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		<title>By: alex farguson</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex farguson</dc:creator>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisParke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 15:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello. My name is Chris. I&#8217;m from USA. Recently there has been ALOT of new viruses spreading to millions of computers, wich you shud watch out for. </p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>indineads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: retired military</title>
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		<dc:creator>retired military</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 23:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SgwhiteinFL said in Comment number 1

&quot;If sites like fdl or kos start getting subsidized by the Democratic Party they may lose their credibility or the appearance that they can be objective.&quot;

Guy put down the dope.  I mean anyone that can put Kos and objective in the same sentence has brain damage.
Did you even write what you wrote?</description>
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<p>&#8220;If sites like fdl or kos start getting subsidized by the Democratic Party they may lose their credibility or the appearance that they can be objective.&#8221;</p>
<p>Guy put down the dope.  I mean anyone that can put Kos and objective in the same sentence has brain damage.<br />
Did you even write what you wrote?</p>
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		<title>By: Gaffe Prices</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaffe Prices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 20:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kos and Co, have built a nice little &#039;tower of babel&#039; to reach their own little cult of personalites, and the costs of the standard to which they have become accustomed, keeps getting higher and higher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kos and Co, have built a nice little &#8216;tower of babel&#8217; to reach their own little cult of personalites, and the costs of the standard to which they have become accustomed, keeps getting higher and higher.</p>
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		<title>By: wanderindiana</title>
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		<dc:creator>wanderindiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 05:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder whether or not liberal bloggers crying foul over the lack of reciprocity or interest by established organizations isn&#039;t part of a targeted response driven by &quot;the smart money&quot; that made these bloggers years ago, a response designed to shame the establishment into coalescing with the groups Andy Rappaport has already convinced to become part of the VLWC.

Or maybe these bloggers just want a bigger slice of the pie, maybe it&#039;s just that simple?

In July 2004, there was a great article by Matt Bai in the New York Times Magazine profiling Andy Rappaport. That one wealthy man, more than any other single individual, is responsible for the growth of the liberal/progressive/Democratic blogosphere. 

Markos Moulitsas responded to this article praised Rappaport&#039;s &quot;venture capitalist approach to political funding&quot; and also said &quot;the smart money has cast its lot outside the party hierarchy.&quot;

That sure as hell isn&#039;t how &quot;the smart money&quot; rolls today. Sure, they&#039;ve bankrolled the Lefty blogosphere, for the most part, but they cast plenty of their lot inside the DC and Democratic Party establishment.

I wouldn&#039;t call it a conspiracy, as Bai did in that article, but it&#039;s a real network, and there is real coordination of message, and there is definitely a source of money and power removed from the front lines driving that message.

At the same time, it hinges on the participation of the small donor and coordination of message and effort with those donors and their cohort -- the Netroots -- to push back against what is popularly known as the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy, as outlined in Rob Stein&#039;s now-legendary Powerpoint. 

A handful of A-through-Z-list bloggers drive thousands upon thousands of readers to become fact-checkers, e-mailers and noise makers. Together they have proven a worthy foe for long-established GOP powerhouse organizations like the Heritage Foundation, American Enterprise Institute, etc.

But do the average Netizens, the little guys and gals, know just how this whole thing came to be, how it works, and how little their opinions belong to themselves? I don&#039;t think so. 

Five years ago, the point man of the Lefty blogosphere was boldly saying this revolution was taking place from outside the Democratic Party. 

Between then and now, that message has been turned on its head, first with efforts to elect more Democrats, which became efforts to elect more and better Democrats, which of late has become a call to elect better Democrats. Since I joined Daily Kos right before the 2004 presidential election , the drive has been about changing the Democratic Party from within. 

The average blogger/activist has been through a bait and switch of a grand scale. A greater question is, &quot;Do they care, or should they care?&quot;

Now the &quot;big liberal bloggers&quot; are indeed biting back at the hands that feed them. Now would be a great time for those bloggers to examine their individual roles in this grand yet singular network. Do they really need that ad money to keep doing what they do? Would they be able to survive outside the system, without that extra money? To what extent are they driven by altruism? To what extent, Capitalism? Are they being tossed aside by the &quot;smart money&quot; that made them years ago for another strategy?

