Poll Suggests Virginia Gov Race Not A Referendum On Obama At All
There’s been a fair amount of punditry of late to the effect that the Virginia governor’s race is shaping up as a big referendum on Obama’s presidency. If GOPer Bob McDonnell wins, lots of people in DC will be eager to claim that Obama is one of the race’s Biggest Losers.
But the internals of the new Washington Post poll in Virginia suggest that Obama may not really be an important factor at all. It finds:
* Seventy percent of likely voters say Obama is “not a factor” in ther choice. Only 15% say opposition to Obama is a factor, while 14%, say support for him is a factor.
* Seventy one percent say it makes “no difference” if the governor is from the same political party as the president. More people say it’s good to have a governor from the same party, 16%-13%.
* Obama’s approval rating in Virginia is 54%, in line with many national polls.
McDonnell is leading in this poll by 11 points, and if he wins, there will be a dull roar of commentary about what this means for Obama and his presidency. Obama has inserted himself into the race, and perhaps he’s more of an influence than these numbers suggest. Still, it’s unclear how you square these numbers with the notion that Obama is a major factor in any way.
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Awww, Greg. Don’t spoil all the fun the villagers will have delcaring Obama’s Presidency over, with facts and logic.
What in the world are you thinking?
Creigh Deeds didn’t show up to win, and (as his shoot down of the PO showed just last week) he doesn’t know where is base is at. Talking about transportation may be a good, neutral topic but it does not inflame the hearts of your supporters.
“McDonnell is leading in this poll by 11 points, and if he wins, there will be a dull roar of commentary about what this means for Obama and his presidency.”
Greg…perhaps a dull roar in the MSM…but they’ll be pounding it to death on Fauz News…Limbaugh will certainly run with it…although he apparently doesn’t need any REAL news to fuel his hateful fans…he can always go to any satirical website and pick up whatever and present it as truth.
Deeds is screwed if he continues to act stupidly like a wannabe repub like he is doing on PO, climate control etc. Why would VAians choose him over “real mccoy mcdonnell” ?
And yes, the media would be on a 24/7 disgusting chant of Obama is doomed if Deeds loses, never mind the facts.
And race which is won by a Republican/conservative will be, ipso facto, a deeply negative referendum on Obama’s moves to rebuild America according to Marxist principles.
Any race which is won by a Democrat/liberal will be, ipso facto, a deeply negative referendum on Obama’s moves to rebuild America according to fascist principles but which has been fraudently thwarted by Acorn.
Wayyyyy OT, but what the heck… from Haaretz today..
“The pro-Israel lobby J Street kicked off its first national conference on Sunday with more than 1,500 guests at the Grand Hyatt Hotel in Washington, D.C. Despite controversy and tension surrounding the convention, organizers said the attendance exceeded expectations.
Numerous peace activists, politicians, diplomats, lobbyists, male and female rabbis, political advisers, artists, students and journalists filled the halls. Participants who spilled out from over-crowded panel rooms sat in a circle on the lobby carpet, heatedly discussing the state of left-wing activists in Israel and the United States, religion and the new media.
“We couldn’t be more thrilled,” said J Street executive director Jeremy Ben-Ami. “The numbers of participants far exceeded our expectations – 148 congressmen supported the event, 250 students and reporters from 17 countries came. This is truly the birth of a movement. It demonstrates the vacuum and the desire to promote peace now, when it’s more urgent than ever… Our vision for peace is very clear – two states based on ‘67.”
Yes, indeed, the media has always been eager to take Obama down.
Obama has repeatedly said that his goal is to “remake” America and effect “fundamental change.” Upon what sort of principles is America to be remade?
It would clearly be nutty right-wing media partisanship to try to hang these off-year elections in NJ and Virginia around the President’s neck.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9975248/
Your point would be valid if this was 2005..
quarterhack
Just so we can get you on record here, are you saying right now that the Governors race in NJ is also going to be a referrendum on whether American’s agree with President Obama? A yes or no will suffice.
