Limbaugh still lying about his “phony soldiers” smear
October 14, 2009 1:22 pm ET filed under MMtv
* Limbaugh calls investigative journalist Seymour Hersh “a lunatic”
October 14, 2009 1:06 pm ET filed under MMtv
* Limbaugh’s “color-blind” history of racially charged comments
October 13, 2009 5:18 pm ET filed under Research
* NFL commissioner Goodell: Limbaugh’s “divisive comments are not what the N.F.L. is all about”
October 13, 2009 3:41 pm ET filed under Blog
* Limbaugh responds to ex-Ram Farr saying Limbaugh “plays a race line” by saying Farr has read “lies, drivel, and junk”
October 13, 2009 3:41 pm ET filed under MMtv
* Attacking Obama tax cut proposal, Limbaugh claims, “every gun the government has is aimed at us”
October 13, 2009 3:09 pm ET filed under MMtv
* Limbaugh attacks state of Maine, says “saw the state off and let it float out to sea”
October 13, 2009 3:06 pm ET filed under MMtv
* Limbaugh returns to euthanasia fearmongering: “Cradle to grave care” now means gov’t “decide[s] when to dig the grave”
October 13, 2009 2:45 pm ET filed under MMtv
* Attacking Snowe, Limbaugh refers to “new castrati,” the phrase he used to attack Hillary Clinton supporters
October 13, 2009 1:54 pm ET filed under MMtv
* Like clockwork: Snowe says she’ll vote for health bill, Limbaugh attacks Snowe as “predictable joke”
That’s page 1 of 44 and every entry is a link to a direct damn quote from Rush’s radio show.
http://mediamatters.org/search/tag/rush_limbaugh
Tena,
Wow, you are doubling down bigtime.
So you believe if it is on the internet it is true, huh? You had better go do some research. Show me proof that Rush said slavery has merit or JER should get an award. Then show me 1000 ACTUAl quotations.
Should be easy for you. The loonies at MM and Dkos have been recording and trasncribing every word Rush says for years.
Should have said, 1000 ACTUAl quotations worse than those.
Doubling down on what? Those are links to direct words spoken directly by RUsh on the air and there are 44 pages of them.
And you think that the very crux of the message of Christianity is that one should love every other human as oneself? How is that not explicit in the idea of sacrifice?
God you’re dishonest and not bright.
I should have said:
And you think that the very crux of the message of Christianity which is that one should love every other human as oneself, isn’t explicit in sacrifice? Do you truly not understand that? Truly?
What on earth do you think that big MM link proves? So MM thinks Rush says 100 offensive things every day. Big deal.
Show me the proof he said slavery has merit or JER should get an award. Put up or shut up.
There is no double standard. The big whig consortium of Republicans and Billionaires refused Rush entry into their party because he is too controvercial, an image he both created and profits from. Whatever the left has done to smear him, he enjoys, that is part of his image and his show, it’s what keeps his listeners tuning in. In this case it backfired and he couldn’t get into the group. Do you really feel sorry for him and his profits? I don’t.
“And you think that the very crux of the message of Christianity which is that one should love every other human as oneself, isn’t explicit in sacrifice? Do you truly not understand that? Truly?”
You think allowing a terrorist to murder your family rather than waterboard his partner is the same thing? If you would defend yourself or your family from an attacker, you would violate your own principle. I am not a pacifist. Unles you are, you don’t believe what you are saying, either.
Imsinca,
No, I don’t feel sorry for him. But it’s a sad thing that major media and hacks like Jesse Jackson just repeat anonymous internet libel to thwart a business deal for someone they hate because of his politics. I’m trying to think of when something similar has happened and can’t. Certainly, liberals are pretty much immune to this kind of treatment, no matter what outrageous things they say.
I know it’s late in this thread but really…if we are going to wade in on Christianity…what did Christ teach…
“Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they who mourn,
for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek,
for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they shall be satisfied.
Blessed are the merciful,
for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure of heart,
for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called children of God.
Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.”
