Comments on: Major Anti-War Groups Staying Quiet About (Or Supporting) Obama’s Afghan Escalation

By: Heather

Heather — Wed, 06 May 2009 12:29:18 +0000

Seems a US air strike killed women and children in Afghan. How odd that if this happened during the Bush administration the media would tell us that Bush was a murderer.

So, I guess this means Obama is now also a murderer? It does not seem to me that liberals can have their cake and eat it too.

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By: Gregory

Gregory — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 03:35:42 +0000

Some of my friends and I are real leftists. Not the fauxLiberal Democrat Party type. Real leftists and real Liberals do not support US Imperialism in any way whatsoever. We always thought that Obama was a Trojan horse, a neocon in blackface, like Rice and Powell. We go to peace rallies and the fauxLiberals frown at us when we chant “9/11 was an inside job!”

By: StewartIII

StewartIII — Sun, 29 Mar 2009 04:09:57 +0000

Missing from Obama’s Afghan Escalation: Anti-War Groups Suddenly Say ‘No Comment’
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2009/03/28/missing-obamas-afghan-escalation-anti-war-groups-suddenly-say-no-comment

By: Broadsword

Broadsword — Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:48:09 +0000

“It’s another sign of the dramatic shifts in the political landscape…” Um, no it is not. The left did no, does not and never has based its ‘opposition to War’ on any principle except to oppose all those who are not them. They are a primitive tribe motivated only by loathing of the other tribe, nothing else! When out reasoned their common response is name calling and rock throwing. I’d wager the only ‘Wahr’ in which they’d support their own country would be if Canada invaded Madison, Wisconsin. Think I’m nuts? When the draft withered away in 1972, so did the ‘anti-Wahr’ crowds. And this is funny: ” Peace Action is comparing the escalation to Vietnam.” Vietnam in 1957? ‘64? ‘69? ‘72? ‘75? Or the flight of thousands and thousands of Vietnamese boat people from the charitable and peace loving communists?

By: mcciswrong

mcciswrong — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:18:13 +0000

As has been pointed out earlier:

MoveOn hosted an online petition against the Afghanistan war back when Bush was president.

TO: (your representatives)
FROM: (your name and email)
SUBJECT:
Justice, not Escalating Violence
__________

Dear Representative,

To combat terrorism, we must act in accordance with a high standard that does not disregard the lives of people in other countries. If we retaliate by bombing Kabul and kill people oppressed by the Taliban dictatorship who have no part in deciding whether terrorists are harbored, we become like the terrorists we oppose. We perpetuate the cycle of retribution and recruit more terrorists by creating martyrs.

(Your personal note)

Please do everything you can to counsel patience as we search for those responsible. Please ensure that our actions reflect the sanctity of human life everywhere. Thank you.

Sincerely,

(your name)
(your address)

Apparently now that Obama’s in office, it no longer matters if [w]e perpetuate the cycle of retribution and recruit more terrorists by creating martyrs.

By: mcc

mcc — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:58:06 +0000

Most of what now constitutes the “anti-war movement” wasn’t against the Afghan war on principle before the Iraq war started, was it? MoveOn, for example, never opposed the Afghan war. It doesn’t seem like that much of a surprise that these groups aren’t suddenly materializing opposition to it now.

By: Shad

Shad — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:41:35 +0000

MoveOn hosted an online petition against the Afghanistan war back when Bush was president.

TO: (your representatives)
FROM: (your name and email)
SUBJECT:
Justice, not Escalating Violence
__________

Dear Representative,

To combat terrorism, we must act in accordance with a high standard that does not disregard the lives of people in other countries. If we retaliate by bombing Kabul and kill people oppressed by the Taliban dictatorship who have no part in deciding whether terrorists are harbored, we become like the terrorists we oppose. We perpetuate the cycle of retribution and recruit more terrorists by creating martyrs.

(Your personal note)

Please do everything you can to counsel patience as we search for those responsible. Please ensure that our actions reflect the sanctity of human life everywhere. Thank you.

Sincerely,

(your name)
(your address)

Apparently now that Obama’s in office, it no longer matters if [w]e perpetuate the cycle of retribution and recruit more terrorists by creating martyrs.

By: Tom

Tom — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:02:37 +0000

Agreed, Greg. However, I’m not sure that you can call Peace Action a “major” anti-war group, you know what I mean. We to the very slightly left of center have always been plagued with fringe groups like Free Mumia and the adolescent Anarchists, just as the right has always been plagued by the Klan and the Militia groups. Would you call them, in a blaring headline “Major Pro-War Groups”? I doubt it. Peace Action isn’t a “Major” group. Maybe MoveOn would be considered “Major” but let’s see how they shake out on this.

By: Greg Sargent

Greg Sargent — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:51:47 +0000

interesting points, tom — I do think, though, that some officials at these groups are in some ways inclined against the current escalation, but for the reasons mentioned, don’t feel the need to say so yet…others, meanwhile, are agnostic or favor it, which is also interesting.

By: Tom

Tom — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:19:23 +0000

I think that Washington people misunderstand “groups” of people whom they so glibly call “anti-war.” Many of us were anti-IRAQ WAR. For reasons that should now be clear to almost any sentient being. The premise for the war was an outright lie. The Administration was so inept that they couldn’t be entrusted to conduct it competently. It was likely to become a quagmire. That, and, oh, it was likely to result in thousands upon thousands of needless deaths of innocent people. That doesn’t mean that these “groups” of people have been opposed to dismantling the capability of hostile jihadist groups to attack us on our own soil, through military means or whatever. We have always been concerned, I think, about the feckless lack of strategy in Afghanistan, but that doesn’t make a person “anti-war.” In that sense, the term is a pejorative, and not helpful.

By: kenyg

kenyg — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:01:33 +0000

It is good to see the President going with what works. The surge worked in Iraq – the war there was essentially over last summer & the status of forces agreement is testament to it.

In the Afghan theater – his surge up is a start. But his thinking about finishing up in 2010 or 11… He’s going to need a lot more troops than he is sending there now. He needs double, maybe even more. I predict come ‘10 – they will be back asking for more. I hope it doesn’t become his undoing.

Get ready – this is going to be the long one. The trouble is, it’s nothing new to the afghans. You have to change the mindset. They know that we’ll leave, sooner or later. The Brits left, the Soviets left. Our military is the best on the planet, and won an outstanding victory in Iraq, they can do this too.

By: sgwhiteinfla

sgwhiteinfla — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:44:22 +0000

Oh by the way John, you might want to take a look at some of the things MoveOn has said about President Obama not getting the troops out of Iraq faster and also continuing to block information on enemy detainees getting tortured. President Obama will get criticized on real issues more by the left than he will the right because conservatives excuse any and everything that Republicans do while people on the left criticise Dems as much as they do Republicans when they screw up. Maybe just maybe had some Republicans actually criticized Bush over the last 8 years instead of calling everyone who questioned him a traitor, you would have some credibility on the issue. But since you didn’t then obviously you don’t. Deal with it.

By: sgwhiteinfla

sgwhiteinfla — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:40:12 +0000

John
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Keep trying dude. Some where the world’s tinyest violin is playiing just for you.