The point would be obvious if you removed your blinders.
stupininfla,
I am saying some folks here are paranoid conspiratorialists with selective — indeed monomaniacal — memories. What else would explain some of this tripe like Bernie’s?
By the by Creigh Deeds brought this all on himself. He listened to hacktackular pundits who keep saying this is a “center right” country and how President Obama was doing too much too fast and felt he had to try to run to the middle. The funny thing is McDonnell has d@mn near painted himself as more of a Democrat than Deeds.
Here is the metric people should keep in mind. Two Governors races had the Democrat behind by pretty good margins this spring/summer. One Governor ran to Obama setting up as many photo ops and campaign events as possible with the President and pretty much endorsed everything President has done so far or is trying to do. The other candidate for Governor tried to break with the President on several issues waited till very late in the game to try to set up some campaign events and tried to look as “centrist” ie “Republican” as humanly possible.
The results don’t lie.
And Deeds ain’t gonna get the turnout he needs to win that race by trying his best to look like Ben Nelson or Joe Lieberman. That should be a lesson for every Democrat running in the next two years. You won’t go wrong hugging President Obama, and that’s real.
So quarterhack is that a yes or a no?
The blinders are removed. Ok, its still a stupid argument.
stupidinfla,
That is a pathetic, result-driven “analysis” if ever one were constructed. The nature of political races is that they close toward the end. Not always, but usually. They are two different states with very different issues affecting the races. Your inane “analysis” has the Dem candidates’ polling moving opposite Obama’s. Makes a lot of sense — in topsy-turvy liberal fantasyland.
So quarterhack is that a yes or a no. And by the way quarterhack I gave that results based “analysis” weeks ago before Corzine ever moved in front of Christie in the polling.
But are you willing to say that the NJ race is a referendum on whether Americans like President Obama? Yes or no?
Drat and double drat…
“New CNN poll: 60% of Americans support cap-and-trade and only 37% oppose it.” http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/poll-big-majority-of-americans-support-cap-and-trade.php?ref=fpblg
Jax,
Logic only looks stupid to the illogical. But at least you are not alone here.
stupidinfla,
Your question is foolish.
quarterhack might have just taken home the trophy for unintentional irony lmaooooo
For me to be interested in a candidate and get out there on the streets the guy has to get my interest.
Deeds failed to get my interest from the start. Yeah, the negative campaigning was a turn off for me. He started that from the start.
But.
I still won’t vote for McDonnell. VA is the #1 place to have a business the last four years. We have fairly low unemployment. Very well paying jobs. Some of the nations best schools. This was all accomplished under Democratic leadership in the Governors house. Much of it had to do no doubt with Mark Warner. Kaine was fortunate to have benefited from Warner putting this state back together.
McDonnell will reap the benefit from the economy turning around since a sound system is already in place. My concern about McDonnell is he might cut back on school funding and he wants to do idiotic things like widen 66 inside the beltway which will never happen. He’s also claiming to want to get metro out to Dulles which is already being worked on.
The guys a dud.
But Deeds, he’s completely inspirational. And, why would I campaign for a guy that runs from the leader of the Democratic party and the President of the U.S. I mean heck, VA didn’t go blue because they were concerned about what Obama had to say. They liked what he had to say.
“And race which is won by a Republican/conservative will be, ipso facto, a deeply negative referendum on Obama’s moves to rebuild America according to Marxist principles.
Any race which is won by a Democrat/liberal will be, ipso facto, a deeply negative referendum on Obama’s moves to rebuild America according to fascist principles but which has been fraudently thwarted by Acorn.”
Bernie said it all. I don’t think there’s anything left to say.
QB, you can’t have it both ways here- either both VA and NJ are ‘referendums on Obama’ or neither of them are. There is no middle ground here.
“QB, you can’t have it both ways here”
You obviously don’t know QB very well.