It&#039;s something else, what Rappaport built with the willing cooperation and participation of others and the not quite so willing but easily manipulated cooperation and participation of the masses. It&#039;s worked so well, it&#039;s scary to really confront how quickly it has evolved and shifted. 

If Rappaport et al still need them, they&#039;ll get their ads. If not, they&#039;ll be squeezed out, tossed aside, marginalized, take your pick. We might just be witnessing the pruning of overgrowth, or the finetuning of a machine, as the system is likely more mechanical than natural.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder whether or not liberal bloggers crying foul over the lack of reciprocity or interest by established organizations isn&#8217;t part of a targeted response driven by &#8220;the smart money&#8221; that made these bloggers years ago, a response designed to shame the establishment into coalescing with the groups Andy Rappaport has already convinced to become part of the VLWC.</p>
<p>Or maybe these bloggers just want a bigger slice of the pie, maybe it&#8217;s just that simple?</p>
<p>In July 2004, there was a great article by Matt Bai in the New York Times Magazine profiling Andy Rappaport. That one wealthy man, more than any other single individual, is responsible for the growth of the liberal/progressive/Democratic blogosphere. </p>
<p>Markos Moulitsas responded to this article praised Rappaport&#8217;s &#8220;venture capitalist approach to political funding&#8221; and also said &#8220;the smart money has cast its lot outside the party hierarchy.&#8221;</p>
<p>That sure as hell isn&#8217;t how &#8220;the smart money&#8221; rolls today. Sure, they&#8217;ve bankrolled the Lefty blogosphere, for the most part, but they cast plenty of their lot inside the DC and Democratic Party establishment.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t call it a conspiracy, as Bai did in that article, but it&#8217;s a real network, and there is real coordination of message, and there is definitely a source of money and power removed from the front lines driving that message.</p>
<p>At the same time, it hinges on the participation of the small donor and coordination of message and effort with those donors and their cohort &#8212; the Netroots &#8212; to push back against what is popularly known as the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy, as outlined in Rob Stein&#8217;s now-legendary Powerpoint. </p>
<p>A handful of A-through-Z-list bloggers drive thousands upon thousands of readers to become fact-checkers, e-mailers and noise makers. Together they have proven a worthy foe for long-established GOP powerhouse organizations like the Heritage Foundation, American Enterprise Institute, etc.</p>
<p>But do the average Netizens, the little guys and gals, know just how this whole thing came to be, how it works, and how little their opinions belong to themselves? I don&#8217;t think so. </p>
<p>Five years ago, the point man of the Lefty blogosphere was boldly saying this revolution was taking place from outside the Democratic Party. </p>
<p>Between then and now, that message has been turned on its head, first with efforts to elect more Democrats, which became efforts to elect more and better Democrats, which of late has become a call to elect better Democrats. Since I joined Daily Kos right before the 2004 presidential election , the drive has been about changing the Democratic Party from within. </p>
<p>The average blogger/activist has been through a bait and switch of a grand scale. A greater question is, &#8220;Do they care, or should they care?&#8221;</p>
<p>Now the &#8220;big liberal bloggers&#8221; are indeed biting back at the hands that feed them. Now would be a great time for those bloggers to examine their individual roles in this grand yet singular network. Do they really need that ad money to keep doing what they do? Would they be able to survive outside the system, without that extra money? To what extent are they driven by altruism? To what extent, Capitalism? Are they being tossed aside by the &#8220;smart money&#8221; that made them years ago for another strategy?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s something else, what Rappaport built with the willing cooperation and participation of others and the not quite so willing but easily manipulated cooperation and participation of the masses. It&#8217;s worked so well, it&#8217;s scary to really confront how quickly it has evolved and shifted. </p>
<p>If Rappaport et al still need them, they&#8217;ll get their ads. If not, they&#8217;ll be squeezed out, tossed aside, marginalized, take your pick. We might just be witnessing the pruning of overgrowth, or the finetuning of a machine, as the system is likely more mechanical than natural.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Bogan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Bogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 1 What Credibility ?</description>
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		<title>By: Joseph Zuccaro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Zuccaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far no one has mentioned the journalistic co-opted phrase &quot;separation of church and state&quot; meaning the business side (advertising) of publishing (and blogging) needs to be separate from the editorial side (journalism) of publishing.  