Gospel of St. Matthew 5:3-10
Well I know we ALL have our own interpretation…but QB really….if we view these 8 beatitudes it looks at least on the surface..connecting the dots anyway..that neither Rush nor Palin will be inheriting the earth since neither could hardly be classified as meek by any stretch of the word..even by you QB!!
And perhaps we could even say QB that you and your idols the Cheney family should not be called children of God because you are hardly peacemakers.
Listen we ALL fall short…but SERIOUSLY…the right should be the LAST to EVER inject Christianity into politics…just look at those Beatitudes and tell me what in the right resembles anything like them.
ruk,
Get over yourself. And read before you post.
I didn’t inject religion. Tena did.
Your opinions about who best models the beatitudes are worth nothing. The left not only doesn’t live them but as a rule despises and rejects them. And it most certainly rejects their application to politics. Oh, no, I forgot, that is only when it isn’t convenient. Obama decided it’s okay to use religion and scripture to justify policy again.
You’re just caught in more hypocrisy, here. Give it up.
qb
Van Jones comes to mind right off the top of my head. And again, and them I am leaving for awhile, Rush has suffered the consequences of his own self-created image at the hands of those he admires and wants to join.
Imsinca,
Not sure I follow the last part, but that’s okay. At some level, I agree that if you want to be a high-profile public figure engaging political controversy — and by controversy I simply mean giving opinions about politics and events — it is foreseeable that it can affect other business dealings, especialy something else that carries a public profile like the NFL. But there should still be consequences for all the defamation with false quotations, and there should be acknowledgement by the many media and sports figures who trafficked in it that they were wrong. Millions of people now think Rush supports slavery, because a lot of people flat out lied. That isn’t a matter of interpretation or characterization; it was completely fabricated.
You think allowing a terrorist to murder your family rather than waterboard his partner is the same thing? If you would defend yourself or your family from an attacker, you would violate your own principle. I am not a pacifist. Unles you are, you don’t believe what you are saying, either.
It creates a hypothetical that never happens except on television, and then justifies the embrace of torture on that basis.
Then it calls me a moral monster.
QB…I connected the dots for you and you still couldn’t respond with any FACTS!!!
You lamely reply..”The left not only doesn’t live them but as a rule despises and rejects them.”
I was VERY specific…and you were quite general…in fact I believe with the abssence of specficity we could characterize your statement as a simple ad hominem attack on the left.
And so Q.B. Let’s have a reality check or should I say credibility check….
Christ spoke often of the poor in addition to that “Blessed are the poor…..” Which party do you suppose best represents the intereste of the poor? How about even the middle class. FACTUALLY QB there has been the greatest shift of wealth in the 8 Bush years with their obscene tax cuts for the wealthiest and there deregulation of the financial industry. Somehow it’s really hard to imagine Christ as thinking let the pigs at the top keep most and whatever TRICKLES down is fine.
Christ spoke of the Meek…Q.B. are you saying Palin or Rush is meek…perhaps Cheney…is there perhaps one party that views meekness in our foreign policy…hell meekness..simple diplomacy as a weakness? Is there onne party that wishes to approach the world with a modicum of modesty? Something Lizard brain Cheney finds totally unacceptable.
Which party would be considered more merciful?
I could go on bro but you need to cut your losses while you can before Liam, Tena, or Bernie really eviscerate your argument. I gave you specifics…save your typing if you are going to respond with ad hominem generalities.
BTW…I’m too lazy to scroll all the way back up the thread and so I’ll concede your point that Tena started it….if it’s about the right and left and Christianity my friend you should simply not engage you have the LOSING hand.
Ruk,
You aren’t just lazy, you are obviously drunk. Yeah, right, you gave SPECIFICS and FACTS. Believe me, I’ve debated your foolish “Jesus is a liberal/Jesus is a socialist” nonsense with lots of smart people, and you have no leg to stand on. I’m not going to bother again with you, because you are too lacking in basic logical capacity for us to have a coherent discussion.
All I want to point out is how laughable it is that you, a proud lefty Dem, are now advocating your ideology based on the Bible. Apparently the “wall of separation” only applies to conservatives in your incoherent world. You are advocating that the government enforce (your version of) the Beatitudes. Congratulations on becoming a theocrat.