QB, SBJ , and the other trolls remind me of trash talking losers in football who yelp and jump up and down in the middle of a game they are losing.
To all of you losers I simply say SCOREBOARD CHUMPS!!!
Who won the W.H? Which party has the majority in the Senate? Which party controls the House? Which party claims a whopping 20% of Americans in the latest polls? You got your butts handed to you and now all you can do is carp from the sidelines losers!
“To all of you losers I simply say SCOREBOARD CHUMPS!!”
rukidding – now THAT’S the way to be the majority – just like that.
rukidding is right.
I’d say they are trying to make up for a deficiency somewhere else.
Study Finds McCain Voters Lost Testosterone
Gingrich as RINO
“Palling Around With Liberals
Michelle Malkin imagines the administration Gingrich would have if he were president. “Picture the cabinet: Al Sharpton as education secretary. Scozzafava as labor secretary. Al Gore as global warming czar. Noooooo, thanks.” she says. According to Malkin, “the conservative base is wising up and pushing back,” and it won’t need Gingrich’s services to retake the party. “Constantly invoking Reagan isn’t going to erase the damage Gingrich has done to his brand over the years by wavering on core issues and teaming up with some of the Left’s biggest clowns.” http://www.theatlanticwire.com/opinions/view/opinion/Grassroots-Right-Rejects-Gingrich-2012-1398
This is really just a nanometer away from “we has seen the enemy and he is us”. And the intestine-ripping of self continues apace. For the eventual good of all.
I didn’t comment on whether VA and NJ are referenda on Obama. I commented about your collective paranoia and selective memories. And your double standards. But, I know, you guys neither read carefully nor think straight.
..then logic must look like a court jester to you QB.
” And the intestine-ripping of self continues apace. For the eventual good of all.”
Hara Kiri with a dull bamboo knife.
Andrew Sullivan links what is likely guaranteed to be the stupidest political video ever produced… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xopdhv-tcPM&feature=player_embedded
qb – congrats. You know yourself so well (@ 9:48 am) that you’re able to project yourself to others.
“rukidding – now THAT’S the way to be the majority – just like that.”
And yet Dems can’t stop crying about how the loser, powerless, rejected Republicans are thwarting them and ruining everything. I thought Dirty Harry was going to cry yesterday.
I find it pretty funny that not long ago I was being accused here of being overloaded with testosterone. Consistency, not a liberal trait.
tena- that marks the second try. The first involved a less intrusive two-step attempt (they aren’t a brave lot) using a toilet plunger.
wtf was that video. hah
amk,
Projection again? That all you got this morning? Wake up hung over in the pizza boxes again?
Jax,
Keep thinking about it. Someday you might figure it out.
Roger Ailes history of race baiting…
http://mediamatters.org/research/200910270001
“Ailes hit upon an idea for a substitute: “A good, mean, Wallaceite cab-driver. Wouldn’t that be great? Some guy to sit there and say, ‘Awright, Mac, what about these *******?’” Nixon then could abhor the uncivility of the words, while endorsing a “moderate” version of the opinion. Ailes walked up and down a nearby taxi stand until he found a cabbie who fit the bill. “
Missing word there is n*ggers.
This is pretty good from Salon. Diary of a ghostwriter.
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/sarah_palin/index.html?story=/mwt/feature/2009/10/25/secret_diary_sarah_palins_ghostwriter
Everybody see this?
Poll: Big Majority Of Americans Support Cap-And-Trade
A new CNN poll finds 60% of Americans supporting a cap-and-trade proposal to control carbon emissions, with only 37% against it. The pollster’s analysis says that independents are environmentally conscious, but Democrats would still have to work to mobilize those concerns: “Independents may not be red or blue, but they appear to be green. Earlier polls indicate that Independents believe in global warming and believe that the government can take steps to curtail the problem. But the environment is not a big priority for Independents, as it is with Democrats.”
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/27/cnn-poll-6-in-10-back-cap-and-trade/
“Cr@p and Tax” aka Cap and Trade supported by a SUPERMAJORITY of American public.