If you are going to look at your blogging like a business (seek advertising funds or subsidization), then you have to remember your objectivity will be perceived as nil.

Just because the NYT runs a positive article or editorial on hybrid vehicles, doesn&#039;t oblige the manufacturers of hybrid vehicles to advertise.  Likewise for bloggers, be they on the right or left, who should not expect that advertisers &quot;owe&quot; them patronage.

You need to run your blog like a publisher - if you want more &quot;advertorial&quot; than objective, then you should have the agreement in your hand before you publish a single word of praise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far no one has mentioned the journalistic co-opted phrase &#8220;separation of church and state&#8221; meaning the business side (advertising) of publishing (and blogging) needs to be separate from the editorial side (journalism) of publishing.  </p>
<p>If you are going to look at your blogging like a business (seek advertising funds or subsidization), then you have to remember your objectivity will be perceived as nil.</p>
<p>Just because the NYT runs a positive article or editorial on hybrid vehicles, doesn&#8217;t oblige the manufacturers of hybrid vehicles to advertise.  Likewise for bloggers, be they on the right or left, who should not expect that advertisers &#8220;owe&#8221; them patronage.</p>
<p>You need to run your blog like a publisher &#8211; if you want more &#8220;advertorial&#8221; than objective, then you should have the agreement in your hand before you publish a single word of praise.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this discussion has really riled up the 28 percenters*. I may have misread the piece but I got the impression that the people quoted were taking in terms of covering costs, not living in luxury. Maintaining a blog with hits in the 100,000s a day comes with a big operating cost. Unlike, for example,  signing  up on blogger, coming up with the a catchy title like say, Obama is a furriner who hates &#039;murrika, while never leaving your mothers basement. 

Saying that it wouldn&#039;t make much sense for these organizations to advertise to an already energized group but grants and the suchlike would definitely be a good way forward.

*28% = roughly
Palin supporters
Teabaggers
Glen Beck sympathisers
Rush fans</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this discussion has really riled up the 28 percenters*. I may have misread the piece but I got the impression that the people quoted were taking in terms of covering costs, not living in luxury. Maintaining a blog with hits in the 100,000s a day comes with a big operating cost. Unlike, for example,  signing  up on blogger, coming up with the a catchy title like say, Obama is a furriner who hates &#8216;murrika, while never leaving your mothers basement. </p>
<p>Saying that it wouldn&#8217;t make much sense for these organizations to advertise to an already energized group but grants and the suchlike would definitely be a good way forward.</p>
<p>*28% = roughly<br />
Palin supporters<br />
Teabaggers<br />
Glen Beck sympathisers<br />
Rush fans</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would you pay for something you already &quot;OWN&quot;.... LOL</description>
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		<title>By: Elspeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elspeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 02:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These bloggers need to remember that they have only themselves to blame.  If they wanted money, they should have gotten written contracts for ads. Then, at least, they&#039;d have something for all their trouble.  As it was, all they did was alienate a bunch of very good Democrats, and they actually have lost a lot of their credibility as well.  

Hey Kos, if you voluntarily bend over, you take the risk of getting screwed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These bloggers need to remember that they have only themselves to blame.  If they wanted money, they should have gotten written contracts for ads. Then, at least, they&#8217;d have something for all their trouble.  As it was, all they did was alienate a bunch of very good Democrats, and they actually have lost a lot of their credibility as well.  </p>
<p>Hey Kos, if you voluntarily bend over, you take the risk of getting screwed.</p>
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