“It creates a hypothetical that never happens except on television, and then justifies the embrace of torture on that basis.
Then it calls me a moral monster.”
Your foolishness and will to ignore reality are astounding.
qb
You’re asking for something that will never happen just as I’m pretty sure folks on the right spreading the Birther controversey, so much so that a large portion of Republicans aren’t sure that Obama was born in the US, will never apologize.
Haven’t we already established there is vitriol on both the right and the left and now we can agree that there are also fabrications, innuendo and out right lies from both sides? That shouldn’t prevent us from pointing out the hypocrisy and inconsistencies though.
And frankly, I’ve heard enough from Rush to know that he is a racist, and so I can’t help but celebrate a bit when he gets denied a little something he wants by the people he seems to admire.
Imsinca,
I’ll keep it civil. That just tells me that you are one of the many liberals for whom conservative = racist. I don’t think I’m surprised, but it’s too bad. But then, you didn’t think your side called Bush a Nazi, etc., which suggests you hear what you want or expect to hear and not what doesnt’ fit your preconception.
qb
No, I don’t think or believe that conservative=racist. I grew up with a racist father, and I recognize the language and undertones when I hear them. Do I care that Rush is a racist, not particularly.
I also never thought Bush was a Nazi or called him one. I’m entitled to an opinion on Rush but it doesn’t mean I’m going to do anything about it, it’s just an opinion.
I try really hard to debate you based on your words, not everyone else’s opinion of you, you might try to do the same and not judge me based on your opinion of others on the left.
You and Scott C. both try to get all disappointed in me because you discover I have a mind of my own, but sometimes agree with other posters here. Personally, I don’t really give a s**t.
@Imsinca…I’ve come to realize that you’ll never be able to have a truly rational conversation with QB. I hate the name calling that goes on in the blogosphere but QB is simply a mental midget. He is illogical in the extreme and his following of the Limbaugh meme that we are saying all conservatives are racist is simply absurd.
It would be the logical equivalent of saying…bald men suffer from too much testosterone…therefore all men with too much testosterone are bald…NO they do not follow necessarily and nobody is saying the arrogant fat blowhard being a racist makes all conservatives racist…in fact I don’t view Rush as a conservative…he is not conservative or liberal…he is simply out for himself and completely self delusional…kinda like QB…two peas from the same pod…but just because QB and Rush are idiots doesn’t mean that it follows that all conservatives are idiots…but certainly QB and Rush fall into that column.
rukidding
I know, I keep trying to give people the benefit of the doubt, but it’s not working out too well. I’m an optimist at heart so I’ll probably keep trying but you may well be right. He and I haven’t even started talking about AF/Pak yet so I kind of know where that will end up. Even if I have an intelligent and well reasoned argument he’s always right and I’m always wrong. It was the same with Scott C. Oh well, such is life. There’s still Freehold and sbj to debate and you to agree with most of the time.
When someone kicks you in the groin, you would be an idiot not to remember it.
If you’re talking to me John S. I’m definitely starting to get it, thanks.
Oh brother.
Judgments about mental capacity and logic by rukidding, who thinks that his opinions that conservatives are idiots are facts. And who identifies liberals and self-avowed socialists as the “conservatives” he respects as “real” conservatives. I am familiar with the game of people like you; it’s so easy to say, “No, I don’t think all conservatives are racits,” but in practice you call any actual conservative a racist. You aren’t fooling me. I could outreason you in my sleep and have done enough here to prove it. So take your “mental midget” nonsense and stuff it.
Imsinca,
I think you play the victim here and engage in the very “unfair” debate tactics you accuse others of using, and you flip flop, too. A while ago, you ripped Scott for using your “own words” against you. Now you rip me for comparing your attitude to that of other liberals, imply that I have a sexist attitude because of it, AND you say you try to debate me based on my own words.
It seems to me that you just repeat a pattern of positioning yourself as a reasonable person who just wants an honest debate, but then you start playing victim and invoking arbitrary rules of etiquette to dismiss people like me as irrational. Apparently, it doesn’t matter what approach anyone uses with you. Unless they agree with you, they are unfair and irrational.