OT:
MSNBC currently shilling a protest against banks by something called National People’s Action, showing video with favorable, supportive commentary by Dylan Ratigan.
Yesterday it was being said here that Fox is non-news propoganda because it gave air to tea parties and town halls. It was asserted by folks here that legitimate “news” outlets like MSNBC “never” ever do such things — which was a ridiculous generalization and obviously untrue.
Here is the CNN poll question:
“Under a proposal called “cap and trade,” the federal government would limit the amount of greenhouse
gases that companies could produce in their factories or power plants. If companies exceeded those
limits, they would either pay a fine or pay money to other companies that produced smaller amounts of
greenhouse gases. Would you favor or oppose this proposal?”
The issue is presented as cost free to the public and an imposition only on “companies.” Big surprise. Give them some information about how much it will cost (a lot) for what actual benefit (nil) and see what they say.
qb, Fox did way way more than just air tea parties and town halls. MSNBC covered those “things” too. So did CNN. You are living in a delusional world of propaganda and lies. Every post you make is evidence of that.
qb, forget it. you’ll never be one of those bankers you adore & idolize….. despite what your ‘party’ sez. Listen to your stupidity. It sez otherwise.
“Give them some information about how much it will cost (a lot) for what actual benefit (nil) and see what they say.”
Hahahahahaha. Idiot.
More on the Gingrich fratricide… http://washingtonindependent.com/65261/conservatives-laugh-off-gingrich-presidential-dreams
This ought to make the heads of wingnuts here explode.
Obama to Boost Smart Grid with $3.4bn Grant
“President Barack Obama is expected to announce $3.4bn in government grants to help build a ‘smart’ electric grid to improve energy efficiency and save money on utility bills.
The grant marks the largest award made in a single day from the $787bn stimulus package approved by Congress, writes Reuters.
The move will also create tens of thousands of jobs while upgrading the US electric grid, according to administration officials.”
http://www.power-technology.com/news/news68123.html?WT.mc_id=DN_News&mxmroi=14002152/2286877/false
Read it and weep, you trolls.
Yeah amk, Smart Grid is one of those issues that is so smart and so needed that it is definitely going to make their heads explode. Nothing that good could possibly come from NOT destroying, burning, or drilling it.
Jobs, environment, national security, development and opportunity in rural areas, health, agriculture… the benefits of social and environmental sustainability are too numerous to list.
Ethan,
Proven wrong again, you’ve got nothing but more hot air. Outside this little far-left goldfish bowl, the are seen by everyone as the absurdities they are.
On the poll, I guess in your upside-down land polls are better when those polled aren’t given the relevant information. Totally consistent with your lunatic thought patterns.
It is very clear that the reason why the Democrat is going to lose the race for Gov. in Virginia is: Because President Obama did not get the Olympic Games for Chicago in 2016. No, wait a moment; The real reason why the Democrat is losing is because President Obama was awarded The Nobel Peace Prize.
On the other hand; it is very clear that the main reason that The Republican is going to win in Virginia is: Because Rush Limbaugh was not allowed to become a minority partner in the purchase of an NFL Football team. Did I hear someone say: “The Ego Has Landed”?
“Proven wrong again, you’ve got nothing but more hot air. Outside this little far-left goldfish bowl, the are seen by everyone as the absurdities they are”
HAHAHA! “proven wrong”… “seen by everyone”…
Uh huh… Suuuure qb. Go ahead and prove me wrong. Whatever that means. Your case is so strong you didn’t even bother tell me what I’m wrong about! Nevermind the fact that we are talking about SCIENCE!
Hi-lar-i-ous.
On the poll. Yeah, >60% of people… they’re all wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. Why? Because they don’t agree with YOU. A fact-free delusional ideologue.
What a fool. What a total f-ing fool. Shill Baby Shill.
“The money will pay for about 18 million smart meters to help consumers manage energy use in their homes, 700 automated substations to make it faster for utilities to restore power knocked out by storms and 200,000 smart transformers that allow power companies to replace units before they fail, to avoid outages.”
Who could be opposed to that, except Neanderthals like Quarterbrain, The Sputtering Idiot!
From that piece I cited above
“The grant marks the largest award made in a single day from the $787bn stimulus package approved by Congress, writes Reuters.”
Love the way this Prez keeps pushing his agenda right under the nose of teabaggers, glendicks, limpites, palinites, fauxers and other such nutjobs, who are “blinded” (thank you, qb) by their inborn (or is it inbred) hatred for him.
” the are seen by everyone as the absurdities they are.”
I love the way the trolls talk for millions of Americans as if they can read their minds or something.
You make nothing but unsupported, broad, general statements that mean absoutely nuttin.
I watched a meeting early on in this administration with Chu, Gore, Salizar, Pickens and about 10 others regarding plans for the smart grid upgrades.
They’ve ironed out I believe some of the major drawbacks and standards they will have to put into place to begin the work of interconnecting modern energy plants to wind farms, solar farms and other alternate energy sources along with current ones with a system that will allow for more competitive sell back pricing that will allow individuals to create their own energy via solar, wind and what ever resources they have to sell back to the local energy providers.
It all sounds pretty interesting. I imagine some people who have the space will get pretty inventive to create their own energy.
One energy source I was hoping they would invest in heavily was using cow manure methane as an energy source. To set up a system at a dairy farm costs about one million dollars and they generate more than enough energy to run the farm.
Time are a changin’.
The following is an example of the Matalin electoral strategy I noted last week…
http://lonestartimes.com/2009/10/23/why-lefty-women-are-scared-stiff-of-right-wing-females/
ps…note the additional spin here of “alpha husbands”.
“to begin the work of interconnecting modern energy plants to wind farms, solar farms and other alternate energy sources”
Terminology-wise, that’s called Distributed Energy production.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_generation#Distributed_energy_resources
“One energy source I was hoping they would invest in heavily was using cow manure methane as an energy source”
That uses a process called Anaerobic Digestion… Take the organic matter, put it in a closed system, bacteria break down organic matter and produce methane. The methane can be burned to produce heat or turn a turbine to create electricity. Typically, livestock waste is put in open pools where the methane is released into the atmosphere and contaminants enter the water table. Anaerobic digestion is GREAT for farms and just as good for municipal waste. In both cases they mitigate an environmental problem while adding a whole new revenue stream for the farm or city/town. It’s really great stuff. People have been harvesting methane from animal waste pretty much since the domestication of livestock. Thousands of years….
Liz is her father’s daughter. She inherited his love of The Torture Game, and Instant War Powder: Just add Stupidity and swallow it all down. It is the drink that refreshes all Chicken Hawk Neo-Confederates.
She is: Dickette Cheney
“Poll Suggests Virginia Gov Race Not A Referendum On Obama At All”
How does one write this? ROTFLMAO?
But I suppose the New Jersey race IS a referendum?
Ethan,
Reminds me of the movie; Beyond Thunderdome.
They powered Barter Town with methane.
Didn’t you mean to put “at all” in italics too? I mean you really need to spoon feed these talking points to your followers. You people are going to be destroyed in the 2010 elections.
Greg,
This race may or may not be a referendum on Obama but the fact that the GOP will likely take all three state races by double-digits and grow its house of delegates margin by 4-8 votes is a pretty good referendum on what the voters of the Commonwealth think about democrat leadership. Let’s put it this way, I wouldn’t want to be a first-term democrat running for reelection in 2010 in a district that went for Bush in 2008.
Obama is hurting Deeds. He is running into a headwind.
60% support Cap and Trade, 37 against. 98% have no clue what it is.
Just a sign of things to come. 2010 will be the dems waterloo
Yeah already heard about that yesterday evening, anyway thanks for your post.
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